The major reason Islam was so successful was due to chivalry and mercy towards civilians - Most merciful conquerors in history

[Buddhistforlife]

the banu qurayza were expelled because they broke their treaty with the muslims please do some research man before posting stuff..if a tribe supports your enemy while pretending to be allies with you what would you have done???also i will need the context of the hadith since there were many jewish tribes who lived in the hejaz and were even allowed to practice jewish law in their jurisprudence

The indian narrative makes it seem like all hindus were forcefully converted to islam
im tiredof hearing iran iran iran..dont you guys have other examples..im arguing islam being spread by the sword as a whole is a myth..yes in some places it did happen that way but that is not how it was primarily spread as evidenced by west africa, caucus and south east asia (tired of repeating myself)..even when it comes to india i feel it was dalits who primarily converted and are still converting to this day

When it comes to iran scholars argue that the population was susceptible to islam and their conversions were sincere(quotes posted in earlier posts)..yes some parsis did flee to india unfortunately youll find groups of people being persecuted throughout history and you can’t just blame Islam for that when the Persians were doing the same thing for a millennia..

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Here is the hadith. I read it some weeks ago.

 

[W.11]

Muslim rulers could not convert Hindus into Muslims forcedfully in India because the population of India was extremely huge. One cannot simply enforce Islam on a population of 160 to 200 million.

lmao, so how did india become predominantly hindu in the first place?

regards

 

[zain41]

The rulers converted and their subjects also converted, its not through swords that any religion spreads, ashoka spread buddhism in his domain, then kushans spread it in their domains/ inner central asia, then chinese emperors became buddhist and spread in their domains, japanese kings spread in their domain as well, some bitter iranians claim that they were forced to convert to islam even though iranians had ruling elite during abbasids, many persians became religious imams and scholars like abu hanifa giving birth to hanfiya order.

Same is the case with the hindutvas who like to claim forced conversion, if that was true no hindutvas would have been left today.

regards

the irony is Indians giving reasons as to why Islam couldn’t be spread forcefully in India (population too high, didnt wana disturb peace etc) when the whole narrative has been otherwise

 

[Hamza913]

All muslim rulers of India were of foreign origin

Not really, there were numerous Muslim Rajput dynasties such as the Khokhars, Sammas, Soomros, Muzzafarids, etc. Tipu Sultan was from the Indian sub-continent too, as was Muhammad Shah (Bengali Sultan) and Adina Beg (Mughal governor of the Punjab).

who didn't want to see rise Indian Muslim population who would unite in future to threaten their rule for a Indian origin Muslim ruler

They didn't particularly care which ethnic group replaced them so long as they held the individual in question in a favourable light.

 

[W.11]

Muslim rulers could not convert Hindus into Muslims forcedfully in India because the population of India was extremely huge. One cannot simply enforce Islam on a population of 160 to 200 million.

here is a bit of history lesson for you, if you have any evidence to prove muslims of india were mainly forceful converts, please provide that.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1320618628920860672

can quote persecution of buddhism by the hindus as well

regards

 

[zain41]

Again I will need

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Here is the hadith. I read it some weeks ago.

Again I will need to know the context of when it was said..

In the Constitution of Medina, Jews were given equality to Muslims in exchange for political loyalty.[2][14] However, after each major battle with the Medinans, there were accusations of Jewish tribal treachery for aiding the enemies of the community in violation of the Constitution of Medina.[15] After Badr and Uhud, the Banu Qainuqa and Banu Nadir, respectively, were expelled "with their families and possessions" from Medina.

