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The Maoists have left us with no chioce

ok watever u beleive,,

but please answer this question.
wat have the Maoists have achieved for the sake of the poor other than bringing in more jawans nd in turn more violence..?

For the hundredth and final time I am not in support of the Naxals, and to understand the situation, distinction has to be made between Naxals and Tribals. Unless that happens it will stay the same way.
What have they given to the tribals - I think hope. Its a pretty damn powerful thing. If a party is able to establish in Tribal minds that we will protect your land and we will at least not let you loose on what you have, it is a strong enough motive for them. Its a pity that our government has failed to do the same - instill a hope in their minds, and this is what needs to be done. Some concrete development work, which has a direct impact on their daily lives. The focus of operation in the region has to be infrastructure not guns.

In the end whether a tribal is killed or a CRPF, its an Indian who is dying. As aptly put, its become a war which no one can win, because it is not a war at all.
 
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For the hundredth and final time I am not in support of the Naxals, and to understand the situation, distinction has to be made between Naxals and Tribals. Unless that happens it will stay the same way.
What have they given to the tribals - I think hope. Its a pretty damn powerful thing. If a party is able to establish in Tribal minds that we will protect your land and we will at least not let you loose on what you have, it is a strong enough motive for them. Its a pity that our government has failed to do the same - instill a hope in their minds, and this is what needs to be done. Some concrete development work, which has a direct impact on their daily lives. The focus of operation in the region has to be infrastructure not guns.

In the end whether a tribal is killed or a CRPF, its an Indian who is dying. As aptly put, its become a war which no one can win, because it is not a war at all.

ok i agree with u that mayb they ve given the hope...but my ques - is that hope doing any good for them practically rather than more boots on the ground..?
if they(Maoists) had channeled that zeal in a more positive way by beleiving in the power of Ballot rather than bullet it would do the tribals way more good.
Since they now have the alleged support of the tribals the time is ripe for them to lay down their arms nd contest the election which they can easily win given the tribal support..?
Ur opinions on this pls..?
 
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ok i agree with u that mayb they ve given the hope...but my ques - is that hope doing any good for them practically rather than more boots on the ground..?

The question can be rephrased to is just getting boots on ground the only answer to the entire issue?

if they(Maoists) had channeled that zeal in a more positive way by beleiving in the power of Ballot rather than bullet it would do the tribals way more good.
Since they now have the alleged support of the tribals the time is ripe for them to lay down their arms nd contest the election which they can easily win given the tribal support..?
Ur opinions on this pls..?

Your line of reasoning has a fallacy, Naxals have support from tribals, but democratic elections is not their ideology. You are expecting them to channel their zeal in a positive way, when they have a hidden agenda of imposing their own ideology - which is non-democratic. It is slightly more complex than simply expecting Naxals to contest in elections and proving their majority. They will not do it unless forced to. These groups were formed only by fragmentation of Communist party of India when they decided to contest in election. They are the anti-democracy factions.

The first job is to win over the tribals. If they will support democratic ways, Naxals will be forced to either a) give up armed protest b) join mainstream politics c) become entirely irrelevant.

You can not expect Naxals to become democratic, you have to force them to become one by improving lifestyles of those in their support base. Answer to the first question - In my mind getting on with a development effort at a mass scale with role of CRPF as a defensive unit protecting these newly developed structures from being attacked rathen than just more CRPF and other forces on ground. A lot many tribals given employment for the construction work and generating more loyalty. Let the development and construction happen on a war footing rather than a war on foot.

We should not employ a GI Joe attitude of going in with blazing arms and expect to run Naxals by force. Soft power is always much stronger and lasting. Purely a personal opinion, we can agree to disagree if you find it offensive.
 
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The question can be rephrased to is just getting boots on ground the only answer to the entire issue?

definitely no...getting boots on the ground is alone not going to help.
but for development work to start there need to be boots on the ground.Hw do u expect the development workers to do their work wen they r under the constant threat of Maoists..?
They blow up railway tracks,schools,kill innocent villagers whom they "suspect" to be informers...hw can there be a atmosphere of development wen these Maoists r there carrying out their armed carnage.


