The Pakistan Army and Iran: A new dawn or a message for the Saudis?

[wiseone2]

Care to explain why is that? Are you guys sending money from India to your expatriates?

On topic: We don't have to pick sides now, our national interests should be first priority. Personally i would make friends with states in same geographic location than states which are far away.

A lot of Indian expatriates do. a significant number do not. I am originally from India. I have sent very little money to India

The gulf states dont care about 2 million Pakistans or 3 million indians that work in their countries, all they want is people working for slave wages to build and man their buildings and stadiums. They can easily replace the Pakistanis/Indians with nepalis/bangladesh's/africans and from other high population and poverty stricken countries.

some folks think they are indispensable

 

[Vapnope]

A lot of Indian expatriates do. a significant number do not. I am originally from India. I have sent very little money to India

The point stands that ALL the people be it from Pakistan, US or India work for the money there and need money. SO the statement that Indians are not there for money like Pakistanis is a ridiculous statement.

 

[RoadRunner401]

there are 2 million pakistani workers in saudi arabia. the saudis can send a hard message

Yeah so why aren't they sending this hard message to India?

Your lazy friends have a choice of whom to hire. Pakistan needs those dollars more than India does.

Clearly!!!!

 

[AbuzarIlyas]

Iran historically did not support Ottomans, Pakistan's foreign policy sect wise, will be based on the Ottoman lines. We need a good neighbor but we should consider one thing that the behaviors of states should be kept in mind rather than the behavior of heads of states. Turkey was not Erdogan and will not be, same formula for Iranians, they were different before revolution, after revolution and now again changing the colors, MBS also changing colors of KSA...... Pakistan should keep all these things in mind. We should build our own perspective, prove that narrative and persuade the world to follow that point of view instead of falling into the laps off US, UK, Russia, Saudia or Iran.

This is what sovereign states do!

 

[wiseone2]

Yeah so why aren't they sending this hard message to India?

for starters ...

India is order of magnitude bigger than Pakistan.
the impact on Indian economy is much smaller.
India has not gotten handouts in the past

The point stands that ALL the people be it from Pakistan, US or India work for the money there and need money. SO the statement that Indians are not there for money like Pakistanis is a ridiculous statement.

I work for money and need money. I have sent little money back to India. If all expatriates were like me
India and Pakistan would not get much money

 

[RoadRunner401]

for starters ...

India is order of magnitude bigger than Pakistan.
the impact on Indian economy is much smaller.
India has not gotten handouts in the past

Stop embarrassing yourself!! and stay out of Topics that have nothing to do with you.

 

[Maarkhoor]

The Pakistan Army has been drawing closer to Iran under its new chief General Qamar Bajwa. Is Pakistan moving out from under Saudi Arabia's orbit?
Last week something quite remarkable happened with regards to Pakistan’s defence diplomacy –Pakistan’s Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Qamar Javed Bajwa made an official trip to Iran. It was the first visit by a Pakistani army chief in almost three decades.

General Pervez Musharraf visited but not in his capacity as head of the armed forces, but rather as a president attending a regional summit. Similarly, General Raheel Sharif visited in January 2016 but it was just for a couple of hours on a whistle-stop tour to calm tensions between Saudi Arabia and Iran.

It was within the context of the last visit in early 2016 as a “messenger-in-chief” for the Saudis that the Pakistani army chief has been commonly viewed in the bazaars of Tehran and the chai khanas (tea houses) of Khuzestan. Now, that very same General is in command of the newly formed Saudi-led and paid for "Islamic NATO", a counter-terror alliance of 42 Muslim countries.

The appointment of a Pakistani General to lead the Saudi monarchy's pet project was seen as a blunt message to Iran; that Pakistan stands on the side of Saudi Arabia and that Iran’s strategic partnership with India in Afghanistan and Central Asia is not acceptable to Pakistan.

Against this background, the recent three day visit to Iran by General Bajwa is important: is he going as an emissary of Saudi Arabia to deliver a message, or is it a change of posture towards Iran by the Pakistani security establishment?

The ebb and flow of Pak-Iran relations

There was a time during the Shah of Iran’s reign that Pakistan and Iran were the best of friends, indeed the Shah even threatened to attack India if it went beyond its remit when it came to attacking East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) in 1971. The Shah along with Jordan and Syria were the only countries from the Islamic world that actually helped Pakistan with military hardware, intelligence and logistics.