There is proof of this treachery

The Banu Nadir (Arabic: بَنُو ٱلنَّضِير‎, Hebrew: בני נצ'יר‎) were a Jewish Arab tribe who lived in northern Arabia until the 7th century at the oasis of Medina. The tribe challenged Muhammad as the leader of Medina,[1] planned along with allied nomads to attack Muhammad [2] and were expelled from Medina as a result. The Banu Nadir then planned the battle of the Trench together with the Quraysh.[3][page needed] They later participated in the battle of Khaybar.[4]

According to Watt, the Banu Qurayza "seem to have tried to remain neutral" in the battle[44] but later changed their attitude when a Jew from Khaybar persuaded them that Muhammad was sure to be overwhelmed[42]and though they did not commit any act overtly hostile to Muhammad, according to Watt,[2]they entered into negotiations with the invading army.[44]

In this context when there is constant treachery going on I have no problem with the hadith

The exiled Banu Nadir and the Banu Qaynuqa removed to the prosperous northern oasis of Khaybar, and later pledged political loyalty to Muhammad. Other Jewish clans honored the pact they had signed and continued to live in peace in Medina long after it became the Muslim capital of Arabia(pbs)

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Hummm,

Islam has a history of merciful conquers starting from Mohammad bin Qasim to bagadadi. World has never seen such merciful conquers.

Only you hindu terrorists and their sympathisers can come up with trash like this.

Enjoy!

 

[21st Century Vampire]

Medina and Makkah had millions of Jews and Idolators.

Millions? Meccan population was around 30000 to 50000, same for Medina...forget "millions", or a million or half a million even a quarter of a million would be too much of an estimate

Many Jewish tribes especially the Banu Qurayzah were either killed or expelled from Medina.

They initiated war against Muslims, btw in the context of that time being expelled wasn't inhumane (they had other cities to go to without restriction) nor slavery in an Islamic context was oppressive

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This was restricted as per some scholars to the hejaz and nearby regions and the goal of it was the protection of the 2 holy cities, it didn't apply to the outside of the diameter, one of the Jewish tribes (you mentioned) which were expelled due to hostility against Muslims for example were living freely in syria under the Rashidun....what intrigues me is out of all regions of earth that's the only region restricted yet people make such a big deal out of it while they're literally free outside of it

After the conquest of Makkah, the Quraysh Idolators were forcedfully expelled out of Makkah.

That's pretty merciful considering their history of killing Muslims when they were small in numbers and also considering what they would've done the other way around, they had other good places to settle to like khaybar and so on for the time...they were given free choice to stay or leave when Mecca was conquered and most chose to stay and became Muslim out of their own will

 

[Indos]

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Here is the hadith. I read it some weeks ago.

Just curious here, Do Budhist believe in God ? And if they do and you also may believe in God, is God greater than Buddha or Budha is greater than God since you guys mention so little about God and talk about Budha every where including in your ritual ?

 

[Buddhistforlife]

Millions? Meccan population was around 30000 to 50000, same for Medina...forget "millions", or a million or half a million even a quarter of a miliion would be too much of an estimate



They initiated war against Muslims, btw in the context of that time being expelled wasn't inhumane (they had other cities to go to without restriction) nor slavery in an Islamic context was oppressive



This was restricted as per some scholars to the hejaz and nearby regions and the goal of it was the protection of the 2 holy cities, it didn't apply to the outside of the diameter, one of the Jewish tribes (you mentioned) which were expelled due to hostility against Muslims for example were living freely in syria under the Rashidun....what intrigues me is out of all regions of earth that's the only region restricted yet people make such a big deal out of it while they're literally free outside of it



That's pretty merciful considering their history of killing Muslims when they were small in numbers and also considering what they would've done the other way around, they had other good places to settle to like khaybar and so on for the time...they were given free choice to stay or leave when Mecca was conquered and most chose to stay and became Muslim out of their own will

Absurd logic. Why should an entire tribe consisting of women and children and non combatants be forced to leave a city because of some individuals actions. This is gross generalisation.

here is a bit of history lesson for you, if you have any evidence to prove muslims of india were mainly forceful converts, please provide that.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1320618628920860672

can quote persecution of buddhism by the hindus as well

regards

Listen forced conversions does not necessarily mean use of violence or sword. Many Muslim rulers used to charge heavy Jizya tax on non muslims and many non muslims converted just to escape the burden of heavy taxes.