Your line of reasoning has a fallacy, Naxals have support from tribals, but democratic elections is not their ideology. You are expecting them to channel their zeal in a positive way, when they have a hidden agenda of imposing their own ideology - which is non-democratic. It is slightly more complex than simply expecting Naxals to contest in elections and proving their majority. They will not do it unless forced to. These groups were formed only by fragmentation of Communist party of India when they decided to contest in election. They are the anti-democracy factions.

there u go..the very reason i want the Maoists to be done away with.Democracy is a beatiful things to loose.once ur used to it.:azn:

The first job is to win over the tribals. If they will support democratic ways, Naxals will be forced to either a) give up armed protest b) join mainstream politics c) become entirely irrelevant.

this a perfect catch 22 situation - development such that Maoists loose ground or do away with maoists nd then concentrate on the development

You can not expect Naxals to become democratic, you have to force them to become one by improving lifestyles of those in their support base. Answer to the first question - In my mind getting on with a development effort at a mass scale with role of CRPF as a defensive unit protecting these newly developed structures from being attacked rathen than just more CRPF and other forces on ground. A lot many tribals given employment for the construction work and generating more loyalty. Let the development and construction happen on a war footing rather than a war on foot.

We should not employ a GI Joe attitude of going in with blazing arms and expect to run Naxals by force. Soft power is always much stronger and lasting. Purely a personal opinion, we can agree to disagree if you find it offensive.

hw can u expect the tribals to become loyal wen they r living under the constant threat of the gun - both from Maoists nd CRPF.
The rest of ur post ...i Jus hope may it become true
 
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The “Invisible” Civil War | Random Thoughts of a Demented Mind

The “Invisible” Civil War
Published on April 8, 2010 in Politics. 203 Comments
We have been in the middle of an invisible civil war for many years now. Civil war because it is an armed struggle by a section of the people against the democratic administration of the country, a war that has spiraled so out of control that representatives of law enforcement accept that there are large swathes of country where they cannot enter. Invisible because it rarely captures national attention, confined as it is to largely rural backward areas for which it is pushed to the rear of the news by other things more important to our national life—like IPL, Shoaib-Sania and Kites.

That is unless more than seventy-six CRPF personnel are brutally massacred at which point of time we are forced to deal with the issue. At least for a few news cycles.

For those of us who do care, at least perfunctorily, and who havent drunk the “It’s all India’s fault” cool-aid it is tempting to angrily shout out “Ms Roy, happy now?” , in the context of her frothing diatribe against the Indian government, Hindutva, corporations (basically all of her enemies) and her rapturous glorification of the violence of Maoists in the execrable piece of garbage recently published in Outlook. But analyzing or rebutting a fanatic fundamentalist like Ms. Roy is as futile as deconstructing a Payal Rohatgi movie and once you realize that she is essentially a Rakhi Sawant with a laptop and a Booker, with the only difference that she uses Maoists instead of Mika to get attention, the uselessness of the exercise is even more evident.

What however is worth looking at are her rhetorical tools, principally because they are re-used by many people who share Ms. Roy’s agenda, from your unshaven friend at JNU to the slacker cousin of yours who leaves cigarette ash on your carpet. One of it is in presenting random pictures of Maoist rebels, women or young men, and saying “India’s Biggest Threats” as if the incongruity between their innocent visages and the phrase “India’s Biggest Threat” should show how ridiculous a liar the Indian government is. Of course, Ms. Roy the point is not the bholi soorat that you so lovingly present but that AK47 slung on her shoulder. That is the problem. Villains rarely look like Dr. Dong and do a Shaam-O-Sasha dance and even Osama would look like a poet had not we known his other activities.

The second is in humanizing terrorist organizations by saying “Look at the kind of development work they have done.” Well even the Mujahideen in Kashmir did earthquake relief and it is well known that terrorists do public outreach programs to win hearts and minds. Just like big industrial houses. However people like Ms. Roy will sneer at the altruism of big business and glorify that of terrorists. Not surprising.

The third is of course making wild accusations of government excesses and then obviating the necessity of providing supporting evidence by saying “The corporate press suppressed the news.” This is an old game, a game played by radicals across the political spectrum. Get some wild bit of news, either from “alternative media” or from unimpeachable sources like Maoists with a gun and say “There is no proof for this assertion of mine because there can never be.” This is not to say that government excesses do not take place (italicized for the benefit of those rushing to comment with a “On so-and-so day the government did this and this was reported in Newspaper so-and-so) but much of the accusations are just that. Accusations with nothing to back them up. Accusations so often repeated that they become fact.

And what is worth touching upon is the Big Lie that people like Ms. Roy perpetuate. That somehow we are seeing another Santhal Rebellion with the oppressive British being replaced by the oppressive Indian (Hindu) state. During the British era, Santhals using bows and arrows went up against British guns and cannons. Today’s Maoist “tribals” have AK47s and ultra-modern weaponry and commando-like training, which obviously some agency has supplied to them. In that respect this is not a “spontaneous” rising of the dispossessed but a carefully engineered insurrection with the fighting fuel being supplied by our “good neighbors” and the propaganda lungs (since propaganda is a vital part of Communist struggle) being supplied by “We know who”.

