The most effective unarmed and knife fighting for Pakistan Army

[CriticalThought]

These skills are best learnt while growing up. We need a cultural transformation to be more of a warrior like nation.

 

[Samurai_assassin]

These skills are best learnt while growing up. We need a cultural transformation to be more of a warrior like nation.

Indeed, an example would be the Chechens and Dagestanis. At a young age they begin to train in wrestling, grappling, judo and kickboxing making them tough fighters.

 

[Samurai_assassin]

 

[django]

Usually such fields of warfare have more psychological impact than the actual field benefit. One such benefit is the increased confidence and sense of control that translates directly into much better performance in armed encounters

Agreed.

Polish friend of mine got certified for civilian rebreather dives to 50 m here is Australia. His instructor was some old salt special forces type. He says the knife was like an extension of his arm.

For spec ops etc Seals, knifes may well have more importance than say for a regular infantry man.Kudos

The godfather of MMA Bashir Ahmad has been going to Cherat lately. I hope SSGs are being trained under him. This 14th August Bashir will be posting videos of his training in Cherat as well.
P.S Bashir is Ex US military EOD who served in Iraq war.
@django @Kaptaan @Samurai_assassin @PAKISTANFOREVER

Ju-Jitsu may well have it's importance for close protection teams who wish to remove unfriendly civies away from the VIPs they are protecting,,,,, you do realise that training in Ju-Jitsu can cause a lot of injuries, injuries which could put a middle aged operator out for a long ,long time, I suspect they may get training in Brazilian Ju-Jitsu but it will certainly not be extensive and time consuming, non of the guys is going to end up a black belt in Brazilian Ju-jitsu.Kudos

 

[Samurai_assassin]

Agreed.


For spec ops etc Seals, knifes may well have more importance than say for a regular infantry man.Kudos


Ju-Jitsu may well have it's importance for close protection teams who wish to remove unfriendly civies away from the VIPs they are protecting,,,,, you do realise that training in Ju-Jitsu can cause a lot of injuries, injuries which could put a middle aged operator out for a long ,long time, I suspect they may get training in Brazilian Ju-Jitsu but it will certainly not be extensive and time consuming, non of the guys is going to end up a black belt in Brazilian Ju-jitsu.Kudos

Agreed.


For spec ops etc Seals, knifes may well have more importance than say for a regular infantry man.Kudos


Ju-Jitsu may well have it's importance for close protection teams who wish to remove unfriendly civies away from the VIPs they are protecting,,,,, you do realise that training in Ju-Jitsu can cause a lot of injuries, injuries which could put a middle aged operator out for a long ,long time, I suspect they may get training in Brazilian Ju-Jitsu but it will certainly not be extensive and time consuming, non of the guys is going to end up a black belt in Brazilian Ju-jitsu.Kudos

Sonething similar to US Marine Corps Martial Arts Programme a combination of several martial arts from Jujitsue, wrestling, boxing, Krav Maga, Pekiti Tersia

 

[django]

Sonething similar to US Marine Corps Martial Arts Programme a combination of several martial arts from Jujitsue, wrestling, boxing, Krav Maga, Pekiti Tersia

You do realise to have any sort of effectiveness to these arts requires a great deal of "time" and "sparring", time which could be better spent on improving sniping, shooting, first aid...field craft ie skills that are way, way more important, now let us get to the more important aspect of all this, sparring, if you do not do rigorous sparring you can never improve or implement the skills you have learned, and once you spar you will undoubtedly get all kinds of injuries, ie corneal abrasions which will affect your shooting, i could give more and more examples, sure their is some basic training to improve the confidence of the infantry man, but that is all it is, it simply is not worth the time and effort to turn your regular infantry man into a hand to hand combat killing machine, this is all a thing which has become popularised due to American action flicks, where well edited hand to hand action scenes thrill audiences.Kudos.

 

[Samurai_assassin]

You do realise to have any sort of effectiveness to these arts requires a great deal of "time" and "sparring", time which could be better spent on improving sniping, shooting, first aid...field craft ie skills that are way, way more important, now let us get to the more important aspect of all this, sparring, if you do not do rigorous sparring you can never improve or implement the skills you have learned, and once you spar you will undoubtedly get all kinds of injuries, ie corneal abrasions which will affect your shooting, i could give more and more examples, sure their is some basic training to improve the confidence of the infantry man, but that is all it is, it simply is not worth the time and effort to turn your regular infantry man into a hand to hand combat killing machine, this is all a thing which has become popularised due to American action flicks, where well edited hand to hand action scenes thrill audiences.Kudos.