Then many non muslims were taken as slaves and were granted amnesty if they became muslims. This is also indirectly a forced conversion as many non muslim slaves were compelled to become muslims to become a free citizen.

here is a bit of history lesson for you, if you have any evidence to prove muslims of india were mainly forceful converts, please provide that.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1320618628920860672

can quote persecution of buddhism by the hindus as well

regards

Also Most of the muslim rulers who ruled India were not practicing muslims and more or less secular and so were more tolerant than their middle eastern counterparts. I can name many Delhi Sultans who were alcoholic, used to celebrate Hindu festivals, were homosexuals and did many unislamic things.

Even some muslim rulers and princes went on to create new faiths like Akbar and Dara Shikoh.

Nadir Shah, who was a Iranian muslim ruler, even openly claimed that he is an atheist.

 

[21st Century Vampire]

Absurd logic. Why should an entire tribe consisting of women and children and non combatants be forced to leave a city because of some individuals actions. This is gross generalisation.

It wasn't individual nor is it absurd, if you've read history both jewish tribes which were expelled worked as a community against the Muslims, even going by your logic the "decent majority" (not the individuals) could've easily worked something out with the Muslims (the obvious winners to-be) during the sieges but instead they sided with their own and worked together...and the point was whether it was inhumane or oppressive, no it wasn't both tribes were rich, possessed large amounts of portable wealth and were allowed to bring them and they set up businesses soon after in other areas and cities...stuff like these were pretty obvious to the conquerors...as far as the kids are concerned, why separate them from their mothers when they would eventually be safe

As for the Quraysh again it wasn't individual they worked as a community during the war...I'm not aware of any expulsion, the most of them (if not all) converted out of their own and even if they were exiled it wouldn't be something oppressive, they were rich too they could've easily done the same as the Jewish tribes

Not only were the measures precautionary (to be underlined), it wasn't really much of a severe punishment

Some muslim rulers even enacted discriminatory policies like Caliph Umar who sanctioned special dress for non muslims so that muslims can identify them. Non muslims who lived under Caliph Umar' rule could not own and ride horses and had to walk. Their churches had to be smaller than mosques as it would be insulting to muslims

That's a myth, there's no strong historical proof for that and the source of those claims is from a forged document called the pact of Umar which is considered a forged document especially by modern scholarship, why is it considered forged? One because there's no proper chain of narration going back to Umar or someone responsible from his era, two the source of it, three for contextual reasons because the policies cited weren't in line with the others that followed

Abu Lulu, a slave, because Caliph Umar overburdened him with high amount of tax and the muslim authority did not listen to his plea

Are you using wikipedia? According to sunni version of the story which I consider authentic Umar did order (or "intended" in another version) his master to reduce the burden on Piruz but the interaction was unknown to Piruz at that time

 

[Buddhistforlife]

It wasn't individual nor is it absurd, if you've read history both jewish tribes which were expelled worked as a community against the Muslims, even going by your logic the "decent majority" (not the individuals) could've easily worked something out with the Muslims (the obvious winners to-be) during the sieges but instead they sided with their own and worked together...and the point was whether it was inhumane or oppressive, no it wasn't both tribes were rich, possessed large amounts of portable wealth and were allowed to bring them and they set up businesses soon after in other areas and cities...stuff like these were pretty obvious to the conquerors...as far as the kids are concerned, why separate them from their mothers when they would eventually be safe

As for the Quraysh again it wasn't individual they worked as a community during the war...I'm not aware of any expulsion, the most of them (if not all) converted out of their own and even if they were exiled it wouldn't be something oppressive, they were rich too they could've easily done the same as the Jewish tribes

Not only were the measures precautionary (to be underlined), it wasn't really much of a severe punishment



