The Invention of the Mizrahim (Arab Jews)

[Azadkashmir]

Rothschild jews in israel are ashkeNAZI. non semetic lolz and agree on usury based on talmud/protocols.

 

[jewishm]

So mizrahi Jew's are homogeneous Jew of Israel remaining are migrants from Europe?

all jews are. thats what we belive. mizrahi jews lived in arab countries for 2000 years and come back to israel. we have diffrent culture but today we are 2nd generation israeli born so it will be gone in few years. im half moroccan half syiran jewish for example

 

[Saif al-Arab]

It's interesting, you can tell them apart from Ashkenazi Jews. Back when my parents were young, they had many friends who were 'Arab' Jews. They would visit Gaza as well, and Palestinians would visit or work in Israel. One of my distant cousins is married to an Mizrahi Jew as well. I haven't met any personally, I've only met Ashkenazi being that I am in the US. I've seen interviews with Mizrahi's and they seem to be reserved about their background. Some of them seem to have an identity crisis too. They play it safe and just state they're Israeli, since I think they face some pressure from the society. Now the Ashkenazi ones are more influential.

I'd be interested to learn about Arab Jews in Mecca, I don't think they are the Mizrahi ones.

There is definitely an element of pressure if we are to believe reports such as those and many others.

Jews don't understand/can't come to terms with the fact that there have been non-Jewish/Hebrew/Israelite Jewish communities. Of course the original Hebrews/Israelites/Jews native to Southern Levant were obviously very similar to neighboring Arabs and other Semites (genetically, in terms of appearance, culture, language etc.) but obviously those Hebrews/Israelites/Jews like Arabs and other Semites intermarried with each other/outsiders creating diverse populations.

For instance Jews from Arab countries, most of whom live in Israel today (but not all), do not differ genetically from their Muslim and Christian counterparts. So obviously those Arab Jews/Mizrahim are most likely descending from not only remnants of the now extinct Hebrews/Israelites but obviously Arabs and other Semites as well.

As for the Jewish communities in Arabia pre-Islam and at the time of Prophet Muhammad (saws) and a few centuries afterwards, were a mixture of ancient Hebrews/Israelites and local neighboring Arabs. Some tribes were converts while others were not but most were probably mixtures.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_tribes_of_Arabia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_the_Arabian_Peninsula

I mean outside of Southern Iraq (where Hebrews/Jews apparently claim to originate from) and Southern Levant, Arabia is the region with the oldest Jewish/Hebrew/Israelite history.

For instance take the example of King Herod the Great. His mother was an Nabatean (Arab) princess. And that was over 2000 years ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod_the_Great

After all Arabs and Jews, also according to traditional scripture and even historical/genealogical (which has nothing to do with religion per se) trace their ancestry from Prophet Ibrahim (as). When you read some of the earliest non-Muslim reports of Prophet Muhammad (saws) he is called/described as a son of Prophet Abraham (as).



So to sum it up Arab Jews definitely have the most affinity (genetic and historical) to ancient Hebrews/Israelites but since they have lived among Arabs for over millennia and intermarried with Arabs, a large portion of them (if not the majority) likely being local Arab converts to Judaism, I would not really consider them anymore foreign than I would consider Arab Christians or Arab Semitic pagans (if they even exist any longer, lol). It is quite complicated because I have seen Arab Jews who claim that they are basically Arabs but just following Judaism and then I have heard stories of Arab Jews who claim that they are ethnic Hebrews/Israelites who have just intermarried with Arabs and lived in Arab lands for a very long time.

Anyway as far as genetic tests on Arab Jews/Mizrahim from Arab lands, they do not really differ from the local non-Jewish populations so it should not be difficult to reach a conclusion here. I mean it's not like Iraqi Jews (now Israeli citizens) or Yemein Jews (now Israeli citizens) look different from the average Arab Yemen or Iraqi.

Anyway ask yourself this question. Let's assume that we live in year 1937 and not year 2017. There is no Israel. There are no Jewish settlers from Eastern Europe either (many had already arrived by 1937 but this is only an example) but the indigenous Jewish Arab communities in Southern Levant were present or a dying group like the Samaritans. Would any sane Palestinian or Arab in the Levant look at those people as alien foreigners when we know that this is not the case/view of Arab Christians by fellow Arab Muslims in Jordan, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria and elsewhere? Or would Jews of Yemen and Iraq be looked at as complete foreigners despite sharing everything in common with their countrymen except for a different religion that moreover was/is a fellow Abrahamic religion?

