The Middle Income Trap awaits China

[Korean]

that their capital city for centuries was called the "City built by Han Chinese."

No, Hanyang meant the flatland next to Han River. You don't even have the name straight.

To the rest of Korea, Seoul was Chinatown.

That's news to us.

Korea is such a subservient people that they paid tribute to every Chinese dynasty since Song dynasty

Sure, Korea did engage in "tributary trade" financed by private merchants; give $100 worth of goods, get back $300~400 worth of goods in return. It was a very good deal and these merchants bribed for the rights to "pay tributes" and go home with a boatload of gold, silver, and silk.

In fact, Song Emperors complained about paying too much tribute and asked Koreans to stop paying tributes four times a year, just once a year would be enough, or once in every four years in times of war.

before they were totally conquered and brutalized by Japan

Losses suffered by Koreans is nothing compared to losses suffered by Chinese. I don't recall Japanese beheading sports contest against Koreans; only against Chinese.

Actually, the anti-Korea folks in China claim it was really Koreans in Japanese army who sacked Nanjing, and that Koreans were far worse than Japanese in treatment of Chinese.

and then brutalized again when Chinese and American forces fought a massive land war in their territory.

Well, we managed to kill about half of Chinese troops.

Korean War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Strength

ROK : 590,911
China : 926,000

KIA

ROK : 137,899
China : 400,000+ dead

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[HongWu]

No, Hanyang meant the flatland next to Han River. You don't even have the name straight.

Korea is "historically so anti-Chinese" that both your capital city and the river next to your capital city were named after Han Chinese! And you became so ashamed of that in recent years you had to change the name to remove the "Han" character.

Sure, Korea did engage in "tributary trade" financed by private merchants; give $100 worth of goods, get back $300~400 worth of goods in return. It was a very good deal and these merchants bribed for the rights to "pay tributes" and go home with a boatload of gold, silver, and silk.

Yeah, Korea was "historically so anti-Chinese" that it was a Chinese tributary for 1000 years.

Don't forget it was such a good deal because Korea didn't have to bother with foreign relations anymore..... its master took care of that

Losses suffered by Koreans is nothing compared to losses suffered by Chinese. I don't recall Japanese beheading sports contest against Koreans; only against Chinese.

LOL...... the vast majority of Japanese comfort women were Korean. In fact, it was so bad that Koreans today cut off their fingers in protest and anger at Japanese treatment of Koreans.

The brutality must have been unimaginable!!! Like Nanjing sustained for 50 years.

Actually, the anti-Korea folks in China claim it was really Koreans in Japanese army who sacked Nanjing, and that Koreans were far worse than Japanese in treatment of Chinese.

No war criminals that I heard of had Korean surnames. But I wouldn't be surprised if some of them were offspring from conquered Korean women. After all, Japanese were there for 50 years.

Well, we managed to kill about half of Chinese troops.

Yeah you managed to kill about half of Chinese troops while getting beaten so badly you lost Seoul.

 

[Vinod2070]

What is the origin of the Sino Korean love affair? Anyone?

 

[Korean]

Korea is "historically so anti-Chinese" that both your capital city and the river next to your capital city were named after Han Chinese!

It's not named after Han Chinese.

æ¼¢ - Wiktionary

漢 (radical 85 水+11, 14 strokes, cangjie input 水廿中人 (ETLO), four-corner 34134, composition ⿰氵⿱革&#22823
the River Han
the Chinese people, Chinese language
Han Dynasty
A surname
A man

漢 as used in this context is a unique name of a river.

And you became so ashamed of that in recent years you had to change the name to remove the "Han" character.

No, Han River is still written as 漢江.

Yeah, Korea was "historically so anti-Chinese" that it was a Chinese tributary for 1000 years.

It's less than 1000 years because China itself was under foreign rule for some 850 years since the birth of Jesus.

Don't forget it was such a good deal because Korea didn't have to bother with foreign relations anymore..... its master took care of that

Well, that's not the reply that the French heard from Qing court.

French Ambassador : "You promised the freedom of religion and religious missions within the Qing Empire. Then how come Josen executed French missionary priests against the Emperor's edict?"

Qing Court : "Josen is not a part of Qing Empire. Josen dynasty makes its own foreign policies and we have no control over it. If you have a problem with Koreans, take it to the Josen court yourselves. We are not responsible for what happens in Josen".

