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The Strategic Impact of China's J-XX [J-20]

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Air Power Australia - Australia's Independent Defence Think Tank


Air Power Australia NOTAM
9th January, 2011


Dr Carlo Kopp, SMAIAA, SMIEEE, PEng,
Head of Capability Analysis, Air Power Australia


The emergence of China's new J-XX [J-20] stealth fighter will have a profound strategic impact, for both the United States and its numerous Pacific Rim allies. There can be no doubt that it is proof positive of the absolute and complete failure of the current OSD driven plan for recapitalisation of the United States tactical fighter fleet, and the fleets of its allies. Like the Russian T-50 PAK-FA, the J-XX [J-20] is a “game changer” in the sense that the large scale deployment of operational production examples of these aircraft invalidates all of the key assumptions central to United States and allied air power and force structure planning and development, since the early 1990si.

Whether the J-XX [J-20] is a proof of concept demonstrator, or a prototype for a volume production combat type, what the design demonstrates is that Chinese engineers have mastered advanced stealth shaping techniques. The design displays repeated application of United States developed shaping design rules used previously in the F-22 Raptor design, and in some portions of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter design. An observer unfamiliar with the background of the J-XX [J-20] could be forgiven for mistaking the type for a Lockheed-Martin developed productii.

The accuracy with which the Chengdu engineers replicated key shaping features could be explained by their reverse engineering the design rules from high resolution imagery of US aircraft. However, it also begs some very good questions as to whether this engineering was directly or indirectly aided by less overt means. Exploitation of engineering data acquired by the alleged penetration of United States contractor computer networks would provide equally good or better technical resultsiii.

Airframe shaping is absolutely critical in stealth design, and determines the bounds on the achievable Radar Cross Section performance of any design. If shaping is done poorly, the aft and lower fuselage design of the F-35 being a cardinal example, no amount of radar absorbent material or coating compatible with the weight and volume needs of fighter design will overcome the resulting performance problems. Conversely, if shaping is done right, the cardinal example being the B-2A Spirit, then progressive upgrades of the radar absorbent materials and/or coatings over the life of the design can be used to further improve its stealthiv.

By cleverly exploiting contemporary United States developed stealth fighter shaping design rules, Chengdu engineers were able to rapidly get an excellent basic shaping design with a minimum of risk and cost, and significant long term stealth performance growth potential, as Chinese absorbent material and coating, frequency selective radome, low signature antenna and engine nozzle technology mature over time. A derivative of the J-XX [J-20] built in 2025 would thus have a much lower radar signature than a 2015 build of the same airframe.


The Capability Potential of the J-XX [J-20] Stealth Fighter

While the introduction of robust stealth shaping is an unprecedented design feature for an indigenous Chinese fighter, another first is an airframe evidently designed for efficient supersonic cruise at high altitudes – the delta-canard configuration is not unlike that adopted by the Russians in the cancelled supercruising MiG MFI design. Supersonic cruise not only kinematically defeats most legacy fighters and Surface to Air Missiles, but confers additional launch range to Air-Air Missiles and smart bombs, provides an energy advantage when merging into close combat, and in a larger design like the J-XX [J-20], yields important productivity gains due to the ability to supercruise to and from targets. The latter can in many circumstances double the effective sortie rate of a bombervvi.

In terms of gross sizing the J-XX [J-20] most closely resembles the smaller configurations proposed for the FB-22A “theatre bomber”, which was to be a dedicated bomber and ISR airframe, intended to supercruise to targets at combat radii in excess of 1,000 nautical miles, a niche occupied by the TAC/SAC GD F/FB-111 family of aircraft during the Cold War. Claims that the Chengdu design is a “Sino-F-22A” make little sense, if the latter were true the aircraft would be considerably smaller. Unlike the FB-22 proposals, the J-XX [J-20] is clearly intended for air combat and using a canard-delta configuration will provide both efficient supersonic cruise, and good supersonic and transonic manoeuvre performance if fitted with engines of sufficient thrust ratingvii.

