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J-11D

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The J-11D had its first flight on April 29, 2015 at a SAC airfield. It's most notable feature is its AESA radar, which is obvious thanks to its upwardly canted radar dome.

In a surprise development, the J-11D "D1101" prototype flew its first flight on April 29, 2015. The J-11D is the latest in Shenyang Aircraft Corporation (SAC)'s family fighters licensed and modified from the Russian Sukhoi Su-27 "Flanker." SAC has built well over 200 Su-27 and J-11s, such as the licensed produced J-11A and indigenously upgraded J-11B, which had better engines and radar, and a lighter airframe. It is possible that improvements from other Chinese Flanker variants, like the J-15 carrier fighter and J-16 strike fighter, have been applied to the J-11D.
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J-11D Flying

Eagle Eye

The J-11D Flanker fighter is the latest Flanker variant, and with an AESA radar, may be even more advanced that its Russian counterpart, the Su-35.

The J-11D's most noticeable upgrade is an upwardly canted radar dome, which carries an Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar, as well as further use of composites and stealth coatings in the fuselage to reduce weight. The fighter's Infrared Search and Tracking (IRST) pod has been relocated starboard of the cockpit, to accommodate a retractable inflight refueling (IFR) probe. The J-11D is also believed to have improved weapons hardpoints to carry the latest Chinese weapons, such as the PL-10 air to air missile, long range PL-21 missile and YJ-12 antiship missile.
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Chinese AESA

Hongjian at China Defense Forum

China's defense industry has become very proficient at building AESA radars, such as those found on the KJ-2000 AEW&C aircraft, Type 052C destroyer, HQ-9 SAM and these fighter AESA radars. The middle one, which is built for the J-16 strike fighter, has 1760 transmit/receive elements. The J-11D's radar is likely to be an improved model f the J-16's AESA radar, optimized for air to air combat.

The J-11D's upgrades allow it to take full advantage of new PLAAF capabilities, and in turn, extend those capabilities further. For example, the IFR probe would enable aerial refueling from an Il-78 tanker, extending both the aerial patrol time and range of the fighter. The AESA radar offers key advantages over older, conventionally scanned radar; it's more resistant against electronic jamming, offers higher resolution when targetting stealthy aircraft, and has greater range. The J-11D's datalinks would enable it to share its radar data with other Chinese aircraft and ships. The J-11D's greater weapons payload would include long range weapons that could then be guided by other systems with longer ranged sensors, like the KJ-500 airborne early warning radar plane.
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Divine Eagle Hunts

Hongjian via China Defense Forum

The offensive applications of the Divine Eagle are demonstrated here, as two Divine Eagles mark out not just the enemy aircraft carrier, but also its escorting warships and aviation wing, while vectoring friendly aircraft and ships into combat. The J-11D's radar and datalink would enable the fighter to transmit its radar data to other Chinese aircraft, robots and ships as part of integrated combat operations.

The J-11D's first flight is especially interesting given persistent rumors about impending Chinese purchases of the Su-35, the most modern Russian Flanker model. Ironically, the Su-35 uses a passive electronically scanned array (PESA) radar, which is an older and generally less flexible technology. Further flights like this indicate a shift is at hand, as advancing Chinese technology might be killing the Su-35's China sale chances
The J-11D Surprise (and SU-35) : China Upgrades Russian Flanker Fighters On Its Own | Indian Defence Forum

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J-16 is multi-role and centred on ground attack while J-11D is mostly an air-superiority fighter。

J-11B and J-11BS will be upgraded to J-11D in the future。
Well that is good to know first time some one has clarified with with real point.
 
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J-11D

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The J-11D had its first flight on April 29, 2015 at a SAC airfield. It's most notable feature is its AESA radar, which is obvious thanks to its upwardly canted radar dome.

In a surprise development, the J-11D "D1101" prototype flew its first flight on April 29, 2015. The J-11D is the latest in Shenyang Aircraft Corporation (SAC)'s family fighters licensed and modified from the Russian Sukhoi Su-27 "Flanker." SAC has built well over 200 Su-27 and J-11s, such as the licensed produced J-11A and indigenously upgraded J-11B, which had better engines and radar, and a lighter airframe. It is possible that improvements from other Chinese Flanker variants, like the J-15 carrier fighter and J-16 strike fighter, have been applied to the J-11D.
j-11d_1.jpg

J-11D Flying

Eagle Eye

The J-11D Flanker fighter is the latest Flanker variant, and with an AESA radar, may be even more advanced that its Russian counterpart, the Su-35.