However what is true is that fighting footsoldiers of the Maoist movement are coming from the ranks of tribals and it is important we try to understand, even imperfectly since a full understanding of such a difficult problem requires much study which we are unable to do between two KKR matches, what is going on. What our Maoists in the press would tell us is a very simple story. One one side are the good people—the tribals, monstrously poor, sitting on minerals, being exploited and taken advantage of. On on the other side are the bad people—-big industrial houses, the Indian government, police, army and Hindutva (Yes the last word people like Ms. Roy put in every piece almost as if padding a piece for Google Adwords purpose). And that the tribals, the good guys, are launching a justified armed struggle against the bad guys.

The truth is slightly different. The tribals are not a monlithic entity. A few of them have, over the generations, taken advantage of quotas and the other special privileges provided to them by the Constitution as well as economic liberalization to improve their lot. Some of them have become middlemen, some of them small businessmen like brick kiln owners. A few of them, over generations, have risen in ranks even further becoming powerhouses like a Madhu Koda or Shibu Soren. But there are others who have stayed behind rolling kendu leaves and essentially doing the same things that their ancestors did. Now when big mining companies moved in, it was those “advanced” tribals who saw an opportunity to make more money by becoming land-brokers. Needless to say, they were coming up against their socially immobile brethren who naturally resented the comparative wealth and influence of their fellow-tribals. And then “people” started putting AK47s in the hands of those pissed off telling them “Grab what you dont have. We can make our own laws.”

Soon government-supported, pro-development “tribals” (Salwa Judum—–Mahendra Karma the founder of Salwa Judum is an ethnic Adivasi himself who had made it “big”) and the dispossessed but armed tribals were fighting each other, in an increasing spiral of violence. And despite what the “liberals” would have you believe, these “dispossessed” tribals forming the Maoists are not Robin Hoods. They go about terrorizing villages, collecting extortion and protection money and organizing people’s courts for punishing “informers” i.e. those who were trying to get into the gang of the “advanced” tribals. So yes this isnt a battle between good and evil but a massive gang war being played out in the backwoods with no heroes and no villains. Only victims.

A solution is difficult to find here. And I wont be presumptuous to say I have any idea what should be done. However I feel that part of the solution would be to have tribals brought into the mainstream. For too long I have seen people, usually city folks and academics, glorifying tribal life as the last surviving vestige of a simple, ancient way of living. But a tribal life, of subsisting on hunting and rolling kendu leaves, is a life that is medieval and there is a reason why people in most parts of the country abandoned this lifestyle many centuries ago (After all we all were tribals once). As mentioned before, the tension underlying the Maoist struggle is between those who have forsaken their old life for “capitalist pleasures” which in turn has led to an understanding of how they can leverage their possession of natural reserves for their own benefit, and those who have not.

While glorying Maoists, Ms. Roy says that they have gotten tribals organized and have won victories like getting a better price for kendu leaves. However it should be noted that poor and exploited people in other parts of the country did not need guns and terrorists to get organized. They formed cooperatives like Gujarat Co-operative Milk Marketing Federation Ltd (Amul) and changed their futures peacefully. So community organization, as Ms. Roy hints, does not need Maoists. As a matter of fact, Maoists prevent aid and assistance from reaching those that need it (being a kind of mafia themselves) and the perpetuation of the Maoist movement, as strategized by its handlers who are anything but tribals, depends critically on people being angry at the government. Hence lack of real development, as done by the government, serves them well because then they can show themselves to be an alternative.

In conclusion, I sometimes wonder what would happen to people like Ms. Roy should the Maoists actually succeed in overthrowing the Indian state in a few decades, a publicly stated aim. Well based on the glorious example of Chairman Mao and his attitude towards “intellectuals” during the Cultural Revolution and of his disciple Pol Pot, who made them work in the fields till they died, the fate of champagne liberals like Ms. Roy would not be all that great. But somehow I think she wouldnt stay around in the country to find out.
 