Furthermore, Balochistan, which has seen numerous insurgencies sponsored by India and Afghanistan, was at one time a sore point for Tehran. Iranian jets and military helicopters used to be based in Pakistan whilst hunting Baloch and Afghan insurgents on both sides of the Iran–Pakistan border. All of this is described in some detail in the lucid account by the Shah’s chief courtier, Assadollah Alam.

In the 1980s, Pakistan played a key role in ending the Iraq-Iran war, and former Iranian President Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani mentioned it in his memoirs that along with Syria, Pakistan played a key role as an arbitrator between the Saudi-backed coalition led by Saddam Hussein, and Tehran.

However, the 1990s saw a sharp decline in relations between Pakistan and Iran. This was primarily due to the Pakistan-backed Taliban taking control of 90 percent of Afghanistan, and the targeting of Shias that put Pakistan in the spotlight. The situation almost came to an all-out war in 1998 when the Taliban killed Iranian diplomats in Northern Afghanistan.

The 1990s and early 2000s also saw Saudi-funded groups peaking in their power and strength in Pakistan, culminating in multiple bombings and targeting of Shia mosques and prominent Shia figures. The Iranian consulate was attacked twice in Peshawar and a senior diplomat was also kidnapped from the same city in 2009. Iranian anger was directed at Saudi-funded groups but also pointed squarely at Islamabad – the accusation was the Pakistan was not doing enough to either protect Iranian diplomats in its country or stop the killings of Shia.

Furthermore, Pakistan’s drift towards Saudi Arabia has become the defining factor in Pakistan’s foreign policy from the 1980s through to the American-led “War on Terror”.

Pakistan was also accused of supporting the Saudi-led war on Bahrain’s Shiamajority, ruled by the Saudi-backed House of Khalifa. The Pakistanis also allegedly had a hand in training and arming Syrian rebels at the behest of the Saudis. The Iranians on the other hand have also recruited Shia militants from Afghanistan to fight in Syria, which once again landed Pakistan and Iran on opposite sides of a charged conflict.

Of course this mistrust was a two-way street: the Pakistanis had not been comfortable with the Iranian-Indian alliance in Afghanistan which was seen as a direct attempt to undermine both Balochistan and the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province in Pakistan. The alliance with India over the port of Chahbahar (by passing Pakistan) is also seen by Pakistan as a threat to its own port of Gwadar.

The killing of the Taliban leader Mullah Mansour in 2016 near the Iran border was viewed suspiciously by the Pakistani military, given that Mansour had just crossed the border from Iran into Pakistan when he was killed by a drone strike. The allegation was made by Pakistan that Iran and the US had colluded in making Pakistan the fall guy again when in actual fact the Taliban was now also being supported fully by Tehran.

Another key sticking point between Iran and Pakistan has indeed been the Balochistan border which is rife with drug smugglers, Baloch insurgents, and pseudo-Taliban militants.

In the last two years there has been more cross-border fire between the Pakistani military and Iranian forces than in the entire 68 years of the two country’s bilateral relations. A leading Iranian general even threatened to attack Pakistan if it continued to look the other way when it came to safeguarding the Iranian frontier and the Baloch issue in Iran.

Within the first year of the tenure of the new army chief, General Bajwa, things have changed dramatically; he has led from the front in calming the Iranian fears with regards to the Pakistan Army’s lead role in the Islamic military alliance headquartered in Riyadh. He met the Iranian Ambassador three times in his first six months in office and also encouraged Iran to join the Saudi-led alliance.

Iran has also now shown a positive attitude in joining Pakistan’s pet project, the China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC).

During the General Bajwa's historic visit to Tehran the border issue was discussed, and for the first time Pakistan has also won the support of Iran with regards to the Afghan war.

Additionally, Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei for the first time ever mentioned Kashmir in his sermons this year and equated the conflict to an injustice similar to Palestine. This was a remarkable change given Iran has over the last 20 years said that Kashmir was an “internal matter” for India. Now as Pakistan draws closer to Iran, it seems Tehran is willing to support Pakistan over Kashmir. This is a big win for Pakistan.

It is no surprise that the US and Saudi Arabia are not too happy with Pakistan moving closer to Iran. However, the Pakistan Army has made it clear to the Americans that it has no favourites – all its neighbours have to be in harmony with Islamabad for the region to prosper. Pakistan is also making it clear to Iran, that it is an equal partner in fighting terrorism in comparison to the Saudis. Iran has welcomed a more nuanced stance by Pakistan with regards to the power balance of the Middle East.