You do realise to have any sort of effectiveness to these arts requires a great deal of "time" and "sparring", time which could be better spent on improving sniping, shooting, first aid...field craft ie skills that are way, way more important, now let us get to the more important aspect of all this, sparring, if you do not do rigorous sparring you can never improve or implement the skills you have learned, and once you spar you will undoubtedly get all kinds of injuries, ie corneal abrasions which will affect your shooting, i could give more and more examples, sure their is some basic training to improve the confidence of the infantry man, but that is all it is, it simply is not worth the time and effort to turn your regular infantry man into a hand to hand combat killing machine, this is all a thing which has become popularised due to American action flicks, where well edited hand to hand action scenes thrill audiences.Kudos.

As demonstrated in the Pak army video the army already teach their soldiers hand to hand combat skills. Injuries can also occure with the fitness assault course training. Yet Pakistan army puts high emphasis on personal physical fitness. like other armies Pakistan also puts emphasis on hand to hand combat skill. Again not for competition purpose but for survival. We can argue day and night but the army knows best and unarmed combat is on their list of making a modern soldier. Just like the annual fitness programmes it has inviting participants from several nations demonstrating intense cardio fitness. There have been several cases in recent time of British army recruits dying to to intense cardio training. There was one case aired on TV of an army recruit who was pushed beyond his limit during a militery march and marathon, the poor young man fell to the ground in severe pain and agony. He couldn't continue as his shins were shattered. Unfortunatly he failed in becoming a solider and was discharged from the army. It's not just martial arts regular fitness can also injure soldiers.

You do realise to have any sort of effectiveness to these arts requires a great deal of "time" and "sparring", time which could be better spent on improving sniping, shooting, first aid...field craft ie skills that are way, way more important, now let us get to the more important aspect of all this, sparring, if you do not do rigorous sparring you can never improve or implement the skills you have learned, and once you spar you will undoubtedly get all kinds of injuries, ie corneal abrasions which will affect your shooting, i could give more and more examples, sure their is some basic training to improve the confidence of the infantry man, but that is all it is, it simply is not worth the time and effort to turn your regular infantry man into a hand to hand combat killing machine, this is all a thing which has become popularised due to American action flicks, where well edited hand to hand action scenes thrill audiences.Kudos.

I enrolled on a short intense self defence course with a former Turkish police commando an expert in unarmed combat. It was intense but in a controlled environment. The few lessons i attended I learnt the basics of Muay Thai, Krav Maga and judo throws. None of it was for competition purpose or to gain a martial art belt or recognition. Just good old self defence and attacking methods.

 

[CriticalThought]

You do realise to have any sort of effectiveness to these arts requires a great deal of "time" and "sparring", time which could be better spent on improving sniping, shooting, first aid...field craft ie skills that are way, way more important, now let us get to the more important aspect of all this, sparring, if you do not do rigorous sparring you can never improve or implement the skills you have learned, and once you spar you will undoubtedly get all kinds of injuries, ie corneal abrasions which will affect your shooting, i could give more and more examples, sure their is some basic training to improve the confidence of the infantry man, but that is all it is, it simply is not worth the time and effort to turn your regular infantry man into a hand to hand combat killing machine, this is all a thing which has become popularised due to American action flicks, where well edited hand to hand action scenes thrill audiences.Kudos.

For army regulars, hand to hand would be minimal.

For special forces, maneuver such as snatching away guns, taking down guards, silent close kills, sneaking up on enemies will be drilled until they become second nature. You can call them field craft, but they fall in the category of hand to hand combat as well.

For agents that must infiltrate posing as civilians and don't have the luxury of carrying a firearm (e.g. they may need to go through a security checkpost unarmed), their hands are their biggest weapons. Everyday objects such as pens become weapons of murder in their hands. They must train for one on one and one on many scenarios and must be able to come out on top in them. They can't assume that their target would be completely clueless in combat. Here jujitsu and muay thai type techniques will be of help. If you have a sturdy body and are coached by a competent master, you can learn this stuff without severely damaging yourself.

 

[Vapnope]

Ju-Jitsu may well have it's importance for close protection teams who wish to remove unfriendly civies away from the VIPs they are protecting,,,,, you do realise that training in Ju-Jitsu can cause a lot of injuries, injuries which could put a middle aged operator out for a long ,long time, I suspect they may get training in Brazilian Ju-Jitsu but it will certainly not be extensive and time consuming, non of the guys is going to end up a black belt in Brazilian Ju-jitsu.Kudos

Bashir Ahmad teaches not only BJJ but kick boxing as well. He is MMA (mixed martial Arts) player.