And the French did try to take the matter to Josen court directly themselves, which led to the war of 1866. And you have Americans doing the exact same thing a few years later.

the vast majority of Japanese comfort women were Korean.

Actually Chinese.

In fact, it was so bad that Koreans today cut off their fingers in protest and anger at Japanese treatment of Koreans.

Finger cut-off is a traditional way of showing one's determination and will.

No war criminals that I heard of had Korean surnames.

Shigenori T

Togo Shigenori(real name Pak Moo Duk) : The Foreign Minister of Imperial Japan during war time. So called A-Class war-criminal, except he wasn't an imperialist and actually tried to prevent the Pacific War and persuaded the Emperor to surrender when Tojo was willing to fight to the last man. So he was one of few who didn't deserve that A-class war-criminal.

Hong Sa-ik - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hong Sa Ik : The Lieutenant General of the Imperial Japanese Army. He was executed for the mistreatment of US POWs during the war in Southeast Asia.

There were a couple hundreds of Koreans charged with war-crimes of various level after the war.

Yeah you managed to kill about half of Chinese troops while getting beaten so badly you lost Seoul

Which was quickly taken back. Chinese losses were just terrible, like 100K dead or wounded in a single battle. But they kept coming and coming walking over the bodies of fallen Chinese soldiers.

 

[Aramsogo]

There is no means to deliver that nuke. It is safe and sound in its storage, to be seized by Futenma marines at the opening hours of the war.

You're trolling right?? No delivery method?? There's probably over 100 tunnels from NK to SK large enough to drive a T-90 through. Ask any US Marine stationed in SK.

I swear, you South Koreans have the biggest inferiority complex of any nation and it manifests itself through passive aggressiveness and your trolling. Luckily for my half-Korean kids, Chinese culture is just so dominant that they just find it easier to assume their Chinese identity most of the time. For example, there's no Korean "American Girl" doll with Hanbok but my daughter is perfectly happy with Ivy, the Chinese doll. And yes, there is nothing at all original in your culture or food. Without Confuscius and Jesus, South Koreans guys would be completely lost.

 

[Korean]

You're trolling right?? No delivery method??

The only viable delivery method is a bomber of some sort, which NK doesn't have. NK bomb weigh 5 tons and cannot fit onto a missile.

I swear, you South Koreans have the biggest inferiority complex of any nation

Superiority Complex, not Inferiority Complex.

Even that anti-Korea poster Hong Wu accuses Koreans of thinking that Koreans are masters of universe, having invented everything, etc. That's the sign of superiority.

Luckily for my half-Korean kids, Chinese culture is just so dominant that they just find it easier to assume their Chinese identity most of the time.

Care to invite your imaginary "half-Korean kids" here?

Your kids should educate actress Wang Ji Hyun to be proud of her Chinese heritage, instead of denying her Chineseness and claiming that she's 100% Korean(from 100% Taiwanese parents unfortunately). If someone as famous and powerful like Wang Ji Hyun cannot come out, then how can ordinary Chinese come out?

And yes, there is nothing at all original in your culture or food.

So Kimchi was invented in China now?
Bibimbap was invented in China too?

 

[rcrmj]

is she 100% natural or same as those 90% plastic koreans?

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and whats superior about S.Korean?

in the past its a tribute state of China and then ruled by Japan and now by U.S, dude africans gained total independance far earlier than your 'superior' S.K

 

[HongWu]

No, Han River is still written as 漢江.

They why are you so ashamed of the character Han in the former name of Seoul that you had to change it in 2005? Seoul has been written using the character Han for all of its history.

It's less than 1000 years because China itself was under foreign rule for some 850 years since the birth of Jesus.

Is this some kind of invented Korean arithmetic? Korea submitted to Song and Ming dynasties, which were both Han Chinese -- that's already 600-700 years. Korea also submitted to Qing dynasty, which started out as semi-barbarian Manchuria but became fully Sinocized by the end of WW2 if not earlier -- Qing dynasty adds another 250 years.

Well, that's not the reply that the French heard from Qing court.

French Ambassador : "You promised the freedom of religion and religious missions within the Qing Empire. Then how come Josen executed French missionary priests against the Emperor's edict?"

Qing Court : "Josen is not a part of Qing Empire. Josen dynasty makes its own foreign policies and we have no control over it. If you have a problem with Koreans, take it to the Josen court yourselves. We are not responsible for what happens in Josen".

And the French did try to take the matter to Josen court directly themselves, which led to the war of 1866. And you have Americans doing the exact same thing a few years later.