Indeed, for Pakistan’s own security, the Iranian-backed Shia militants in Syria and Iraq could return to battle Sunni militants, provoking the next Saudi-Iran proxy war for control in the Muslim world.

Pakistan has no choice but to balance the status quo in the Middle East even if it is a reluctant player in the messy wars of the Levant and the Persian Gulf.

Eventually, this visit could be seen as a watershed moment in Pakistan’s military diplomacy; when it saved itself from completely ostracizing Iran – something that could have deadly consequences given Iran’s involvement in Pakistan’s domestic politics and demographics.

This visit could have set the balance right for now – certainly Iran will take more time to trust Pakistan given the closeness of the Pakistani military to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

Disclaimer: The viewpoints expressed by the authors do not necessarily reflect the opinions, viewpoints and editorial policies of TRT World.

Nothing serious going to happen they just wanted to keep both parties KSA and Iran happy, Pakistan already sent troops to KSA which is not welcomed by Iranians even appointment of Gen Raheel Sharief irks the Iranian too much.

We needed to be done is came out of US pressure and for own good complete the gas pipeline project, this will boost confidence on both sides and will lead to further strengthening the relations.

 

[Wolfhunter]

Correct me if I am wrong, but just recently your former head of the military moved to Saudi to take up a major position in Counter Terrorism there, you have troops stationed there and are sending more. SA hates Iran and Iran has very chummy ties with India and Norther Region of Afghanistan which is anti Pakistani.

So how will this "new relationship" work out? Sounds like a love triangle gone horribly wrong if you ask me!

 

[Dinky]

Correct me if I am wrong, but just recently your former head of the military moved to Saudi to take up a major position in Counter Terrorism there, you have troops stationed there and are sending more. SA hates Iran and Iran has very chummy ties with India and Norther Region of Afghanistan which is anti Pakistani.

So how will this "new relationship" work out? Sounds like a love triangle gone horribly wrong if you ask me!

not really lol, every country has good relations with another country which has relations with a country that is not on good relations with the former country.

For example, Russia and Israel are great friends, yet Russia has good relations with Iran while Israel and Iran have bad relations. Also Israel is great friends of the United States while Russia has bad relations with the United States.
Pakistan and Iran always call each other brotherly countries yet Pakistan has had good relations with the United States which Iran is the enemies off. While at the Same time the US is good friends with India that Pakistan doenst like.
Azerbaijan and Iran has growing relations even tho Azerbaijan is good friends with Israel.

This is the same with all countries. Everyone is friends with someone that their other friends dont like.

 

[Wolfhunter]

not really lol, every country has good relations with another country which has relations with a country that is not on good relations with the former country.

For example, Russia and Israel are great friends, yet Russia has good relations with Iran while Israel and Iran have bad relations. Also Israel is great friends of the United States while Russia has bad relations with the United States.
Pakistan and Iran always call each other brotherly countries yet Pakistan has had good relations with the United States which Iran is the enemies off. While at the Same time the US is good friends with India that Pakistan doenst like.
Azerbaijan and Iran has growing relations even tho Azerbaijan is good friends with Israel.

This is the same with all countries. Everyone is friends with someone that their other friends dont like.

Not really because we all know that Iran and Saudi Arabia have a very bitter history:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?dcr...35i39k1j0i10k1j0i13k1j0i13i30k1.0.cocOPoJZhzs

Pakistan's position is very delicate:
http://time.com/4174835/pakistan-iran-saudi-arabia-sunni-shiite/

DW presented an excellent analysis:
http://www.dw.com/en/pakistan-on-collision-course-with-iran/a-38578700

‘Trade route linking Chabahar Port with Afghanistan a security threat’

 

[wiseone2]

Stop embarrassing yourself!! and stay out of Topics that have nothing to do with you.

the truth hurts

 

[Dinky]

Not really because we all know that Iran and Saudi Arabia have a very bitter history:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?dcr...35i39k1j0i10k1j0i13k1j0i13i30k1.0.cocOPoJZhzs

Pakistan's position is very delicate:
http://time.com/4174835/pakistan-iran-saudi-arabia-sunni-shiite/

DW presented an excellent analysis:
http://www.dw.com/en/pakistan-on-collision-course-with-iran/a-38578700

‘Trade route linking Chabahar Port with Afghanistan a security threat’

As I said, everyone is friends with someone who someone else doesnt like