 

[django]

As demonstrated in the Pak army video the army already teach their soldiers hand to hand combat skills. Injuries can also occure with the fitness assault course training. Yet Pakistan army puts high emphasis on personal physical fitness. like other armies Pakistan also puts emphasis on hand to hand combat skill. Again not for competition purpose but for survival. We can argue day and night but the army knows best and unarmed combat is on their list of making a modern soldier. Just like the annual fitness programmes it has inviting participants from several nations demonstrating intense cardio fitness. There have been several cases in recent time of British army recruits dying to to intense cardio training. There was one case aired on TV of an army recruit who was pushed beyond his limit during a militery march and marathon, the poor young man fell to the ground in severe pain and agony. He couldn't continue as his shins were shattered. Unfortunatly he failed in becoming a solider and was discharged from the army. It's not just martial arts regular fitness can also injure soldiers.


I enrolled on a short intense self defence course with a former Turkish police commando an expert in unarmed combat. It was intense but in a controlled environment. The few lessons i attended I learnt the basics of Muay Thai, Krav Maga and judo throws. None of it was for competition purpose or to gain a martial art belt or recognition. Just good old self defence and attacking methods.

Physical fitness is far more important than this self defence stuff, a soldier needs to have endurance and fortitude to operate effectively mentally and physically robust in a demanding environment, hence a great deal of effort is made to improve his fitness both physically and mentally.

For army regulars, hand to hand would be minimal.

For agents that must infiltrate posing as civilians and don't have the luxury of carrying a firearm (e.g. they may need to go through a security checkpost unarmed), their hands are their biggest weapons. Everyday objects such as pens become weapons of murder in their hands. They must train for one on one and one on many scenarios and must be able to come out on top in them. They can't assume that their target would be completely clueless in combat. Here jujitsu and muay thai type techniques will be of help. If you have a sturdy body and are coached by a competent master, you can learn this stuff without severely damaging yourself.

Agents who operate behind the lines will no doubt have more advanced hand to hand combat training than the infantry man as their role is chalk and cheese compared to the infantry man, heck these agents do not even have to be military folks........A competent master is important for improving ones technique however in order to implement the technique one has to participate in realistic and rigourous sparring (without which it is a waste of time) where folks get hurt all the time, having boxed for many years i can assure you eye injuries, wrist injuries are most common, both are essential for carrying out military duties.Kudos

 

[CriticalThought]

Physical fitness is far more important than this self defence stuff, a soldier needs to have endurance and fortitude to operate effectively mentally and physically robust in a demanding environment, hence a great deal of effort is made to improve his fitness both physically and mentally.


Agents who operate behind the lines will no doubt have more advanced hand to hand combat training than the infantry man as their role is chalk and cheese compared to the infantry man, heck these agents do not even have to be military folks........A competent master is important for improving ones technique however in order to implement the technique one has to participate in realistic and rigourous sparring (without which it is a waste of time) where folks get hurt all the time, having boxed for many years i can assure you eye injuries, wrist injuries are most common, both are essential for carrying out military duties.Kudos

Every soldier worth his salt carries an injury or two. Some even carry a bullet, stubbornly lodged deep in muscle tissue As long as its not a crippling injury, it makes you mentally strong. Hey, it's the army, its a risky profession! No risk, no reward

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Ssg is not wasting time on h2h combat for no reason.
What if a soldier is separated or runs out of ammunition.
A while back there was a story of a captain who got stuck behind enemy lines. On this very forum.
In such scenarios such skills are difference between lif and death.
Also do u think US armed forces is just wasting their time for nothing?????

This is ceremonial work in a real knife fight against a non compliant opponent, these techniques are meaningless, they are strictly for show/ceremony.Kudos

This is ceremonial work in a real knife fight against a non compliant opponent, these techniques are meaningless, they are strictly for show/ceremony.Kudos

 

[Samurai_assassin]

Ssg is not wasting time on h2h combat for no reason.
What if a soldier is separated or runs out of ammunition.
A while back there was a story of a captain who got stuck behind enemy lines. On this very forum.
In such scenarios such skills are difference between lif and death.
Also do u think US armed forces is just wasting their time for nothing?????

Exactly my point, when it's a life and death situation your last hope could be your knife or bare hands. War is war and there is no rule book. Anything to survive!