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The next Indo-Pak war: Opportunity for opportunists

pakistan are forcing it by sending terrorists to attack india, how is it always india fault?
Why to assume if cold start doctrine is implemented , nuclear weapons will be used. Idea of cold start is originated to fight short and intense war, inflicting pain and then pull back without threatening sovereignty
 
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pakistan are forcing it by sending terrorists to attack india, how is it always india fault?
Well India is doing it since ages then why Pakistan shouldn't have the same privilege ??
• we didn't threatened India of war in the last 10+ years instead of its support for terrorists against Pakistan through afg & meddling in Balochistan, India is an exception case here who always feel insecure & threatened..
 
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The title and the OP state this is about forces beyond India and Pakistan and focuses on Pakistani response to those threats. Since I started the thread, please show consideration and respect my advice.

Well with all due respect I was exactly pointing out that, I just wanted the response of Pakistan if you happen to use the Nukes and India don't use one in response. :)
 
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Well with all due respect I was exactly pointing out that, I just wanted the response of Pakistan if you happen to use the Nukes and India don't use one in response. :)

Last time: that scenario is not under discussion on this thread. Please start a new thread if you want to discuss that scenario.
 
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Pakistan makes nukes to protect itself from enemies.

Our part was axed from us in 1971, and we do not want to be in that position ever again. Nukes ensure that.
We will use only use nukes, if our existence is threatened in anyway.

:pakistan:
 
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Every single day there is a new theory about Pak-India war and Pak's nuclear weapons. This need to stop. There will no war b/w Pakistan and India in near future. Both rivals are progressing economically and they know a war will distrub this eco growth and FDI. They cant have war even if both countries have will to start one.
 
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Every single day there is a new theory about Pak-India war and Pak's nuclear weapons. This need to stop. There will no war b/w Pakistan and India in near future. Both rivals are progressing economically and they know a war will distrub this eco growth and FDI. They cant have war even if both countries have will to start one.

You fail to account for Indian delusions, fueled by unhindered supply of materiel, weapons, and support from 'bigger fish in the pond'. You are bemoaning daily new theories on the forum, but the reality is top Indian civil and military leaders are regularly voicing threatening messages. We have every right and reason to be discussing the topic at hand.

Pakistan makes nukes to protect itself from enemies.

Our part was axed from us in 1971, and we do not want to be in that position ever again. Nukes ensure that.
We will use only use nukes, if our existence is threatened in anyway.

:pakistan:

Sir, what if the very existence of our nukes is at stake?
 
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You fail to account for Indian delusions, fueled by unhindered supply of materiel, weapons, and support from 'bigger fish in the pond'. You are bemoaning daily new theories on the forum, but the reality is top Indian civil and military leaders are regularly voicing threatening messages. We have every right and reason to be discussing the topic at hand.



Sir, what if the very existence of our nukes is at stake?
May be they have elections ahead in any state or they dont want you to focus on real problems i.e Kashmir. This is a general tactic to disrupt the view of your opponenet; say one thing, act other. Or may be they want you to be happy and then lazy by giving such statements: "nuclear threats from Pakistan" but inside they are preparing theirselves for encounter. This is media warfare brother.
 
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Cold start doctrine is not aganist Pak people or your army. It is aganist terrorists.
But we are all terrorists here and so is our army so u must use it against all of us:taz:
 
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Pakistan's strategic doctrine is very limited in nature and does not cover the full spectrum of threats faced by us. I have said it many times here and elsewhere that we shouldn't be shy from naming our threats and than doing something to counter them. Not too long ago we were threaten to be bombed back to stone age, what did we do to counter that threat? We bent backwards. 16 years passed and not a single eye brow raised. What if tomorrow we are again threaten under any pretext or simply to give up nuclear weapons or get prepared to be bombed back to stone age. Would we still bend backwards and allow? India is an enemy there is no doubt but India does not possess the means to bomb Pakistan back to stone age, not without getting blown out in the process but this another country who also happens to be in bed with India possess a far greater threat to Pakistan and one we need to be prepared about whether it's economic front or military.
 
