The Most Complicated Border in History: India/Bangladesh

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

I welcome Bangladeshi posters to give anymore background knowledge if possible


@halupridol The nasty border enclave situation seems to have originated from the Mughal-Koch wars...You know anymore of it?

@jamahir @Chhatrapati @yuba @magra @UDAYCAMPUS : Watch this nightmare

@Bilal9 @Atlas @UKBengali @mb444

 

[Varunastra]

Thank God this situation got resolved. Of little value to either country and only created problems for the inhabitants.
Gotta state never heard of this situation in Tripura, I guess majority would have been in West Bengal and Assam.
Got to know of this weird situation fairly recently from youtube

 

[KedarT]

Got to know of this weird situation fairly recently from youtube

I first heard of this problem on the 'Geography Now' channel.

 

[magra]

I welcome Bangladeshi posters to give anymore background knowledge if possible


@halupridol The nasty border enclave situation seems to have originated from the Mughal-Koch wars...You know anymore of it?

@jamahir @Chhatrapati @yuba @magra @UDAYCAMPUS : Watch this nightmare

@Bilal9 @Atlas @UKBengali @mb444

An already resolved issue. Don't know why you want to discuss now.

 

[KedarT]

I welcome Bangladeshi posters to give anymore background knowledge if possible


@halupridol The nasty border enclave situation seems to have originated from the Mughal-Koch wars...You know anymore of it?

@jamahir @Chhatrapati @yuba @magra @UDAYCAMPUS : Watch this nightmare

@Bilal9 @Atlas @UKBengali @mb444

Oddly, this seems to have been resolved under BJP in 2015.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Good thing it was settled, there was no point in keeping enclaves and exclaves like these.

 

[jamahir]

I welcome Bangladeshi posters to give anymore background knowledge if possible


@halupridol The nasty border enclave situation seems to have originated from the Mughal-Koch wars...You know anymore of it?

@jamahir @Chhatrapati @yuba @magra @UDAYCAMPUS : Watch this nightmare

@Bilal9 @Atlas @UKBengali @mb444

Like the narrator said, it is a nonsense. Nationalism is unnecessarily complicated.

 

[Michael Corleone]

Real life lore amazing YouTube channel. Watched it. Those gambling kings can burn in hell

 

[Anubis]

Oddly, this seems to have been resolved under BJP in 2015.

This gave us some hope that teesta would also be resolved under a BJP gov in WB...but Didi seems to be much more popular than what West Bengalis online lead us to believe.
#MaybeNextTime
#AbkiBarModiSarker

Real life lore amazing YouTube channel. Watched it. Those gambling kings can burn in hell

I doubt the kings ever thought their one night of drunken poker game would determine international borders.

 

[bluesky]

I welcome Bangladeshi posters to give anymore background knowledge if possible

@halupridol The nasty border enclave situation seems to have originated from the Mughal-Koch wars...You know anymore of it?

During a period between about 1576 CE to 1605 CE, the Delhi Mughal power waged a 30-year long war against its Pathan foes who settled in Bengal/Bihar after their defeat in the 1st Battle of Panipat in 1526 CE.

The Raja of Koochbehar took the opportunity during this long war and sent his troops to occupy lands in its south and advanced towards Bogra after occupying Greater Rangpur and Dinajpur districts.

Sultan Daud Khan Karrani (son of Taj Khan Karrani) of Bengal was already killed by the Mughal troops somewhere near Subarnarekha river in Orissa in 1576 after which Bengal had no central power to offset the Mughal advance. It became a loose confederation ruled by multiple Dukes.

The advances made by the Kuchbehar troops alarmed Lord Isa Khan Afghan of Kotravu/Narayanganj. He led troops to the north to challenge Kuchbehar which was forced to vacate all the lands it had occupied.

A peace treaty was signed between the parties the map of which was yet to be finalized when intelligence reached Isa Khan that the Mogh/Arakanese pirates had entered the Padma river and were moving towards his Capital Kotravu.

So, he rushed back to his Capital without finalizing the map. This is how the map remained a very unnatural and complicated one before a BD-India agreement was signed. BD land was inside India and an Indian land within it, and vice versa.

The commentator picked the gambling stories circulating among the border locals who know nothing about the historical background.