The J-11D's most noticeable upgrade is an upwardly canted radar dome, which carries an Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar, as well as further use of composites and stealth coatings in the fuselage to reduce weight. The fighter's Infrared Search and Tracking (IRST) pod has been relocated starboard of the cockpit, to accommodate a retractable inflight refueling (IFR) probe. The J-11D is also believed to have improved weapons hardpoints to carry the latest Chinese weapons, such as the PL-10 air to air missile, long range PL-21 missile and YJ-12 antiship missile.
aesa_radar_generations.jpg

Chinese AESA

Hongjian at China Defense Forum

China's defense industry has become very proficient at building AESA radars, such as those found on the KJ-2000 AEW&C aircraft, Type 052C destroyer, HQ-9 SAM and these fighter AESA radars. The middle one, which is built for the J-16 strike fighter, has 1760 transmit/receive elements. The J-11D's radar is likely to be an improved model f the J-16's AESA radar, optimized for air to air combat.

The J-11D's upgrades allow it to take full advantage of new PLAAF capabilities, and in turn, extend those capabilities further. For example, the IFR probe would enable aerial refueling from an Il-78 tanker, extending both the aerial patrol time and range of the fighter. The AESA radar offers key advantages over older, conventionally scanned radar; it's more resistant against electronic jamming, offers higher resolution when targetting stealthy aircraft, and has greater range. The J-11D's datalinks would enable it to share its radar data with other Chinese aircraft and ships. The J-11D's greater weapons payload would include long range weapons that could then be guided by other systems with longer ranged sensors, like the KJ-500 airborne early warning radar plane.
divine_eagle_hunting.jpg

Divine Eagle Hunts

Hongjian via China Defense Forum

The offensive applications of the Divine Eagle are demonstrated here, as two Divine Eagles mark out not just the enemy aircraft carrier, but also its escorting warships and aviation wing, while vectoring friendly aircraft and ships into combat. The J-11D's radar and datalink would enable the fighter to transmit its radar data to other Chinese aircraft, robots and ships as part of integrated combat operations.

The J-11D's first flight is especially interesting given persistent rumors about impending Chinese purchases of the Su-35, the most modern Russian Flanker model. Ironically, the Su-35 uses a passive electronically scanned array (PESA) radar, which is an older and generally less flexible technology. Further flights like this indicate a shift is at hand, as advancing Chinese technology might be killing the Su-35's China sale chances
The J-11D Surprise (and SU-35) : China Upgrades Russian Flanker Fighters On Its Own | Indian Defence Forum

@WebMaster @Horus @Oscar @nair @Areesh @fatman17 @Arsalan @ajpirzada @Chinese-Dragon @ChineseTiger1986 @SpArK @Sulman Badshah

Amazing how Chinese have developed their technology. This is going to be the serious threat for India. Chinese may sell this aircraft to Pakistan as they don't give a damn what Russian might think. India with much less chance in defending . This is news is surprise to us but IAF already aware of this. And we want to have credible Aerospace industries with in the country .The motives are very clear and thats why even after canceling MMRCA and went for 36 rafale .A face saver for both.

But now we know about 90 MMRCA tender. All built in India. So who ever willing to share full TOT can come. We can't lag behind anymore. in few years technology will be very futuristic but comes with a huge price tag too. We cant afford it. As of today India to have 4 different types of 4th to 5th generation aircraft program excluding the current mKi. So we are heading into a right direction. This new Modi government definitely given a boast for these projects under Make in India. We will soon catch up with china very soon.

I hope we choose modified Su35S like MKI or EF. EF was our IAF choice at first. But later corruption played a huge role in bringing in a disqualified contender Rafale. Then we know what happened. But buying Su35S will speeds up Super sukoi upgrades at much larger quantity.
 
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Amazing how Chinese have developed their technology. This is going to be the serious threat for India. Chinese may sell this aircraft to Pakistan as they don't give a damn what Russian might think. India with much less chance in defending . This is news is surprise to us but IAF already aware of this. And we want to have credible Aerospace industries with in the country .The motives are very clear and thats why even after canceling MMRCA and went for 36 rafale .A face saver for both.

But now we know about 90 MMRCA tender. All built in India. So who ever willing to share full TOT can come. We can't lag behind anymore. in few years technology will be very futuristic but comes with a huge price tag too. We cant afford it. As of today India to have 4 different types of 4th to 5th generation aircraft program excluding the current mKi. So we are heading into a right direction. This new Modi government definitely given a boast for these projects under Make in India. We will soon catch up with china very soon.

I hope we choose modified Su35S like MKI or EF. EF was our IAF choice at first. But later corruption played a huge role in bringing in a disqualified contender Rafale. Then we know what happened. But buying Su35S will speeds up Super sukoi upgrades at much larger quantity.
Finally some sane voice from India.
 
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Amazing how Chinese have developed their technology. This is going to be the serious threat for India. Chinese may sell this aircraft to Pakistan as they don't give a damn what Russian might think. India with much less chance in defending . This is news is surprise to us but IAF already aware of this. And we want to have credible Aerospace industries with in the country .The motives are very clear and thats why even after canceling MMRCA and went for 36 rafale .A face saver for both.