That's a myth, there's no strong historical proof for that and the source of those claims is from a forged document called the pact of Umar which is a forged document especially by modern scholarship, why is it considered forged? One because there's no proper chain of narration going back to Umar or someone responsible from his era, two the source of it, three for contextual reasons because the policies cited weren't in line with the others that followed




Are you using wikipedia? According to sunni version of the story which I consider authentic Umar did order (or "intended" in another version) his master to reduce the burden on Piruz but the interaction was unknown to Piruz at that time

Caliph Umar was the most aggressive of all the Sahabas of Prophet Muhammad. After the Battle of Badr, Prophet Muhammad, Ali and Abu Bakr decided that the prisoners of war shall be freed after paying ransom or by giving education to 10 muslims per person.

However Umar objected and instead decided to behead each and every prisoner of war.

 

[zain41]

Caliph Umar was the most aggressive of all the Sahabas of Prophet Muhammad. After the Battle of Badr, Prophet Muhammad, Ali and Abu Bakr decided that the prisoners of war shall be freed after paying ransom or by giving education to 10 muslims per person.

However Umar objected and instead decided to behead each and every prisoner of war.

the pact of umar like the other poster pointed out is disputed in terms of whether what clauses umar himself added and what other people added after him

After consulting with the poor, Omar established the first welfare state, Bayt al-mal.[82][83][84] The Bayt al-mal aided the Muslim and NON- MUSLIMS poor, needy, elderly, orphans, widows, and the disabled

Local populations of Jews and Christians, persecuted as religious minorities and taxed heavily to finance the Byzantine–Sassanid Wars, often aided Muslims to take over their lands from the Byzantines and Persians, resulting in exceptionally speedy conquests.[89][90] As new areas were attached to the Caliphate, they also benefited from free trade, while trading with other areas in the Caliphate (to encourage commerce, in Islam trade is not taxed, but wealth is subject to the zakat).[91] Since the so-called Constitution of Medina, drafted by Muhammad, the Jews and the Christians continued to use their own laws in the Caliphate and had their own judges. (under umars rule)

when the muslims conquered jerusalem umar prayed outside the church of holy sepulchre instead of inside because he thought praying inside might lead to muslims turning it into a mosque in the future

If a dog dies hungry on the banks of the River Euphrates, Omar will be responsible for dereliction of duty.

— (Omar)

Regarding the pact

This is a writing to Umar from the Christians of such and such a city. When You [Muslims] marched against us [Christians],: we asked of you protection for ourselves, our posterity, our possessions, and our co-religionists; and we made this stipulation with you, that we will not erect in our city or the suburbs any new monastery, church, cell or hermitage; that we will not repair any of such buildings that may fall into ruins, or renew those that may be situated in the Muslim quarters of the town; that we will not refuse the Muslims entry into our churches either by night or by day; that we will open the gates wide to passengers and travellers; that we will receive any Muslim traveller into our houses and give him food and lodging for three nights; that we will not harbor any spy in our churches or houses, or conceal any enemy of the Muslims. [At least six of these laws were taken over from earlier Christian laws against infidels.] (bu.edu)

So we dont know what stuff was added later on, like the dress code im really skeptical of..it was a common practice in medieval europe for jews to wear the star(as early as the 11th century) and it is possible that this practice was adopted later on by the muslims

the pact of umar like the other poster pointed out is disputed in terms of whether what clauses umar himself added and what other people added after him

After consulting with the poor, Omar established the first welfare state, Bayt al-mal.[82][83][84] The Bayt al-mal aided the Muslim and NON- MUSLIMS poor, needy, elderly, orphans, widows, and the disabled

Local populations of Jews and Christians, persecuted as religious minorities and taxed heavily to finance the Byzantine–Sassanid Wars, often aided Muslims to take over their lands from the Byzantines and Persians, resulting in exceptionally speedy conquests.[89][90] As new areas were attached to the Caliphate, they also benefited from free trade, while trading with other areas in the Caliphate (to encourage commerce, in Islam trade is not taxed, but wealth is subject to the zakat).[91] Since the so-called Constitution of Medina, drafted by Muhammad, the Jews and the Christians continued to use their own laws in the Caliphate and had their own judges. (under umars rule)

when the muslims conquered jerusalem umar prayed outside the church of holy sepulchre instead of inside because he thought praying inside might lead to muslims turning it into a mosque in the future

If a dog dies hungry on the banks of the River Euphrates, Omar will be responsible for dereliction of duty.