* For details please read the following History book:

GOUR KAHINI গৌড় কাহিনী
by GHOSH, SHAILENDRA KUMAR

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

During a period between about 1576 CE to 1605 CE, the Delhi Mughal power waged a 30-year long war against its Pathan foes who settled in Bengal/Bihar after their defeat in the 1st Battle of Panipat in 1526 CE.

The Raja of Koochbehar took the opportunity during this long war and sent his troops to occupy lands in its south and advanced towards Bogra after occupying Greater Rangpur and Dinajpur districts.

Sultan Daud Khan Karrani (son of Taj Khan Karrani) of Bengal was already killed by the Mughal troops somewhere near Subarnarekha river in Orissa in 1576 after which Bengal had no central power to offset the Mughal advance. It became a loose confederation ruled by multiple Dukes.

The advances made by the Kuchbehar troops alarmed Lord Isa Khan Afghan of Kotravu/Narayanganj. He led troops to the north to challenge Kuchbehar which was forced to vacate all the lands it had occupied.

A peace treaty was signed between the parties the map of which was yet to be finalized when intelligence reached Isa Khan that the Mogh pirates had entered the Padma river and were moving towards his Capital Kotravu.

So, he rushed back to his Capital without finalizing the map. This is how the map remained a very unnatural and complicated one before a BD-India agreement was signed. BD land was inside India and a BD part is within it, and vice versa.

The commentator picked the gambling stories circulating among the border locals without any historical background.

* Please refer to read the details:

GOUR KAHINI গৌড় কাহিনী
by GHOSH, SHAILENDRA KUMAR

thank you so so much

 

[VikingRaider]

I welcome Bangladeshi posters to give anymore background knowledge if possible


@halupridol The nasty border enclave situation seems to have originated from the Mughal-Koch wars...You know anymore of it?

@jamahir @Chhatrapati @yuba @magra @UDAYCAMPUS : Watch this nightmare

@Bilal9 @Atlas @UKBengali @mb444

Well I knew that the enclave matters was quite disturbing; never observed before that it was like this. Never searched for the enclaves of Bangladesh that was inside India, neither searched for Indian enclaves that are inside Bangladesh. I am very bad map reader.

Thankfully it is solved now. And thank you dada for this video.

@Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8

 

[Anubis]

During a period between about 1576 CE to 1605 CE, the Delhi Mughal power waged a 30-year long war against its Pathan foes who settled in Bengal/Bihar after their defeat in the 1st Battle of Panipat in 1526 CE.

The Raja of Koochbehar took the opportunity during this long war and sent his troops to occupy lands in its south and advanced towards Bogra after occupying Greater Rangpur and Dinajpur districts.

Sultan Daud Khan Karrani (son of Taj Khan Karrani) of Bengal was already killed by the Mughal troops somewhere near Subarnarekha river in Orissa in 1576 after which Bengal had no central power to offset the Mughal advance. It became a loose confederation ruled by multiple Dukes.

The advances made by the Kuchbehar troops alarmed Lord Isa Khan Afghan of Kotravu/Narayanganj. He led troops to the north to challenge Kuchbehar which was forced to vacate all the lands it had occupied.

A peace treaty was signed between the parties the map of which was yet to be finalized when intelligence reached Isa Khan that the Mogh/Arakanese pirates had entered the Padma river and were moving towards his Capital Kotravu.

So, he rushed back to his Capital without finalizing the map. This is how the map remained a very unnatural and complicated one before a BD-India agreement was signed. BD land was inside India and an Indian land within it, and vice versa.

The commentator picked the gambling stories circulating among the border locals who know nothing about the historical background.

* For details please read the following History book:

GOUR KAHINI গৌড় কাহিনী
by GHOSH, SHAILENDRA KUMAR

Why is Isa Khan called Afghan??

Bhagirath, grandfather of Isa Khan, belonged to the Rajput community of the Bais clan. He came to Bengal from Ayodhya and took the job of Dewan under the Sultan of Bengal Ghiyasuddin Mahmud Shah (reigned 1533–1538). His son Kalidas Gazdani inherited the post after his death. Later, under the guidence of the Sufi saint Danishmand, Gazdani converted to Islam and took new name Sulaiman Khan.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isa_Khan

Danishmand himself was also a zamindar and Isa Khan married his daughter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibrahim_Danishmand

 

[bluesky]

Why is Isa Khan called Afghan??