Huh? Koreans persecuting Christians in their own country is internal politics of the tributary state. Qing court has no control over it and the fact that Qing and France are even discussing this makes it obvious both sides regard Korea as a tributary to the Qing.

Besides, by 1866, Qing dynasty had lost the Opium Wars and lost control of its peripheral territories.

Actually Chinese.

Okay sure if you say so

Shigenori T

Togo Shigenori(real name Pak Moo Duk) : The Foreign Minister of Imperial Japan during war time. So called A-Class war-criminal, except he wasn't an imperialist and actually tried to prevent the Pacific War and persuaded the Emperor to surrender when Tojo was willing to fight to the last man. So he was one of few who didn't deserve that A-class war-criminal.

Do you even bother to read your sources? Wikipedia identifies him as a Japanese national whose ancestors came from Korea during the 16th century.

Which was quickly taken back. Chinese losses were just terrible, like 100K dead or wounded in a single battle. But they kept coming and coming walking over the bodies of fallen Chinese soldiers.

LOL sure if you say so....... your country was totally devastated, civilians brutalized and remains divided even today...... checkmate

Superiority Complex, not Inferiority Complex.

Even that anti-Korea poster Hong Wu accuses Koreans of thinking that Koreans are masters of universe, having invented everything, etc. That's the sign of superiority.

Oh okay your mental illness stems from being too superior because you're Korean

How about some plastic surgery? .... makes you even more superior! The superiorest!

 

[Korean]

They why are you so ashamed of the character Han in the former name of Seoul

The name Han-River has nothing to do with Han Chinese, it's just the name of River written in Idu(Burrowing the sound of a character to write down a local language), similar to how Chinese write "Obama" in Chinese character.

that you had to change it in 2005?

The name Hanyang wasn't being used locally for more than 100 years, only the local native naming of Seoul was used(Records by French missionaries in 19th century confirm Seoul was the name in everyday language).

Is this some kind of invented Korean arithmetic? Korea submitted to Song

Do you not really understand how weak Song dynasty was? Song was desperate to seek a military ally against Khitans for the most of its history, which was Koryo.

Ming dynasties, which were both Han Chinese -- that's already 600-700 years.

Just count Ming.

Korea also submitted to Qing dynasty

Who in turn left and sealed the peace treat by handing over half of eastern Manchuria, known as Kando, to Korea.

which started out as a semi-barbarian kingdom but became fully Sinocized by the end of WW2 -- Qing dynasty adds another 250 years.

China during Qing dynasty : Everything changed, including dress, hairdo, social customs, and even language. The punishment for resisting adoption of Manchu customs was death.

Korea during Qing dynasty : Nothing changed. People wore same dress, had same hairdo, same social custom, and same language.

Huh? Koreans persecuting Christians in their own country is internal politics of the tributary state.

Which is the confirmation that Qing Emperor's edict didn't extend to Korea. This is why French protested to Qing court; that the Qing court promised that Christian missionaries would be protected within Qing's territory but why were Christian missionaries being prosecuted in Korea. The Qing court's reply was that Korea wasn't the territory of Qing Empire and that the emperor's edict didn't extend to Korea, and that the French had to pursue its own foreign relations with Korea, there was nothing the Qing court could do. And the Qing court gave exact same explanation to Americans, who pursued their own war against Korea.

What more explanation do you need?

Qing court has no control over it

Then what sort of control did Qing court have if they had no control over Korea's foreign policies? Nothing.

and the fact that Qing and France are even discussing this makes it obvious both sides regard Korea as a tributary to the Qing.

And the Qing court kindly clarified that the French were confused, that Qing had no control over Korea's foreign policies so go talk to Koreans and sign treaties yourselves; there is nothing we can do for you.

The right to self-diplomacy is the sign of sovereignty of every independent state.

Do you even bother to read your sources? Wikipedia identifies him as a Japanese national whose ancestors came from Korea during the 16th century.

And his name was Pak Moo Duk, who only bought that Japanese name in order to take the public servant exam. And even today Japan's rightwingers blame him for Japan's surrender(Sort of like how Russians blamed the German Queen of Russia for why Russia kept losing to Germany during WW1), even though the reality is that Japan's surrender was inevitable and Pak was trying to save as many lives as possible through earliest surrender.

 

[Korean]

is she 100% natural

Who knows what kind of jobs she did. What I can tell you is that she looked pretty much the same since her teen-model years.