Regarding the pact

This is a writing to Umar from the Christians of such and such a city. When You [Muslims] marched against us [Christians],: we asked of you protection for ourselves, our posterity, our possessions, and our co-religionists; and we made this stipulation with you, that we will not erect in our city or the suburbs any new monastery, church, cell or hermitage; that we will not repair any of such buildings that may fall into ruins, or renew those that may be situated in the Muslim quarters of the town; that we will not refuse the Muslims entry into our churches either by night or by day; that we will open the gates wide to passengers and travellers; that we will receive any Muslim traveller into our houses and give him food and lodging for three nights; that we will not harbor any spy in our churches or houses, or conceal any enemy of the Muslims. [At least six of these laws were taken over from earlier Christian laws against infidels.] (bu.edu)

So we dont know what stuff was added later on, like the dress code im really skeptical of..it was a common practice in medieval europe for jews to wear the star(as early as the 11th century) and it is possible that this practice was adopted later on by the muslims

Regarding the battle of badr the Meccans attacked the muslims to annihilate them..it was 300 against 1000..
so any intellectually honest person can understand umers sentiments here..however if you look at the bigger picture even after repeated effort of the makkans to finish islam by persecuting and waging war against the muslims, when the muslims gained the upper hand and returned to Makkah the Prophet forgave everyone..

 

[Itachi]

False. There were no mercy towards civilians. Medina and Makkah had millions of Jews and Idolators. Many Jewish tribes especially the Banu Qurayzah were either killed or expelled from Medina. After the conquest of Makkah, the Quraysh Idolators were forcedfully expelled out of Makkah.

False. You lost me at "millions of Jews and idol worshippers"

Only the Jews of Banu Qurayza were expelled and killed, that too because of them helping the Meccans thus breaking their treaty with the Muslims among many other things they did to undermine the Muslims of Medina. The punishment they got was also according to Jewish Law, prescribed by their chosen Jew.

You would know that if you had actually studied Islam and not parroted false stories.

The Quraish of Makkah mostly converted after seeing the mercy of Prophet Muhammad SAW. No one forced anyone to move out. If anyone moved out, it was of their own will.

Caliph Umar was the most aggressive of all the Sahabas of Prophet Muhammad. After the Battle of Badr, Prophet Muhammad, Ali and Abu Bakr decided that the prisoners of war shall be freed after paying ransom or by giving education to 10 muslims per person.

However Umar objected and instead decided to behead each and every prisoner of war.

Need a source....otherwise I can't believe a liar, especially one with 36 negative ratings. Hopefully you aren't itching to get banned either.

 

[Buddhistforlife]

False. You lost me at "millions of Jews and idol worshippers"

Only the Jews of Banu Qurayza were expelled and killed, that too because of them helping the Meccans thus breaking their treaty with the Muslims among many other things they did to undermine the Muslims of Medina. The punishment they got was also according to Jewish Law, prescribed by their chosen Jew.

You would know that if you had actually studied Islam and not parroted false stories.

The Quraish of Makkah mostly converted after seeing the mercy of Prophet Muhammad SAW. No one forced anyone to move out. If anyone moved out, it was of their own will.


Need a source....otherwise I can't believe a liar, especially one with 36 negative ratings. Hopefully you aren't itching to get banned either.

Read Wikipedia article on battle of Badr.