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Over the past decade or so, we have seen a sharp increase in Indian hostility towards Pakistan. Lately, this has reached the nadir of open, blatant, defamation on international fora based on fabrications, coupled with vitriolic rhetoric espoused by Indian civil and military leadership, as well as increased confrontation along the LoC. With General Bipin Rawat's recent statement on the 'Cold Start Doctrine', Pakistani defence analysts have felt the need to reinforce Pakistan's point of view.

So far, Pakistani doctrine has been contextualized within the dynamic of ongoing Pak-India relationship. But a doctrine is only useful if it considers and addresses all potential threats. What has been found lacking in the Pakistani response is a consideration of the international political environment. Here, we turn our focus on larger forces that could be involved in shaping Indian aggression.

The list of nations who have apprehensions about Pakistan is long and varied. But amongst many other grievances, the single most thorniest thorn in the delicate side of the 'comity of nations' is that of Pakistani nukes. And this discomfort extends beyond the usual jitters of non-proliferation doves. As such, many an international player would sleep sounder in a world where Pakistan has no nuclear weapons.

In this context, an Indo-Pak war provides the most convenient pretext for anti-Pakistan forces to target our nuclear infrastructure. Hence, in formulating its doctrine, Pakistan must address the threat posed by these international actors.

The actual doctrine will be formulated by the establishment, based on many insights available to them. Here, we propose a single update to the existing Pakistani doctrine: the use of nuclear weapons MUST be immediate and full-force at the very onset of hostilities. Given the multiple threats faced by Pakistan, the luxury to wait till conventional armaments run low is simply not available to us. Only through such rigid, apocalyptic posture can we guarantee peace and stability in South Asia. Si vis pacem, para bellum.

Bro we need to calm down ... lets acknowledge the fact currently on diplomatic front we are on loosing end ... do you want to be north korea who has done nothing but still has one of the worst perception or you want to be israel who is one of the worst but still manages its percption ...

Brother we dont need to tell india that we will use nuke if it comes to our survival as they already knew ... we need to highlight indian agression ... let make all the hue and cry on each and every such statement ... fault is with our gov ? Why the hell we did nit raised the issue of fake SirGKal strike to US and UN ? Why the hell there is not ingle statement from our foreign minister Aka PM ? Why the hell we did not highlight modi statement on bangladesh creation and balochistan ...

Study the strategies of our beloved prophet ... he started his campaign against quraish after having peace accord with other tribes ... then campaign against khyber started after peace accord with quraish .. campaign against iraq started only after conquering arab ...

The strategy you are announcing means we are declaring war with all the natios except few ... specially the west ...

If i happen to be tbe decision maker i would have focussed on three fronts ... positive diplomatic relations with all coutries including afghanistan ... and tit for tat relationship with india ...

Second most important area is internal security and harmony ... there is a strong need to prepare a conscensus among various factions of society ... be it linguistic ... be it demographic ... be it political ... be it religious ... work hard on minimizing the differences ... introduce subjects and topics on internal harmony in your school colleges and religious institutions ...

Third priority area is development of skills of people ... we need to work on people ... our people are very hard worker but need direction ... havent we seen under age kids working in mechanic shops overhauling engines of cars ... dont they have right to become engineer ?

If we are internally strong our enemies will get defeated automatically ... remeber by intro of nuclear weapons our defence is already guranateed to the level of mutually assured destructions ... so we need to mainatain a certain conventional defence ... however our real vulnerablity is from within ... through economic disastor .. bankkruptcy .. or civil war ... we have to address these fronts first ...

And the most important part is fighting on these front has to be from civilians and not from armed forces ... so lets join hand with armed forces and fight the war on the front assigned to us ...
 
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Then don't force Pakistan to use its weapons..I doubt you will be alive by that time to witness the interesting scenario,depends on where you live

I do not care. I want to see the war. I have become a Hindu Zihadi.
 
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