She plays the title character "Snow Flower" in the movie "Snow Flower and The Secret Fan".

http://www.koreaherald.com/national/Detail.jsp?newsMLId=20090416000077

Jun Ji-hyun is Chinese?

Sidus, actress Jun Ji-hyun`s management agency, denied a news report that Jun is a "hwagyo" and said it is considering to take legal action.

An internet media reported on Thursday that Jun was verified as a hwagyo (ethnic Chinese in Korea) during the prosecution`s recent investigation of her duplicated mobile phone scandal, quoting an unnamed official at the Seoul Central District Prosecutors` Office.

"We don`t know if he kept his Taiwanese nationality, but Jun Ji-hyun`s father is an ethnic Chinese, and Jun Ji-hyun is an ethnic Chinese herself," the media reported, quoting the source as saying.

There have been rumors about Jun`s ethnicity since her debut in 1997 because she started to use another surname, Jun, instead of her real one, Wang. Wang is a typical Chinese last name, although it is also common in Korea.

The actress, however, has been denying her roots in numerous interviews since now.

"What about it if I am an ethnic Chinese? I don`t understand why it needs to be hidden. Isn't it a good thing since I would also be able to speak Chinese? Sometimes I even think that it is too bad that I am not an ethnic Chinese when I hear those rumors," she had said in one interview.

Wang Ji Hyun is an ethnic pure-blood Chinese by leaks from the police investigation(She was the victim but her father and mother's names and citizenship status got leaked somehow) as well as the picture of her brother who look like an ordinary Chinese man, but she has vehemently denied being Chinese from the beginning of her career, but everyone knows she's Chinese and just accepted that she wasn't ready to come to terms with the truth.

So why is she denying it? Being labeled "Chinese" is like being HIV+ in Korea even in 2011, a great personal stigma even if you are a world famous actress. The very fact that the prosecutor's investigative official leaked not just her identity, but her parent's identity to support the fact is how vicious it is. That's what it is like being Chinese in Korea.

 

[HongWu]

Wang Ji Hyun is an ethnic pure-blood Chinese by leaks from the police investigation(She was the victim but her father and mother's names and citizenship status got leaked somehow) as well as the picture of her brother who look like an ordinary Chinese man, but she has vehemently denied being Chinese from the beginning of her career, but everyone knows she's Chinese and just accepted that she wasn't ready to come to terms with the truth.

So why is she denying it? Being labeled "Chinese" is like being HIV+ in Korea even in 2011, a great personal stigma even if you are a world famous actress. The very fact that the prosecutor's investigative official leaked not just her identity, but her parent's identity to support the fact is how vicious it is. That's what it is like being Chinese in Korea.

LOL..... thanks for letting us know South Koreans are a bunch of nut jobs. Thank heavens South Korea is a just a booger-sized country and can only play its petty little games inside its tiny territory. No tears from us if one day North Korea really does decide to "turn Seoul into a sea of fire."

Superiority Complex, not Inferiority Complex.

Even that anti-Korea poster Hong Wu accuses Koreans of thinking that Koreans are masters of universe, having invented everything, etc. That's the sign of superiority.

Oh okay your mental illness stems from being too superior because you're Korean

How about some plastic surgery? .... makes you even more superior! The superiorest!

 

[Korean]

LOL..... thanks for letting us know South Koreans are a bunch of nut jobs.

At least now you know what kind of anti-Chinese racism you can expect from Korea, and Koreans are proud of their racism toward Chinese.

On the other hand, I do feel sorry for Wang Ji Hyun; it was she who was the victim of the phone cloning scandal by her agency(Which was monitoring every bit of her move), yet we know almost nothing about the perpetrator. Instead, the prosecuter's office was briefing reporters about Wang Ji Hyun and her family's personal information as if it was a great public security issue. "Be ware! There is fake Korean actress out there, so watch out when you tune to TV channels and go to a movie theater".

But she is not the only famous victim of this xenophobic racism. Even the current Korean president, who was born in Osaka, was accused of being born to a Japanese mistress(A big no no, enough to shoot him down from the election regardless of his personal merits) of his father and had to go to court and take DNA test to prove that his mother was same as the rest of his brothers.

 

[Korean]

If you think the ROK racism is bad, it's even worse in North Korea where Chinese or half-Chinese have no right to be born.