But now we know about 90 MMRCA tender. All built in India. So who ever willing to share full TOT can come. We can't lag behind anymore. in few years technology will be very futuristic but comes with a huge price tag too. We cant afford it. As of today India to have 4 different types of 4th to 5th generation aircraft program excluding the current mKi. So we are heading into a right direction. This new Modi government definitely given a boast for these projects under Make in India. We will soon catch up with china very soon.

I hope we choose modified Su35S like MKI or EF. EF was our IAF choice at first. But later corruption played a huge role in bringing in a disqualified contender Rafale. Then we know what happened. But buying Su35S will speeds up Super sukoi upgrades at much larger quantity.
Well! this new MMRCA contract will be given to Rafale and a private company will produced them in India instead of HAL..
otherwise these 36 rafale will kill IAF..
 
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Well! this new MMRCA contract will be given to Rafale and a private company will produced them in India instead of HAL..
otherwise these 36 rafale will kill IAF..

THE Whole point of this tender is Rafale deal is dead only with 36 . French are not agreeing to make 50% investment in India that too for already agreed deal of 36. . . Now thats the reason we dont have to waste our time in negotiations. And go for new deal. If rafale want to win rules are simple. Full ToT and all will be made in India. Take it or leave. And for others too.

Mean while get as many mirages ad possible and upgrade them to latest standard. Mirage gives lots of confidence for our airforce. We will use Mirage and Rafale for the same operations.

10 Mirage 2K + 8 Rafale + 2 reserve Rafale Makes a Squadron...

India will have 36 . 10 + 10 + 10 = 3 Squadron ( With 10 Mirages in each of them) Other 6 for training and reserve.


Will it work? Deadly combination?
 
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THE Whole point of this tender is Rafale deal is dead only with 36 . French are not agreeing to make 50% investment in India that too for already agreed deal of 36. . . Now thats the reason we dont have to waste our time in negotiations. And go for new deal. If rafale want to win rules are simple. Full ToT and all will be made in India. Take it or leave. And for others too.

Mean while get as many mirages ad possible and upgrade them to latest standard. Mirage gives lots of confidence for our airforce. We will use Mirage and Rafale for the same operations.

10 Mirage 2K + 8 Rafale + 2 reserve Rafale Makes a Squadron...

India will have 36 . 10 + 10 + 10 = 3 Squadron ( With 10 Mirages in each of them) Other 6 for training and reserve.


Will it work? Deadly combination?
India can't afford EF and rafale at the same time.. So No EF and because of its difficult to maintain four nations as compared to one nation.. and there is no chance for su-35 as IAF as planes to upgrade MKIs to super MKIs... there is no option for gripen as it is light-weight and IAF has planes to induct LCA mkII...
the remainings are F-15, F-16,and F-18.. F-16 is out because of us..... and Options for F-15 and F-18 are low because of the policy of USA to string attached to her Weapons.... the Winner is Dassault rafale and local production will be given to private company instead of Public (HAL) company.. and 36s are just to fill the gap until local production start
 
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I want this in Pakistan. Our Navy has long been interested in J-11.

  • also can ws 10 or ws 10g can be fixed in jf17?
 
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India can't afford EF and rafale at the same time.. So No EF and because of its difficult to maintain four nations as compared to one nation.. and there is no chance for su-35 as IAF as planes to upgrade MKIs to super MKIs... there is no option for gripen as it is light-weight and IAF has planes to induct LCA mkII...
the remainings are F-15, F-16,and F-18.. F-16 is out because of us..... and Options for F-15 and F-18 are low because of the policy of USA to string attached to her Weapons.... the Winner is Dassault rafale and local production will be given to private company instead of Public (HAL) company.. and 36s are just to fill the gap until local production start

IF this was so easy then there wont be this new deal. French Indian diplomacy failed .So its all upto rafale. THis is another pressure tactics by India. Lets see what happen with second hand Mirage.
 
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THE Whole point of this tender is Rafale deal is dead only with 36 . French are not agreeing to make 50% investment in India that too for already agreed deal of 36. . . Now thats the reason we dont have to waste our time in negotiations. And go for new deal. If rafale want to win rules are simple. Full ToT and all will be made in India. Take it or leave. And for others too.

Mean while get as many mirages ad possible and upgrade them to latest standard. Mirage gives lots of confidence for our airforce. We will use Mirage and Rafale for the same operations.

10 Mirage 2K + 8 Rafale + 2 reserve Rafale Makes a Squadron...

India will have 36 . 10 + 10 + 10 = 3 Squadron ( With 10 Mirages in each of them) Other 6 for training and reserve.


Will it work? Deadly combination?

But this time India is in trouble b/c they already fckedup all major players and its include the winner also.
 
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