Bhagirath, grandfather of Isa Khan, belonged to the Rajput community of the Bais clan. He came to Bengal from Ayodhya and took the job of Dewan under the Sultan of Bengal Ghiyasuddin Mahmud Shah (reigned 1533–1538). His son Kalidas Gazdani inherited the post after his death. Later, under the guidence of the Sufi saint Danishmand, Gazdani converted to Islam and took new name Sulaiman Khan.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isa_Khan

Danishmand himself was also a zamindar and Isa Khan married his daughter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibrahim_Danishmand

Yours is a very good informative post and you have asked a good question that when Isa Khan belonged to a Rajput clan, why he was called Afghan.

When Kalidas Gazdani converted to Muslim he named himself Sulaiman Khan and married a Muslim woman. Wikipedia says he married the Sultan's daughter Syeda Momena Khatun. But, Gaur Kahini says he married a woman named Fatema Khanam belonging to a Noble family of Bengal and was a descendent of an Afghan/Pathan family domiciled in Bengal like many others.

Could it be that Sulaiman had two wives and it was Fatema Khanam who gave birth to Isa Khan and not Syeda Momena Khatun? Please note that in his memoir "Tujukh", Emperor Jahangir called him "Isa Khan Afghan" because his mother's side descended from an Afghan lineage.

Please note also that Kalidas/Sulaiman's marriage to the daughter of the Sultan Mahmud Shah may or may not be correct. I have read in an old historical account that Sher Shah Suri, after taking over Delhi from Humayun in 1939, divided Bengal into many parts in order to keep it weak, but he appointed a kind of a Governor (something like Qazi Fazilat) over them who himself was the son-in-law of a Bengal Sultan. I do not know if he married another daughter of Sultan Mahmud Shah or it was actually Momena Khatun.

Anyway, Isa Khan was called "Isa Khan Afghan" by the Mughal Emperor Jahangir. I am just following this.

** I have found in the links you have sent about Fatima Khanam that she was the daughter of Syed Ibrahim Danishmand. But, his family was from Central Asia/Persia/Afghanistan and belonged to the Afghan camp of Bengal.

Note that Isa Khan was the leader of the Afghan resistance group in Bengal. So, Jahangir called him Afghan. It may be both from his mother's family and because he was the group leader.

It was not actually twelve Lords/Chieftains that we say. I have found about twenty names that also include Raja Pratapadittya of Jessore, Raja Chand Roy/Kedar Roy of Bakerganj, and Raja Mukunda Dev Roy of Faridpur. Others all belonged to the Pathan groups who domiciled here after the 1526 defeat in Panipat.

Please refer to Bahaistani Gaebi written by Mughal General Mirza Ispahani/Mirza Nathan.

 

[Anubis]

Yours is a very good informative post and you have asked a good question that when Isa Khan belonged to a Rajput clan, why he was called Afghan.

When Kalidas Gazdani converted to Muslim he named himself Sulaiman Khan and married a Muslim woman. Wikipedia says he married the Sultan's daughter Syeda Momena Khatun. But, Gaur Kahini says he married a woman named Fatema Khanam belonging to a Noble family of Bengal and was a descendent of an Afghan/Pathan family domiciled in Bengal like many others.

Could it be that Sulaiman had two wives and it was Fatema Khanam who gave birth to Isa Khan and not Syeda Momena Khatun? Please note that in his memoir "Tujukh", Emperor Jahangir called him "Isa Khan Afghan" because his mother's side descended from an Afghan lineage.

Please note also that Kalidas/Sulaiman's marriage to the daughter of the Sultan Mahmud Shah may or may not be correct. I have read in an old historical account that Sher Shah Suri, after taking over Delhi from Humayun in 1939, divided Bengal into many parts in order to keep it weak, but he appointed a kind of a Governor (something like Qazi Fazilat) over them who himself was the son-in-law of a Bengal Sultan. I do not know if he married another daughter of Sultan Mahmud Shah or it was actually Momena Khatun.

Anyway, Isa Khan was called "Isa Khan Afghan" by the Mughal Emperor Jahangir. I am just following this.

Its still a bit weird to refer to someone by their mother's lineage in a patrilineal society.