N. Korean security officers kill babies of women repatriated from China <img src='http://110.45.173.101/www/news/images/ic_korean.gif'>

N. Korean security officers kill babies of women repatriated from China

North Korean women, who become pregnant after fleeing to China and are then repatriated to the communist state, suffer forced abortions committed by North Korean security officers, Free North Korea Radio reported Tuesday.

Security officers kick pregnant women in their abdomens to induce these; and if they give birth to babies, they kill them in the presence of their mothers, the report said.

Quoting an unnamed source in North Hamgyeong Province in the North, the broadcaster said, &#8220;Some North Korean women repatriated from China are pregnant. But the atrocities North Korean security officers commit against them are beyond belief.&#8221;

&#8220;Some time ago, a woman was released from prison because she was pregnant, but her baby was killed because the baby was of Chinese descent,&#8221; the source told the broadcaster.

According to the source, a Chinese man sold a North Korean woman, who fled the North in 2008, for 800,000 won and the woman was taken forcibly to Changchun, northeastern China. But she was arrested by Chinese security officers and repatriated to North Korea with three other North Korean women in April this year. At that time, she was pregnant.

The 28-year-old women, only identified by her family name Han, recalled that when she was under the custody of Chinese security authorities, she heard that if repatriated, North Korean security officers would kill all infants who are of Chinese descent. &#8220;But I thought that it was unthinkable as North Koreans are humans, too.&#8221;

After she was returned to the North, security officers gave her no drinking water. After her labor pains started, several officers surrounded her and kicked her abdomen.

She finally delivered a baby, but she saw them shoot it, shouting that the infant of Chinese descent should be killed, the broadcaster said.

So if our Chinese friend thinks ROK racism toward Chinese is bad, it's nothing compared to China's best friend NK's racism toward Chinese, who have no right to be born and are exterminated at birth to keep NK's bloodline pure.

And NK frequently complains about all the foreign wives(14% of newly wed-wives are foreign in Korea nowadays) in the sotuh, that NK is doing its part to keep its bloodline pure, yet Koreans down south are tainting the precious bloodline by importing all these wives from China, Vietnam, Mongolia(Actually Mongolian and Central Asian wives are OK because Mongolians and Central Asian are considered to be brothers of Koreans in the South), Philippines, Cambodian.

 

[Fantasy]

At least now you know what kind of anti-Chinese racism you can expect from Korea, and Koreans are proud of their racism toward Chinese.

On the other hand, I do feel sorry for Wang Ji Hyun; it was she who was the victim of the phone cloning scandal by her agency(Which was monitoring every bit of her move), yet we know almost nothing about the perpetrator. Instead, the prosecuter's office was briefing reporters about Wang Ji Hyun and her family's personal information as if it was a great public security issue. "Be ware! There is fake Korean actress out there, so watch out when you tune to TV channels and go to a movie theater".

But she is not the only famous victim of this xenophobic racism. Even the current Korean president, who was born in Osaka, was accused of being born to a Japanese mistress(A big no no, enough to shoot him down from the election regardless of his personal merits) of his father and had to go to court and take DNA test to prove that his mother was same as the rest of his brothers.

The Un figures of casualties during the Korean war is widely exxagerated, all we know is that the North Koreans were on the verge of conquering the entire Korea without the UN intervention Korea will have been one nation under communist rule today, and when the UN cross the Yalu river, back mainly by UN troops, not South Koreans and were on the verge of taking the entire North, war hardened Chinese veterans march in and storm all the way to Seoul, before getting orders to pull back to the 38th parallel, which is the cause for why Chinese fought the war the first place, which figures do we trust more, Chinese figures have the casualties more on parity, UN figures are totally imploded, and unlikely given how the war was going, what we do know is South Korean troops was hardly involved in any of the major skirmishes throughout the war, they can only fake it in their movies where a few South Korean troops out of ammo, took out an entire Chinese army with guns simply with their bare hands, and there's no reason for Chinese to be racist towards Korean, we do not have the inferior complexity you Koreans do, just remember that you are a tiny country stuck in between 4 powers, you can have your ego and vanity fueled racism and plastic surgery, and shouting and bragging match all you want, in the end it will not change the fact, and lying will not change who you are or your history, that you are a Korean

 

[Fantasy]

There's one thing about faking action scenes in movie, but faking it in a historical movie, sums up why so many South Koreans are so brainwashed today, watch this funny typical scene from a Korean movie about the Korean war.
ROK VS PLA - YouTube