In technological strategy terms the combination of stealth and supercruise yields high lethality and survivability, supercruise yields high per-sortie productivity, and the sizing and thus combat radius of the airframe provide a basic design with the flexibility to be used effectively across the spectrum of roles covered by the Cold War design F/FB-111 and proposed FB-22 families of aircraft. The canard-delta airframe configuration if fully exploited yields sufficient agility to serve effectively in the spectrum of roles covered by the F-15C and F-22A.

This design therefore provides the PLA-AF with an airframe which could be employed, subject to suitable avionic and weapons fit, across a range of strategically important roles:

  • Long Range / Persistent Interceptor: in this role the J-XX [J-20] would be employed to deny access to the airspace within the footprint of the Second Island Chain, attacking opposing strike aircraft and their fighter escorts;
  • Long Range Air Combat and Escort Fighter: in this role the J-XX [J-20] would be employed offensively, to punch holes through opposing air defences by engaging and destroying defending fighter Combat Air Patrols, AWACS/AEW&C aircraft, and supporting aerial refuelling tankers;
  • Theatre Strike Fighter: in this role the J-XX [J-20] would attack surface targets, in the manner performed by the F/FB-111, F-15E and proposed FB-22, using guided conventional munitions or free fall nuclear bombs; the size of the aircraft would permit weapon bays large enough to carry 3,000 lb or larger bombs;
  • Long Range Theatre Reconnaissance Aircraft: in this role the J-XX [J-20] would be employed to collect radar, imagery and electronic intelligence, emulating aircraft such as the RF-111C/D, the RA-5C, and F-14/TARPS but with the advantage of stealth absent in legacy theatre reconnaissance types;
  • Electronic Attack Platform: in this role the J-XX [J-20] would be employed to suppress opposing radar and communications, using weapon bay carried support jamming equipment, in the manner of the EF-111A Raven;
  • Anti-Satellite Weapon Launch Platform: in this role the J-XX [J-20] would be employed to lift and loft an ASAT missile against an LEO SV, in the manner the US Air Force employed the F-15A and the Vought ASM-135A ASAT during the mid 1980s.
The airframe self-evidently has the potential to be used in each of these niches, albeit with some niches occupied by specialised variants or subtypes. A single multirole variant could be employed across the first three roles without difficulty. The aircraft's size makes it a natural candidate for “lateral evolution” into other rolesviii.





In terms of sizing, combat radius and exceptional survivability, the J-XX [J-20] occupies the same niche as the GD F/FB-111 family of aircraft did, presenting potential for evolution across a wide range of roles. Depicted FB-111A nuclear strategic bomber, EF-111A electronic attack aircraft and F-111B long range interceptor (US DoD images).









To what extent the PLA-AF and PLA-N air arm opt to exploit the potential of this design, or a derivative design, remains to be seen. Prudent strategic analysis however cannot rely on the notion that the PLA-AF and PLA-N air arm will not make full use of a potential capability the development of which has consumed without doubt considerable national treasure.




(US DoD)




The F-111/FB-22 sized J-XX [J-20] is clearly built to deny access to the Second Island Chain region (Chinese Internet).



Above, below: Histograms of distances between PLA-AF and PLA-N fixed basing along the eastern seaboard of mainland China and US airfields at Kadena AFB on Okinawa and Andersen AFB on Guam. The J-XX/J-20 is well sized to hold both of these bases at risk (Kopp, 2005).









The PLA-AF fighter base at Feidong in the Nanjing MR [Click for more ...] is a good example of the design of a “superhardened” fighter base. The primary runway, available for takeoffs and landings, has a wide full length parallel taxiway to enable recoveries in the event of damage. An auxiliary take-off only alert runway is directly connected to the underground hangar entrance, allowing the fighter to roll out of the tunnel, line up, open the throttles and take off quickly. The PLA invested considerable thought into planning its network of 'superhardened' fighter bases, usually placing the runways behind a hill or mountain, relative to the threat axis.


The Strategic Impact of the J-XX [J-20] Stealth Fighter

At this time there is no air defence system in Asia, including the organic capabilities of the US Navy CVBGs, which can reliably stop a mature long range supercruising stealth fighter, be it an F-22A Raptor, or a mature production export T-50 PAK-FA, or J-XX [J-20].

