The other Modis

[padamchen]

What do you suggest ?

All educated elite want economic reservation. Different models.

We had this discussion recently during a safety meeting. Top chancellors, professors, academia.

Give the father reservation. Then the son doesn't get it. Not ad infinitum. Otherwise no one is going to stand on their own feet. Ever.

Abolish caste based reservation completely.

 

[SrNair]

He may be stubborn or tough .But he isnt corrupt.
He dont need personal account because he wont have any successors .
And haters gonna hate ,but I can see the good intentions of our PM

 

[Robinhood Pandey]

Bhaijaan aap ki problem???

Bhaijan practicality pe dhyan de rahe hain

 

[Levina]

Bhaijan practicality pe dhyan de rahe hain

Reminds me of a Hindi idiom "buffaloes gone to water" ...ahem!
Hindi aur hariyanvi ka istamaal forum pe mana hai. Lol

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

I'm pro development.
Any non-corrupt leader who helps India rise will get my support.

Btw I heard Modi is not in a mood to abolish reservations for Sc/St. True?
I do hope all sorts of reservations are abolished and that ppl are selected only the basis of merit.

Those who abolish SC/ST is writing his own political death will. Never gonna happen in India. And I dont want that to happen too.
Just abolish reservation to govt officials of all castes beginning.

 

[ashok mourya]

Why only caste based reservation?
What about women's reservation,physically challenged,ex army,green card,sport quota,state quota,specific area quota etc etc.....no quota at all...all let all go as usual...I recommend abolishment of titles.. So that no one can none by caste no job by caste or marriage with in caste...on topic..MODI is a honest person ..just some baseless allegations against him

 

[Levina]

Just abolish reservation to govt officials of all castes beginning.

You think that will happen???
Most of the lower caste (high income group) eye the govt jobs.
Going by your statement that any politician who attempts to abolish reservation is shooting himself in the foot, I don't think Modi will look into it any time soon.

@padamchen and other Modi supporters here. Do you think Modi will do it?

 

[padamchen]

You think that will happen???
Most of the lower caste (high income group) eye the govt jobs.
Going by your statement that any politician who attempts to abolish reservation is shooting himself in the foot, I don't think Modi will look into it any time soon.

@padamchen and other Modi supporters here. Do you think Modi will do it?

Not in this term. Maybe not even in the next. For him to show any impact, he needs at least another term. There are only a little over two years left for this one. Too little time. Too much to do. Too much to undo. Castes will have to wait.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

You think that will happen???
Most of the lower caste (high income group) eye the govt jobs.
Going by your statement that any politician who attempts to abolish reservation is shooting himself in the foot, I don't think Modi will look into it any time soon.

@padamchen and other Modi supporters here. Do you think Modi will do it?

SC/ST are really disadvantaged. And think about tribals. Abolishing reservations on them will be the gravest injustice ever to their upliftment.

On the question of officials. Like Devyani who got embroiled in US. Her father too was an IAS. I see no reason for his daughter to have the benefit of reservation. Likewise the same for all govt "officer" cadres. I see gradual reduction in reservation based on education.
If a grandfather and father are bachelor degree holders, then their son must have no benefit. These things were not able to track earlier. But with digitalisation coming in, its easy to track and distinguish them from "original" beneficiaries. Cos I have seen what happened to kids whose fathers are rich but not educated. There is no guidance to them and end up in wrong sectors and future inspite of good scores.

India is full of OBC's. Abolishing it means BJP will be trounced to single or double digits in LS. And I see no consensus on it even if BJP rules till 2040.

 

[911]

I'm pro development.
Any non-corrupt leader who helps India rise will get my support.

Btw I heard Modi is not in a mood to abolish reservations for Sc/St. True?
I do hope all sorts of reservations are abolished and that ppl are selected only the basis of merit.

To level the field for the SC/ST the fairer solution is by providing them economic assistance rather than reservations. Reservations is not helping the actual poor, rather the privileged SC/STs who are already doing well. Its one of the main reasons why caste system even after abolition is existing. What reservation does is ideally over the years it makes sure that demographics of the different castes gets aligned in accordance with the reserved percentage even if one community does better than the other, and which is not good for the evolution. This problem can be solved if reservations are removed after each and every community is in equal terms, but when?

 

[G0dfather]

I'm pro development.

+1

What do you suggest ?

Fight against inequality requires a holistic approach of which the quota system is only small part. The condition of poor dalits, minorities, transgenders and other marginalised sections is far from satisfactory. While reservation is an effective tool for social mobility but it has also strengthened and instutionalised a caste based identity.

Dr. Ambedkar had himself said that reservation cannot be for an unlimited time but due to vested interests, no authority or organisation has been willing to judge the efficacy of reservation.

We need ethical governance and sound policies that are monitored periodically followed by adequate implementation.

The term backward section has also undergone change. Every section which is poor and unable to support itself is backward. In today's world it is not only an SC person who faces discrimination but also poor general person.

Granting reservation merely on the basis of a person's caste is not a correct method to increase inclusion of these backward sections.
There should be some provisions for a creamy layer in the case of SCs and STs.

Reserved category candidates should be provided with concessions such as age relaxation and increased number of attempts and even financial rebates but when it comes to competing in an examination he must be subject to only one cutoff level. By diluting cut off marks we are not only inducing complacency but also indirectly making India week.

 

[Levina]

SC/ST are really disadvantaged. And think about tribals. Abolishing reservations on them will be the gravest injustice ever to their upliftment.

While you're being fair to lower castes, you've completely ignored the fact that not everyone in the higher caste has the privilege to send their children for higher education. Reason being, they cant afford it.
One more thing, selection of candidates should always be on the basis of merit, special quotas would ensure that the sc/st candidates selected are not at par with general category. I'm not against them being provided financial assistance for education.

There should be some provisions for a creamy layer in the case of SCs and STs.

True.

To level the field for the SC/ST the fairer solution is by providing them economic assistance rather than reservations.

Yes this is what i was coming to. Financial assistance!
Now this should be limited to education only.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

While you're being fair to lower castes, you've completely ignored the fact that not everyone in the higher caste has the privilege to send their children for higher education. Reason being, they cant afford it.
One more thing, selection of candidates should always be on the basis of merit, special quotas would ensure that the sc/st candidates selected are not at par with general category. I'm not against them being provided financial assistance for education.


True.

Yes this is what i was coming to. Financial assistance!
Now this should be limited to education only.

And how do you propose to do that? Like waiving college fees for those? And for their marks if they dont get admission anywhere? Its all easy to say, but people from forest regions, rural backgrounds are always disadvantaged lot. They dont even have a basic computer lab to begin with. And is it fair to compete with kids from city and town bred schools?

I am being realistic. I am neither SC or ST, but among the countless OBC's in this country. If we are looking for a solution there should be something that is possible. If you become PM, will you have the power to abolish it? Your own party will ditch you for this. That's why I say, gradual reduction of quotas and increase in general category as more population gets educated.

As for higher castes not able to send kids to education, its for the state govt to ensure they receive financial assistance on to receive education or a small quota with accordance to their population. Hailing from TN, its impossible for higher caste here to get quota. But even BJP ruled states havent implemented anything like that to this day. Sadly