The most powerful Dynasty of 15th century India

[Samandri]

Betrayal by Muslim army in Vijayanagara army they began attacking from the bank causing chaos.Same thing happened in 3rd battle of panipat.The Rohilla muslim army betrayed and attacked Maratha army from back.

They were not Rohillas but Afghan component of Pindari mercenaries/raiders who were hired as irregular cavlary by marathas from central india. The Afghans of pindari who started attacking their own maratha unit in right flank, numbered only three thousands. Pindaris were permitted by marathas to loot and it shouldnt surprise you that those mercenaries turned against marathas when Abdali had upperhand and marathata's loss was immenant. For some reason wikipedia says that its Afghan prisoners from kunjpura who released themeselves and attacked maratha army for back. The fact is entire Rohilla garrison was slaughtered when kanjpura was captured, no prisoner was kept.
Pindaris had also jats and maratha members but predominantly they were pashtuns and most of their leaders were also pashtuns. The third anglo-maratha war is also called pindari war as it was waged by british to eliminate pindaris .

 

[Kabira]

Khiljis were most probably remnants of hepthalites with indo-iranian langauge, the ones in Afghanistan got pashtunized. All the contemperary sources mentioned them as distinct group from turks. Could be of turkic origin but Turks in 13th century refused to recognized them as such due to their Afghanization. (your total reliance on wikipedia , is big fault, not every senstence in wiki is backed up by a source. Or at least dont believe in each and every word like a Quran. I myself have created number of pages on wikipedia, cited with sources but with time people have added things to their heart content)

So Turkic and Tajiks converted Afghans to Islam?

 

[Samandri]

So Turkic and Tajiks converted Afghans to Islam?

Dont know about tajiks. The word tajik was coined by russians in central asia, for any non-turkic person. In history we have either Turks or persians in Afghanistan beside ethnic Afghans. Afghans around kabul and near ghazni and kandahar had already converted to islam and were part of the ghaznavid armies but the ones in Ghor and balochistan were converted by Mahmud ghaznavi, a turk. So the credit of complete conversion of Afghans goes to turks. Before this, a portion of afghan population had already converted to islam during arab conquest. Tajiks were muslim iranians who accampanied arab armies and settled in afghanistan. Those iranians got mixed with indegenous east iranian groups like bactarians and sogdians so thats why they are racially close to pashtuns , also an east iranian group.

 

[Kabira]

Dont know about tajiks. The word tajik was coined by russians in central asia, for any non-turkic person. In history we have either Turks or persians in Afghanistan beside ethnic Afghans. Afghans around kabul and near ghazni and kandahar had already converted to islam and were part of the ghaznavid armies but the ones in Ghor and balochistan were converted by Mahmud ghaznavi, a turk. So the credit of complete conversion of Afghans goes to turks. Before this, a portion of afghan population had already converted to islam during arab conquest. Tajiks were muslim iranians who accampanied arab armies and settled in afghanistan. Those iranians got mixed with indegenous east iranian groups like bactarians and sogdians so thats why they are racially close to pashtuns , also an east iranian group.

You mean Tajiks arrived from curret day Iran in to Afghanistan with arabs?

 

[Samandri]

You mean Tajiks arrived from curret day Iran in to Afghanistan with arabs?

Yes

 

[Kabira]

Yes

From genetic tests they appear indigenous to where they live. Very different from current day Iran population.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Babur actually mentioned Vijayanagar as the most powerful state in India.

The Deccan has produced some fine empires, and have successfully fought back many invaders.

From the Andras to the Marathas.

 

[Samandri]

From genetic tests they appear indigenous to where they live. Very different from current day Iran population.

Iran demgraphics changed alot after arab , turk and mongol conquests

 

[Kabira]

Iran demgraphics changed alot after arab , turk and mongol conquests

There is hardly any mongloid admixture in Iranis unlike Afghanistan after Mongols. And Iranis are again quite distinct from arabs genetically. All signs point to Tajiks being indigenous to Afghanistan long before arabs.

 

[Shark2]

Babur actually mentioned Vijayanagar as the most powerful state in India.

The Deccan has produced some fine empires, and have successfully fought back many invaders.

From the Andras to the Marathas.

Yes, this is true. But I wonder why other parts of South Asia like Afghanistan and Pakistan were so easily conquered by foreign invaders during ancient and medieval period.

 

[Samandri]

There is hardly any mongloid admixture in Iranis unlike Afghanistan after Mongols. And Iranis are again quite distinct from arabs genetically. All signs point to Tajiks being indigenous to Afghanistan long before arabs.

There is strong arab admixture in iranis and as i mentioned earlier, iranis got mixed with local bactrians and sogdians of afghanistan.

 

[Kabira]

There is strong arab admixture in iranis and as i mentioned earlier, iranis got mixed with local bactrians and sogdians of afghanistan.

Mixing always leave behind genetic traces, there is no evidence of Tajiks being anything but indigenous for thousands. And arab admixture in Iranis is Pakistani syed admixture like. Which mean hardly any.

 

[wolfschanzze]

They were not Rohillas but Afghan component of Pindari mercenaries/raiders who were hired as irregular cavlary by marathas from central india. The Afghans of pindari who started attacking their own maratha unit in right flank, numbered only three thousands. Pindaris were permitted by marathas to loot and it shouldnt surprise you that those mercenaries turned against marathas when Abdali had upperhand and marathata's loss was immenant. For some reason wikipedia says that its Afghan prisoners from kunjpura who released themeselves and attacked maratha army for back. The fact is entire Rohilla garrison was slaughtered when kanjpura was captured, no prisoner was kept.
Pindaris had also jats and maratha members but predominantly they were pashtuns and most of their leaders were also pashtuns. The third anglo-maratha war is also called pindari war as it was waged by british to eliminate pindaris .

History says they were rohilla axillaries spearmen who were at the back of Maratha army.When the cannon were slaughtering abdali cavalry.The cries of jihad made the rohillas attack from back ensuing in chaos.Till then the Marathas were winning.This changed the battle.Like tallikota battle same betrayal here.History was repeated as they didn't learn from it.

 

[wolfschanzze]

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Anywhere else it would be put down to muslim bravery courage and strategy


I cant just imagine hindu armies throwing a strop like a teenage girl demanding a restart to the battle because muslims didn't do exactly what the hindus armies wanted

Yeah betrayal which cost the war.The hindu army was winning when the treacherous nature of Muslim Army betrayed.That's not bravery or courage but backstabbing Taqiyya at its best you couldn't win in a 1vs1 battle you talk of bravery & courage hahaha. The hindu army would have won if they didnt give asylum and employed the Muslims in their army.That was a mistake and we shall see its never repeated. Moral of story was they shouldnt have trusted a Muslim army.

 

[wolfschanzze]

Yes, this is true. But I wonder why other parts of South Asia like Afghanistan and Pakistan were so easily conquered by foreign invaders during ancient and medieval period.

Because they were not united nor did they grasp the destruction & horror a barbarian Islamic army would do to Hindu armies who normally had war ethics and who never harmed civilian population. Most of North Indian kings were a disunited bunch they hardly have any alliances to quell invaders.South was more united as single unit.Vijayanagara Empire.They had a practice of selecting the best chiefs to lead territories.That ensured loyalty and unity as a bunch.