Western built Integrated Air Defence Systems (IADS) rely primarily on S-band, and to a lesser extent, L-band and UHF-band acquisition radars for land based, and shipboard use.

Airborne Early Warning capabilities are similarly constrained, the E-3/E-767/APY-2 AWACS (US Air Force, Japan) operating in the S-band, the E-737 Wedgetail/MESA (South Korea, Australia) and G.550 CAEW / EL/M-2075 (Singapore) the L-band, and the E-2C/APS-145 (US Navy, Japan, Singapore) and E-2D/APY-9 (US Navy) in the UHF-band.

While the L-band MESA and EL/M-2075, and UHF-band APY-9 will have significantly better detection performance against a J-XX [J-20] compared to an S-band radar such as the APY-2 or SPY-1 Aegis, it will be very much lower than that achievable against a non-stealthy conventional aerial targetix.

As a result of the introduction of robust stealth capability, the coverage footprint of United States and allied IADS in the WestPac will be severely reduced, no differently than that of the Warsaw Pact IADS when confronted by the F-117A Nighthawk from 1985 onward. The result of this will be large holes in IADS coverage, or to use the colourful late Cold War description, “the gaps between fence pickets become very wide”.


Engagement radars employed for Surface-Air Missile defences, such as the Patriot MPQ-53/65 and Aegis SPG-62, and most fighter multimode radars operate in the C/X-band, and some in the Ku-band. Semiactive and TVM missile seekers mostly operate in the native C/X-band of the fire control system, while active radar seekers mostly operate in the Ku-band or above. The effectiveness of all of these systems will be severely impaired when confronting a mature variant of the J-XX [J-20]. Intercepting the Chengdu fighter is apt to present the very same challenges confronted in intercepts flown against the F-22A Raptor, both in terms of acquisition by radar, guidance of missiles and kinematic intercept by aircraft or missile.

In the Western world, most intellectual and development effort in air defence radar and missiles since 1991 has been concentrated into two discrete areas, specifically to provide TMD (Theatre Ballistic Missile Defence) capabilities at the upper end, and C-RAM (Counter Rocket Artillery Mortar) capabilities at the lower end. Capabilities to intercept and destroy high performance low observable aircraft and guided munitions have received little if any attention.

Conversely, Russia has since 1991 invested most of its intellectual and material effort in air defence radar and missile development into two very different areas. At the upper tier, counter-stealth radars exploiting VHF-band technology have been developed and some exported, while at the lower end, the focus has been firmly on providing C-PGM (Counter-PGM) capabilities to defeat Western smart munitions. China has followed the Russian lead in IADS capability development, with indigenous and imported Russian technologyx.

In strategic terms, at the most basic level, a mature production J-XX [J-20] effectively obsoletes nearly all of the IADS infrastructure and systems, air defence fighter fleets and weapons inventories deployed and operated by the United States and its Pacific Rim allies, in a fashion no different to the immediate obsolescence inflicted by the F-117A / B-2A / F-22A upon globally deployed Soviet era IADS, fighters and systems.

In any conflict involving China, a well sized fleet of mature production J-XX [J-20] would have significant freedom of action to attack and destroy aerial and surface targets throughout the geography of the Second Island Chain. Pre-emptive strikes such as those flown in previous conflicts by US Air Force B-2A and F-117A stealth aircraft, intended to cripple and thus paralyse IADS and C3I systems, would present a genuine and very serious risk in any standoff or escalated contingency.

Moreover, with a robust payload of satellite/inertial guided bombs, a multirole or strike derivative production J-XX [J-20] would have significant capability to shut down United States and allied airfields across the Second Island Chain, in a manner no different to that envisaged by the US Air Force as a prime role for the GBU-39/53 Small Diameter Bomb armed F-22A Raptor – and proposed FB-22. No differently, US Navy CVBGs are at significant risk, adding to the risks posed by the DF-21D ASBMxi.

Unlike ballistic missile terminal stages which present terminal guidance challenges in accuracy, and warhead mass limitations, guided bombs delivered by aircraft can be extremely precise and have large warheads, with significant capability to penetrate reinforced concrete, or warship hulls, and high explosive filler payloads of up to many hundreds of kilogramsxii.