Of course not. However today the situation is totally different and Mizrahi Jews/Arab Jews are now part and parcel of Israel and as guilty as the Eastern European migrants when it comes to oppression and denying a Palestinian nation. So I don't look at those people as "our own" anymore unless they are not voicing support for current Israeli policies and do not deny their background.

Much of this is described in the report by the author (she refers to herself as an Arab Jew btw) herself.

Anyway I just thought that it would be an interesting share given how little people know about this issue. Lastly personally I feel that Arab Jews/Mizrahim/whatever we should call them, should lead at the front by trying to pressure Israeli society from within to change its policies. They should/could (if peace one day is reached) play a key role as bridge between both communities.

Anyway the first Mizrahi Jews/Arab Jews arriving to Israel were the ones that had the biggest ties to their ancestral Arab lands. Their children probably tried to do everything to fit into "mainstream Israeli society" and their grandchildren have probably intermarried with Ashkenazi and now only refer to themselves as Israeli. Many are probably not even religious Jews either. So Israel is basically the US of the Middle East and the only such nation. A nation of immigrants from across the world who have adopted a new culture. This is why you can see traditional Palestinian and in general Arab dishes being portrayed/paraded as "Israeli" by Israelis. Technically this is not wrong but it gives you a picture of what Israel really is.

all jews are. thats what we belive. mizrahi jews lived in arab countries for 2000 years and come back to israel. we have diffrent culture but today we are 2nd generation israeli born so it will be gone in few years. im half moroccan half syiran jewish for example
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Just out of curiosity. What do you think about what I wrote above? What is your view of such topics? I understand that they are complicated and it depends on what your ideology/beliefs are but notice the part where I discuss DNA which does not lie.

Anyway is it true that Yemeni Jews make the best food and music in Israel? I have also heard that Yemeni Jews were the ones who mastered Hebrew the best and who persevered ancient Jewish culture the best and also had/have some of the best theologians.

I think that the Yemenite Jews are the most interesting Jewish community in the world. It seems that many share this view.

BTW those look people like Yemenite Jews?

There were Jews in KSA as well until the 1930's when all of them migrated to Israel. They were/are a part/closely related to the Yemenite Jews.

Most historians claim that the Jewish communities of modern-day KSA and Yemen are the original/genuine Biblical Hebrews and there is in fact a very big chance of this being the case. This is also what their traditions say. That's quite cool.

See video and photos below:

 

[Solomon2]

Tuesday 25 April 2017, Issue: 10613


The question of progress and underdevelopment: The displacement of Arab Jews is a model of a fatal historical error

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  • What the Arab world is currently experiencing is the result of many historical conditions that the peoples of the region have not absorbed in their experiences and exhortations. Is a situation that bears the brunt of the political elite that has chosen to isolate its people and take its minds by relying on the conspiracy theory to justify errors and reliance on religion as opium drowning minds through specific interpretations, some of which are no longer relevant and mainly related to special contexts during the early years of Islamic da'wa Of the crisis.

The Arabs

Dr.. Salem Hamid [Published in 2017/04/24, number: 10612, p. (6)]

The Nakba in the speech

In 1930, Shakib Arslan published his famous book Why Muslims Delayed and Others Progressed, with a question still resonating in our present. Generations and decades have passed and the question remains waiting for the answer, as Arab reality has remained in place even after the departure of Western colonialism.

It is clear that the psychological background of refraction, confusion and frequency is planted in the Arab consciousness. The stories are many, but they require bold criticism, scrutiny and reflection to bring the old question back: Why are the Arabs all behind?

Consider what happened in the judo competition of the 2016 Olympic Games in Brazil when an Israeli judo wrestler named Or Sasson defeated his Egyptian opponent Islam Al Shehabi in the first round match.

The Egyptian player refused to shake hands with the Israeli player. The fans of the match cheered this behavior and fired expressions denouncing the Egyptian player. This leads to the question: Why do we Arabs deliberately distort our image in front of the world in ordinary situations?

In our view, our reaction to the West is immoral? And to what extent did the Arabs themselves contribute to transforming the Israeli entity into a state? And then became sensitive to the plight of Palestine caused headaches, emotional pain and emotional reaction.


The beginning of the Nakba

It must be remembered that since the declaration of the Nakba of 1948, Arab states expelled Arab Jews and deported them to Palestine. The number of Arab Jews reached 900,000, and thus the Arabs consciously or unconsciously presented a gift to the nascent Jewish state in an act that proved the mistake of dealing with hatred with Jews and failing to consider them as citizens of their countries of origin.