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definitely no...getting boots on the ground is alone not going to help.
but for development work to start there need to be boots on the ground.Hw do u expect the development workers to do their work wen they r under the constant threat of Maoists..?
They blow up railway tracks,schools,kill innocent villagers whom they "suspect" to be informers...hw can there be a atmosphere of development wen these Maoists r there carrying out their armed carnage.
Maoist have not been known to attack civilian structures. And I am also in favour of CRPF troops but just as a protective unit, not in the offensive role. Obviously, these will be worked out after dialogue with Naxals. We need to talk, they are also Indians and their voice needs to be heard as well. All that tantrum throwing - like what happened in case of a mobile number for home minister should be avoided.

there u go..the very reason i want the Maoists to be done away with.Democracy is a beatiful things to loose.once ur used to it.:azn:
Could not agree more. All for democratic process and its continuation.

this a perfect catch 22 situation - development such that Maoists loose ground or do away with maoists nd then concentrate on the development
If the situation was as simple as many think it to be, it'd have been resolved years earlier. Obviously a bull headed determined approach is required to eliminate the problem once and for all.

hw can u expect the tribals to become loyal wen they r living under the constant threat of the gun - both from Maoists nd CRPF.
The rest of ur post ...i Jus hope may it become true
Then why are we compounding the problem. Why are CRPF men not able to go in their?? Just because the area lacks transport infrastructure - Solution build it.
Why are they vulnerable at night - No Electricity - Supply them

Generating loyalty in not an overnight thing - wherein we blast away all naxals and tribals will fall in line. It requires a constant effort.
 
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Extreme situations call for extreme measures. The Punjab militancy is an example of determination of the state to enforce its will.

Yes, the tribal areas have been ignored far too long & exploited too. But that in no way condones the acts of the Maoists. Whatever be the grouse, persons taking up weapons against the state must be replied in kind in a manner that they or for that matter anyone else must not consider this option anymore.

We cannot always employ the carrot & stick. They have shown their intentions for far too long by targeting trains , innocents & the state security forces. Its time the Govt too showed its intent .

Even as the stick is employed, action & plans must be in place to address concerns of development, education & job opportunities in a trans[parent manner.
 
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Maoist have not been known to attack civilian structures. And I am also in favour of CRPF troops but just as a protective unit, not in the offensive role.

I slightly disgaree mate...They ARE known to attack civilian structures...doesnt schools,Railway lines qualify as civilian structures..?

Obviously, these will be worked out after dialogue with Naxals. We need to talk, they are also Indians and their voice needs to be heard as well. All that tantrum throwing - like what happened in case of a mobile number for home minister should be avoided.

Yup we need to talk to them nd sort out their probs as they r also Indians...but from a position of strength.
The home minister has never said no to a dialogue.He just says that Lay down ur weapons,we will be waiting at the dialogue table.
If the Maoists are not ready to accept that then the Indian state is definitely not to be blamed for any violence

Then why are we compounding the problem. Why are CRPF men not able to go in their?? Just because the area lacks transport infrastructure - Solution build it.
Why are they vulnerable at night - No Electricity - Supply them

Generating loyalty in not an overnight thing - wherein we blast away all naxals and tribals will fall in line. It requires a constant effort.

For the roads problem u also have to take into account he problem of these social activists nd envronmentalists.
On one hand they want development in tribal areas but wen the govt starts something they say it degrades the environment,put some case in a court,get a stay nd thats it..the project has gone into the legendary Indian court system.

We have to remember one thing...these current gen of Maoists dont want development..they want POWER...we have to realise it nd procedd accordingly.

Solution:
Do away with the Maoists, celebrate for 1 day the victory nd from the next day start the development work.
 
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National Interest means for the greater good of the nation above ur petty own interests.

Freedom of expression is essential but in certain cases like these definitely not good nd moreover FOE must have some logic in it not some XYZ doing blah blah blah for his/her self promotion.

nd moreover I dont find it worthwile arguing over that nutcase Arundati

@Nemesis
Sir in the Afghan ---> Hindu ---> Naxalism which is a FOE,please tell me if u find any logic.

That sounds so communist lol
 
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Hi, I'm not too knowledgeable on this issue, so could someone help me? It is often said that the Naxalites derive their support from the tribals, who have been largely left behind by the quickly developing parts of India. However, since India is a democratic country, what are the "governors" or "senators" (idk what they'd be called in India) of the Red Corridor doing? Why can't they just secure additional development, even if not at an equal pace, for their constituents? Don't they vote for their area's interest? Don't their votes count?
 
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Hi, I'm not too knowledgeable on this issue, so could someone help me? It is often said that the Naxalites derive their support from the tribals, who have been largely left behind by the quickly developing parts of India. However, since India is a democratic country, what are the "governors" or "senators" (idk what they'd be called in India) of the Red Corridor doing? Why can't they just secure additional development, even if not at an equal pace, for their constituents? Don't they vote for their area's interest? Don't their votes count?

In India strangely enough, there is no dearth of funds for development. The Central ( Federal) Govt allots funds from the central pool based on projections given by the state & discussed with the Central Planning commission.