As the PLA-AF and PLA-N have access to over 200 airfields, most semi-hardened, some well hardened, and a few super-hardened and deep underground, dispersal and continuous relocation of a J-XX [J-20] fleet is a feasible deployment strategy, and one which presents genuine difficulties in countering with pre-emptive air or cruise missile strikesxiii.

The supersonic cruise capability and large fuel capacity of the J-XX [J-20] would permit it to be based deeper inside China's territory, compared to older types, further complicating efforts to close down or destroy airfields from which the J-XX [J-20] may be operating, as significant penetration into China's increasingly dense and sophisticated IADS would be required to hit such sites. As the J-XX [J-20] will have close to twice the productivity, in sortie rates achievable compared to conventional non-supercruise types, basing the aircraft deeper inside the IADS would not impair productivity in the manner it would for subsonic cruising types.

In terms of China's ability to manufacture and deploy significant numbers of the J-XX [J-20] it is worth observing that in terms of raw “bang for buck” China's defence industry is outperforming the United States' industry by a robust margin. The oft quoted comparisons between the United States and PRC defence budgets produce a misleading picture of the relative scale of investments, especially in terms of equipment recapitalisation. Chinese aggregate defence budgets as cited reflect primarily capital equipment acquisition and support costs, while many infrastructure and personnel costs are born by regional governments. United States budgets tend to carry a significant fraction of operational costs which have been unusually high over the last decade due to the ongoing global conflict with Islamo-fascist insurgent movements.

The woeful inefficiency of many portions of the United States defence industry, and procurement bureaucracy, is best exemplified by the fact that the underperforming single engine F-35 is now more expensive than the larger and much better twin engine F-22 Raptor, in terms of Unit Procurement Costs. Many other United States programs display similar symptoms, with overpriced and frequently underperforming products. China has a much healthier manufacturing industry than the United States, and a larger pool of highly skilled personnel, in a job market where personnel costs are tightly controlled. China's ability to rapidly develop both the sophisticated J-XX [J-20] and complex KJ-2000 AWACS over the last decade, with little prior depth in the basic technologies involved, shows an efficient and effective R&D environment, and supporting manufacturing base.

The Chengdu J-XX [J-20] thus represents a techno-strategic coup by China, and if deployed in large numbers in a mature configuration, a genuine strategic coup against the United States and its Pacific Rim allies. The development of the Chengdu J-XX [J-20] represents an excellent case study of a well thought out “symmetrical techno-strategic response” to the United States' deployment of stealthy combat aircraft, which no differently to the United States' play in the late Cold War and post Cold War period, elicits a disproportionate response in materiel investment to effectively counter.

The only US design with the kinematic performance, stealth performance and sensor capability to be able to confront the J-20 [J-XX] with viable combat lethality and survivability is the F-22A Raptor, or rather, evolved and enhanced variants of the existing configuration of this aircraft.

The US Navy F/A-18E/F Super Hornet is outclassed in every respect, and would be as ineffective against a mature J-XX [J-20] as it is against the F-22A Raptor.

All variants of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter would be equally so outclassed, assuming this failed project even progresses to any kind of actual production.

All US Air Force, US Navy and allied legacy fighters are outclassed in much the same manner, and are ineffective kinematically and in sensor capability against this class of threat system.

The extant IADS technology base of the US Army and Navy and their sister services in Pacific Rim allied nations will be largely ineffective, requiring the replacement of most if not all acquisition radars with VHF-band AESA technology replacements designed to defeat S/X/Ku-band stealth capabilities.

From the perspectives of both technological strategy and military grand strategy, the J-XX [J-20] is the final nail in the coffin of the utterly failed “Gates recapitalisation plan” for United States and allied tactical fighter fleets. Apologists for the “Gates fighter recapitalisation plan” will no doubt concoct a plethora of reasons as to why the J-XX [J-20] should be ignored, as they did exactly one year ago when the Russians unveiled the T-50 PAK-FA stealth fighter.

