The JF-17 is a truly remarkable plane

[Max Pain]

If thats is consideration, will Mig 21 Bison Beat JF17 ? It can Fire BVR , has minute RCS and India will Field Best AWACS.

dont worry about that, worry about the fact that you dont need anything to get those bisons down, their own malfunctions and crashes are enough to take a huge toll, no wonder they're called "flying coffins"
so lets not compare that jet with JFT,

 

[The Unnamed]

Your clock is stuck at one point. We shall one day sale JF-17 too. Then I am sure you shall come up with an excuse that you exported it to a third country and not USA hence the plane is not capable.

You do not own SU-30 or are development partner in it. A specific model SU-30 MKI was developed for IAF and India might have given some input regarding that specific model but not the SU-30 project.



PAF is not used to shielding or protecting her assets. PAF uses her assets where ever and whenever they are needed. In modern day warfare it is very hard to shield or protect assets.

will not and has not has no place in what you will do tomorrow. If PAF is gonna send 18 blk 52s against IAF, i would call it a stupid move and rightly so. On the other hand, these planes have been more than useful in bombing uighyurs and uzbecks. right on money.

 

[Chanakyaa]

dont worry about that, worry about the fact that you dont need anything to get those bisons down, their own malfunctions and crashes are enough to take a huge toll, no wonder they're called "flying coffins"
so lets not compare that jet with JFT,

Such Posts are better suited for Humor section.
btw, a similar perception by Musharraf caused the Kargil Disaster.

 

[ejaz007]

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with due respect .. support your clalim HUD video with proof..
and come when you able to sale JF-17 too.. till theory stands that JF 17 not owned by pak ...not fully atleast..
if nothing to provide than proof..
then better dont talk on that
Thanks ...

This is called moving in circles. You keep coming back to from where you began.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Pretty soon, the JF-17 will have the new engine.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

We will take the stuff attached to the engine as well, true beauties would look in Pakistan Airforce colors

 

[pursuit of happiness]

This is called moving in circles. You keep coming back to from where you began.

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circle is imp till you dont get ans ..

I thinking you are babbling. We are discussing performannce of IAF vs PAF in during Kargil.and the bottom line is that despite limitations PAF did not loose any aircraft while IAF lost three. It kept IAF from crossing the border. So i have proven you wrong, with facts.Making a big deal, especially giving medals, for painting PAF aircrafts is BS and proves nothing as PAF did the same and was able to prove it to the world, unlike India. We are not discussing the politics of Kargil. I will be happy to do so in a separate thread with the same results. Also most Pakistan dont worry about what the world thinks about it. We don't accept the current global balance of power dominated by the west. We will never get a good deal in terms of world opinion especially from the west. The way the things are evolving even China will not be our friend in the long term. But the good news is that by then India would by then have collapsed due to the same dynamics.

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enogh non sense..
proove your claim..
or
keep live in your own delusion world..

 

[Basel]

Don't just spout of what you want to believe- provide me with specifics where the Blk.52s are superior to the IAF's MiG-29UPGs and Mirage 2000-5 Mk.2s or the IN's MiG-29K/KUBs. You're the only one putting out fan boy logic out there.

Don't twist the talk, I never say F-16 are superior to IAF's air crafts, I said IAF don't have superior air craft other then MKI against F-16s, it means F-16 are at same level what advance fighters IAF can field other then MKI currently, after MKI only Rafale will be superior in tech and its still not inducted.

Vintage aircrafts you are having with little upgradation. No match with the sofastication we have. You people even call jf17 as 4th generation

If you talk about Vintage then your majority fighters other then MKIs can't handle vintage Kifir Block-60 easily, its a beast, and you are talking about a new bird that it is vintage, big egos you Indian have.

Two to Tango? Argentina Looking for New Warplanes
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At 40 Years of age, Kfir Turns into a “Networked Fighter” | Defense Update:

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The only sources free of American or European influence are Russia and China.