In addition, the state to generates its own revenue and used it for work deemed fit.

Corruption lies at the root of it all.
 
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Hi, I'm not too knowledgeable on this issue, so could someone help me? It is often said that the Naxalites derive their support from the tribals, who have been largely left behind by the quickly developing parts of India. However, since India is a democratic country, what are the "governors" or "senators" (idk what they'd be called in India) of the Red Corridor doing? Why can't they just secure additional development, even if not at an equal pace, for their constituents? Don't they vote for their area's interest? Don't their votes count?

Its true that naxals derive their support from tribals and also from backward communities. This scenario was prevalent for almost 2-3 decades however in the naxal party cadres there have been inner fights on various core issues from a decade or so. The state which i live in had this problem very much however naxals shot in their own legs by grabbing money from everybody and also killed villagers and tribals on the suspicion of them being informers, though this is not widely reported interviews from naxal cadres returning to public mainstream have given such hints. The naxals have moved from this state to neighbouring states for this reason only. Ever heard of greyhounds.

As for the (senators or governors) it is the MLA (Member of legislative assembly) at state level and MP (Member of parliament) at the central level that represent the people of that constituency. Apart from rampant corruption development goes on but at very very very slow pace as these are neither places for business where infrastructure is to be developed urgently nor are they tourist places bringing in revenue. So life goes on and development goes on at varying paces.

As for their votes counting or not they do, but only at the time of election when promises are made for next 5 yrs of rule. Don't worry this is not a selective undermining of backward classes. This is the story of every constituency in INDIA. What can the poor voter do he has to either select between a jackal or a hyena :blink:

But still the juggernaut moves on at its own pace. MERA BHARAT MAHAN (MY INDIA IS GREAT).
 
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Chidambaram Drops Air Force Idea To Take On To A New Move Against Maoist

http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-defence/54566-maoists-have-left-us-no-chioce-2.html

Understanding the current phase of situation which is quite dangerously tricky, Union Home Minister P Chidambaram on Monday has dismissed his earlier plan against Maoist and is thinking of tackling them by arranging special task force to combat them.

This time it won’t be Army or Indian Air Force (IAF) to handle Naxal operations but a special team of forces to supplement the Central para-military forces in the dangerous tricky zone of the Maoist after a deeper analysis of the situation.

On account of new action against Maoist, Mr Chidambaram mentioned, “The use of aircraft, however, is being considered for surveillance, logistics, supplies and evacuation of troops. The Dantewada massacre spelt a terrible failure of command and control.”

Previously the home ministry had thought of deploying Rashtriya Rifles, the counter-insurgency force of the Army stationed in J&K but after a close debate on the Dantewada massacre in the Rajya Sabha, Mr Chidambaram cancelled the idea and clarified that a new task force should be arranged who can carry out the operation with outmost responsibility.

Further on to this Chidambaram highlighted that the report is expected to be submitted by April 25 and added, “I have asked the Rammohan Panel to fix responsibility right from the assistant commandant (of the CRPF’s 62nd battalion) to the Union home minister.”
In the verge to unmask CPI(Maoist) with the new combined strength of support from UPA and the government who are determined to cease their active operation, Mr Chidambaram highlighted, “They want to overthrow the parliamentary system and follow armed struggle. About 211 people were killed by Maoists in 2009 after being randomly labeled as police informers. Maoists had damaged 71 school buildings, 23 panchayat bhawans, two power plants and 67 telephone exchanges, besides blowing up communication towers.”
Chidambaram dismissed the view of NGOs, writer Arundhati Roy and Congress general secretary Digvijay Singh who favorably appears in support for the CPI-Maoists and he cited, “Human rights organisations and NGOs are living in fool’s paradise,” in reference to those who write lengthy articles on Maoists who would get the same freedom to write if they ever came to power.

The success of this move depends on the complete involvement of the Centre and state government, he notified, “we will be able to contain and control the menace in two to three years. We have to set a time horizon. I am determined to continue providing leadership to the home ministry and the para military forces. I am determined to provide assistance to states to fight the menace on naxals. The challenge has to be met squarely and we have to fight the menace fearlessly.”

Reflecting on to Mr Jaitley’s charge that the ruling party and UPA seemed divided on the counter-Naxal approach, Chidambaram defended, “Our party and UPA are totally united in the fight against naxals. You will not succeed in trying to divide my party.”

On account of socio-economic process this anti-naxal policy was made in sync with AICC 2006 resolution to focus on serious law and order problems in the country, he highlighted, “We are a robust democracy. We must allow various shades of opinion and it is for the government to evolve a policy after hearing every shade of opinion."
 
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