The material reality is simple. If the United States does not reverse course in its tactical air fleet and air defence recapitalisation planning, the United States will lose the Pacific Rim to China, with all of the practical and grand strategic consequences which follow from that.


More Pics and References are available at the link of the article(below).
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Finally...We come to the pure fly-by-wire FLCS. There are no mechanical flight controls laws in the system, as in there are no push-pull rods or pulleys. There are the flight controls laws inside the pilot's head and there are the flight controls laws inside the FLCS computer. If battle damage render the FLCS computer inoperable, the pilot have to leave the aircraft. He has no way to use his own flight controls laws.

why I just qoute the last part? bcz i not interested in how the mechanical-hydraulics FLCS works, and i don't know why you post it (to show off you wiki searching skills?)

now, come to the qouted section. well, it seems i overestimated your ability to read and understand. When i said "laws", i assume that you will understand what i was talking is "laws" indide a FBW system, not the pilots' skills.

But obviously, you still don't know how this outputs (or "laws" according to you) was established,analysized and optimized inside X-36's FLCS, doesn't you? this is why you name them "LAWS", just like those in a mechanical-hydraulics FLCS, if the pilot push xxx, then yyy must do zzz.


China does not know the codes for American 'stealth' fighter's FLCS so there is no way for you to assert that China is superior to US in this respect. But it is reasonable to assume who is probably the superior based upon experience. So who has the more experience in fly-by-wire technology? You think it is impossible for China to write faulty codes? What a child-like faith. You believe in Santa Claus as well? The world's most experienced fly-by-wire technologists, the US and Europe, made mistakes but never will China.
this is the most interesting part. let's go throught it sentence by sentence.

"China does not know ALL the codes for American 'stealth' fighter's FLCS " i will certaily accept this. but without the key word "ALL", how can you be so sure about that.

"there is no way for you to assert that China is superior to US in this respect."
did i ever said that? all i said was: we applied some advanced development and testing tools which were not existed in the 1990s. understood now!

"You think it is impossible for China to write faulty codes? What a child-like faith. You believe in Santa Claus as well? The world's most experienced fly-by-wire technologists, the US and Europe, made mistakes but never will China."

of course, Chinese engineers have written and will continue to write defected codes(happy?) but thanks to the rules and tools, much of them will be found and corrected before migrating into the plane. and the rest of them? they will be fixed when they shown up. just like maintaining the hardwares (which you are familiar with), with better procedures and equipment, they are more likely to remain in good condiction, but they still failed from time to time, at a much lower frequency.
 
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Yes, having symmetrical rudder displacement during flight makes sense because it increases the downward moment through air flow at the rear of the jet, so it helps the jet to raise its head for climbs or up turns etc.

But it also makes sense to have asymmetrical rudder displacement to on the ground to aid speedy/tight horizontal turns, think of it like this:

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Suppose the jet is trying to perform a tight left turn on the ground, it uses its engine to produce a forward thrust, if we pin our cartesian coordinates on the its airframe, the effects of the forward thrust is the same as having air flow relatively backwards on its frame, if we deflect the left rudder to a near perpendicular position to the incoming airflow while having the right rudder fixed tangential to the streamline, the it would generate a positive (counter-clockwise) moment on the aircraft frame, this essentially enhances the aircraft's ability to perform tight horizontal turns on a given level surface, at least it makes sense to me and I still do not think it is an un-intentional software glitch :D
I used to race SCCA for fun and it is known among racers and car designers that aerodynamic forces are not worthwhile until the vehicle is around 50 mph. For what you said, on the ground, friction with the tires are more efficient retardant than aerodynamics, which often require the aircraft to be already in motion. You would achieve the same effect but more efficient with asymmetrical braking and in a tighter turn radius. For a light fighter like the F-16, nose wheel steering is selectable at around 70-80 knots or about 80 mph or about 110 km/h. Selectable mean the pilot can disengage to use rudder steering at higher ground speed or engage NWS at below that speed.
 