Chinese F-8s “Finback-Bs” would be a very cheap used option, presenting no serious threat, but good for harassment patrols and shows of force at range. The question is whether they could be kept in the air. The JF-17 Thunder from China and Pakistan would be a more advanced option and a definite threat, thanks to its ability to carry C802 subsonic and CM-400AKG supersonic anti-ship missiles. Argentina has expressed interest in the JF-17, and has held discussions directly with China.

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[Basel]

no pak doesn't have anything to bring down foxbat that time...

PAF did not have plane operational to bring down Foxbat at that time but there were SAMs ready to do the job, but it was realized that its not armed plane and therefore SAMs were not launched, although in late 90s I have questioned this with a PAF official and he said Govt. did not allow us to do it as we were not at war (It was Nawaz Sharif's govt. at that time, a friend of India).

That make PAF think of need of a jet which can intercept Foxbats but their only available option was to bring back F-104s which had capability to intercept Foxbats as those can go 80K + feet.

how many block 52s do you have ? 15-16 ? 30-40 ?
we have 100 operational flankers man, men training over them for more than a decade, providing training on flankers to others...you know that is not 100 block 52 fanboy stuff.

You Indians forgot one thing that all those planes of IAF have to cover much more area, that is why they are bought in numbers, PAF will have upto 100 F-16s and majority will be upgraded to 50/52+ standard while they will be supported by other assets too, and Pakistan is not that huge to have a big force to defend it.

 

[Basel]

basically 18 as of now, right ? that's too less...that is in case of a war these f16s would likely to be shielded from IAF rather than spearhead an attack. any tangle with the flanker or the m2k in its new avatar, the picture isn't rosy my friend.

Nope, in terms of tech all older F-16s are on par of new F-16 Block-50/52+ only shortfall is their range, loiter time, engine still the same, new ones are have more space due to which they have all avionics / electronics in house where as older ones had to carry POD for better EW capabilities against any threat posed by IAF.

 

[danger007]

PAF did not have plane operational to bring down Foxbat at that time but there were SAMs ready to do the job, but it was realized that its not armed plane and therefore SAMs were not launched, although in late 90s I have questioned this with a PAF official and he said Govt. did not allow us to do it as we were not at war (It was Nawaz Sharif's govt. at that time, a friend of India).

That make PAF think of need of a jet which can intercept Foxbats but their only available option was to bring back F-104s which had capability to intercept Foxbats as those can go 80K + feet.



You Indians forgot one thing that all those planes of IAF have to cover much more area, that is why they are bought in numbers, PAF will have upto 100 F-16s and majority will be upgraded to 50/52+ standard while they will be supported by other assets too, and Pakistan is not that huge to have a big force to defend it.

you are too delusional to accept enemy strength. . you just wanted to prove India can't do anything. .

 

[Basel]

you are too delusional to accept enemy strength. . you just wanted to prove India can't do anything. .

You Indians are living in delusion not us, you think you are on par of USA and can do anything, you just can't as of now.

This how high F-104s could go:

F-104C World Altitude Mark | White Eagle Aerospace
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That is why there were considered to intercept Foxbat head on.

 

[danger007]

You Indians are living in delusion not us, you think you are on par of USA and can do anything, you just can't as of now.

see i just asked one question. . no response yet... jf 17 need to slow down to mach 0.7 to launch cm 400akg... and it need to come within 150km radius ... can the jf 17 launch missile safely???

 

[danger007]

as in ??

so how many blk 52s as of today and how many upgraded to exact block 52 specs ? by turkey i presume ? i mean not block 40 not block 15/16 grade but block 52s...

foxbat was something PAF had no answer for in it's time. you have to just admit it.

he is delusional kid.. leave him..

 

[foxbat]

So when you can't counter anything in post, go on verbal diarrhea about think tanks. Great. As expected

It was not about Think Tanks in general. Was specifically for you and the inability you exhibited in understanding the post you responded to. But guess, even that was beyond your comprehension. Meh