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why I just qoute the last part? bcz i not interested in how the mechanical-hydraulics FLCS works, and i don't know why you post it (to show off you wiki searching skills?)
This is a typical attitude of someone who does not care that he is out of his area of knowledge and still thinks he knows it all.

now, come to the qouted section. well, it seems i overestimated your ability to read and understand. When i said "laws", i assume that you will understand what i was talking is "laws" indide a FBW system, not the pilots' skills.
I understand these principles quite well. It is clear that you do not comprehend the context of the word 'law' here.

But obviously, you still don't know how this outputs (or "laws" according to you) was established,analysized and optimized inside X-36's FLCS, doesn't you? this is why you name them "LAWS", just like those in a mechanical-hydraulics FLCS, if the pilot push xxx, then yyy must do zzz.
I do not need to know the details of the X-36's fly-by-wire FLCS. I only need to know and understand that everything is based upon laws and aviation is no different. Let me guess, Chinese aviation operates on different laws of physics...:rolleyes:...If you cannot understand the context of 'law' here, there is no hope for you. In a perverse way, I hope there are others like you working on the J-20.

this is the most interesting part. let's go throught it sentence by sentence.
Yes...Let us go there...

"China does not know ALL the codes for American 'stealth' fighter's FLCS " i will certaily accept this. but without the key word "ALL", how can you be so sure about that.
Because these laws must be custom coded for the hardware. But if you are so certain that China does have the F-22's FLCS codes, show everyone your evidence.

"there is no way for you to assert that China is superior to US in this respect."
did i ever said that? all i said was: we applied some advanced development and testing tools which were not existed in the 1990s. understood now!
You do not have to use the word 'superior' but you said pretty much the same thing...

We used exactly the same testing tools that is being used by NASA and Lockheed Martin. In this regard, we have a much better kick off compare to that of the F-22s' in the 1990s.
Quibble all you want. I do not care.

"You think it is impossible for China to write faulty codes? What a child-like faith. You believe in Santa Claus as well? The world's most experienced fly-by-wire technologists, the US and Europe, made mistakes but never will China."

of course, Chinese engineers have written and will continue to write defected codes(happy?) but thanks to the rules and tools, much of them will be found and corrected before migrating into the plane. and the rest of them? they will be fixed when they shown up. just like maintaining the hardwares (which you are familiar with), with better procedures and equipment, they are more likely to remain in good condiction, but they still failed from time to time, at a much lower frequency.
Hmmm...Is this speaking from personal experience? Or more likely faith?
 
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the canopy window looks tinted.

It probably works just like your Rayban :D

Seriously, it is important I think to protect the pilots and cockpit controls from ultraviolet rays when they are flying 30,000 meters up all exposed.
 
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I used to race SCCA for fun and it is known among racers and car designers that aerodynamic forces are not worthwhile until the vehicle is around 50 mph. For what you said, on the ground, friction with the tires are more efficient retardant than aerodynamics, which often require the aircraft to be already in motion. You would achieve the same effect but more efficient with asymmetrical braking and in a tighter turn radius. For a light fighter like the F-16, nose wheel steering is selectable at around 70-80 knots or about 80 mph or about 110 km/h. Selectable mean the pilot can disengage to use rudder steering at higher ground speed or engage NWS at below that speed.

Agreed that the higher the flow speed the more obvious of the effects from the asymmetrical rudder displacement. Just a speculation here, maybe the designer re-used the same (modularized) logic to control the rudder movement for doing turns on the ground or in the air (with additional code controls the wheels while it is in taxiing mode of course). So on the ground during low motion taxiing when the wind effects are negligible the asymmetrical rudder movements wouldn't add much effect, but when it's in high taxiing speed regime it can still perform tight (or "tighter") turns if necessary, once this thing gets enough air circulation on its wings to lift off the ground, the benefits of having these asymmetrical rudder movements would be more obvious.
 
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all i can say about this plane is ...

it can hit hard on far away strategic force multipliers ...

whether they are naval ships or AWACS ...

i dont agree with experts who say canards wont b good for a stealth fighter ...

at low subsonic speed whr canards will give it much needed balance it will be almost equal LO in frontal aspect than F-22 flying in supercruise at a higher altitude ... so impossible for detect if it approaches an Indian air defense site or an american CBG flying subsonic at lower altitude ...

a sure shot killer (Amogh Astra in indian words) ...

Indians should be alarmed and whoever who sees a future conflict with china ...

i was never impressed with ballistic missile killing a AC .. but this sure can do that

congrats to all Chinese ppl ...
 
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China has an awesome leverage now against Taiwan and any one trying to meddle in the affairs east of China.

What a feat i must say!
 
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This is a typical attitude of someone who does not care that he is out of his area of knowledge and still thinks he knows it all.

this is indeed out of my domain. Howerer, who exactly pretented to be an expert in mechanical-hydraulics FLCS here and posted lots of ralated articles here? certainly it is not me, maybe it is you.

I understand these principles quite well. It is clear that you do not comprehend the context of the word 'law' here.

don't go too far away, this is what we should be focus.

So are there such things as flight controls laws? Yes, this is real physics. A 'law' is a directive that has adverse consequences if that directive is not obeyed.

can you give me an example of "flight controls laws"?

I do not need to know the details of the X-36's fly-by-wire FLCS. I only need to know and understand that everything is based upon laws and aviation is no different. Let me guess, Chinese aviation operates on different laws of physics...:rolleyes:...If you cannot understand the context of 'law' here, there is no hope for you. In a perverse way, I hope there are others like you working on the J-20.

chinese aviation operates on the same laws of physics, but not on the "flight controls laws" you mentioned. and the most interesting part is to use law A to overcome law B's drawback, so as to make law B irrelevant (making it like the law of yesterday).


cause these laws must be custom coded for the hardware. But if you are so certain that China does have the F-22's FLCS codes, show everyone your evidence.

I also looking forward to see your evidences of: China does not have "a single section" of the F-22's FLCS codes.
BTW, why F-22's FLCS codes is relevant here?

You do not have to use the word 'superior' but you said pretty much the same thing...

Quibble all you want. I do not care.
is this how you read and interprete books or anything else.
We used exactly the same testing tools that is being used by NASA and Lockheed Martin. In this regard, we have a much better kick off compare to that of the F-22s' in the 1990s.

OK, if you are not capable of understanding it, i will rephrase it for you.
In 1990s when F-22 is being developed, there is not such testing tools that the chinese using today, so they have a upper hand to make less defected system. got it?

Hmmm...Is this speaking from personal experience? Or more likely faith?
personal experience or faith? neither, I would like to name it statistic.

we were given the precise figure of "hidden bugs" (bugs that found by the testing software) and "founded bugs" (bugs that founded by other means) founded in F-35's and many other systems (including ours).
 
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India the world's No 1 weapons importer, a country which is buying everything it finds in the world in terms of weaponry and all weapons it could find from the US, EU, Israel and Russia should also consider procuring the J 20 at least to examine it. :rofl::rofl::rofl:
PS: See my post regarding India's Balkanization:tdown::tdown::tdown::
 
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India the world's No 1 weapons importer, a country which is buying everything it finds in the world in terms of weaponry and all weapons it could find from the US, EU, Israel and Russia should also consider procuring the J 20 at least to examine it. :rofl::rofl::rofl:
PS: See my post regarding India's Balkanization:tdown::tdown::tdown::
:) ... well it wont mature before 2020+ ... and chinese will fill its ranks first so wont be available for Pakistan before 2023+ ... and that moment FGFA the twin seater T-50 will be in service plus... after getting alarmed coz of chinese stealth plane...
AMCA development will pick pace and india will be flying a prototype by 2018-2020 although not in the league of PAK FA, J-20 but still a good plateform ... :)
 
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well it wont mature before 2020+

How do you know that??


... and chinese will fill its ranks first so wont be available for Pakistan before 2023+ ... and that moment FGFA the twin seater T-50 will be in service plus...

Both planes Date of Birth is almost same....Then why FGFA will be in service before T50....

after getting alarmed coz of chinese stealth plane...
AMCA development will pick pace and india will be flying a prototype by 2018-2020

And do you think the t50 pace wont effect J20's pace...


although not in the league of PAK FA, J-20 but still a good plateform ... :)

Yeah we know your Mig21 Bison can shoot down J20..... :disagree: :hitwall:
 
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