"Our problem in the Arab world is in the face of a cultural problem that lies in anti-diversity and lack of acceptance of the different" ​

The deportation of Arab Jews reflected the inability to separate Judaism as a religion and Zionism as a political movement and resulted in a failure to co-exist and tolerate Jews as a community. Over time, Arab behavior against Arab Jews led to a disastrous outcome. The Arabs lost an elite of their own citizens, who possessed wealth, influence, industrial character, diversity and culture. And then entered into costly and unbalanced wars against Israel. The Arab mentality continued to mold conspiracy theories in front of its people and to search for a scapegoat to justify its defeats.

In the final analysis, the racist Jewish state, represented by the Israeli entity, gained different colors from the people in the land that had been lost by the Arabs, and even by the Jews themselves, as well as the Jews who came from Russia and the West.

The emergence of the emerging state is analogous to the United States. Jews from different countries, and half of them came from Arab countries. For more than 2,000 years Jews have lived in Arab countries such as Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq, as well as in Islamic countries such as Turkey and Iran. Today, they make up more than half the population of Israel.

Given the current numbers of Jews who have stayed in their Arab countries, we see the vast difference in the past and the present. Now, by contrast, the Palestinians are the most sought-after asylum seekers in the world, generously supported. After the 1948 war, some 700,000 Palestinians fled their cities and villages. Some of them did not emigrate because of the war. They were asked to leave and thought they would be temporary, on the basis that they would return to their areas after the conflict with the Israeli entity.

هشاشة في مبدأ المواطنة وقيم التعايش Fragility in the principle of citizenship and values of coexistence

Khaled al-Azm, the Syrian prime minister in 1948-1949, acknowledged in his memoirs that Arab role in persuading the Palestinians to leave their areas. The Arabs did not realize the enormity of the error that created the Palestinian refugee crisis to this day, which led the United Nations to form UNRWA in 1949, the largest and longest-standing United Nations agency, To deal with only one group of refugees.

The problem of acceptance of the other

Our problem in the Arab world is in the face of a cultural problem that lies in anti-diversity and lack of acceptance of the different. The English historian Paul Johnson struck an example of anti-Arabism of the Jews and the social and political deterioration of the Arabs after their expulsion of their Jewish citizens when Spain expelled its Jewish citizens in 1492, which left a great impact on Spain as Spain and its colonies From a well-known category of finance, finance and credit.

In tsarist Russia, the adoption of many anti-Semitic laws eventually weakened and ultimately corrupted the entire Russian government, which also led to mass exodus of Jews, and thus the loss of intellectual and human capital was part of its potential.

Germany could have preceded the United States in making a nuclear bomb if Adolf Hitler had not expelled Jewish scientists such as Albert Einstein and Edward Taylor, and others who emigrated to the United States to invent the American nuclear bomb. If the Arabs had read the mistakes of other nations and understood the lessons and lessons of what they committed, they would have expelled Arab Jews who could have supported Arab regimes in the face of Israel within the concept of citizenship, coexistence and tolerance.

We do not forget that Israel presents itself today as a closed racist religious state, where the politicians do not stop asserting the Jewishness of the state, and complain about the increase of the non-Jewish population known to the 1948 Arabs. Thus, co-existence and dealing with Arab Jews as citizens of civil states would have contributed positively to refuting Israeli claims and pulling the rug from under the feet of Zionism, which argues against the persecution of Jews to justify the occupation of the Palestinian territories.

There are still those who are still confused between the racist Zionist occupation and Judaism as a religion. Anti-Semitism is not the result of coincidence and has not begun since the Zionist occupation of Palestine in 1948, but it is historical and still exists in the books of Islamic heritage, which is basically the jurisprudence and interpretations of human beings and individuals in the previous centuries, superficial interpretations that fit their time, which was less Open and more obsessive and intolerant. But it seems that hatred against the Jews will continue as long as the heritage books have been incited since the early stages of education for children, when we teach them that the "un-angry" are the Jews, and that "not the misguided" are the Christians!

Coexistence with Arab Jews as citizens of civil states would have contributed positively to refuting Israeli claims

Modification of curricula

Thinkers and critics are tired to note that curricula across the Arab world need radical changes to erase hate speech, and to move toward formulating a curriculum that promotes tolerance and acceptance of the other, and avoids sectarian and sectarian fanaticism. Because hate and hostility are a highly contagious disease that affects everyone, whether they are simple or educated.

But the state of Arab decline is comprehensive and goes beyond the fragility of the principle of citizenship and the values of coexistence to the level of basic and university education that educates generations and controls their future behavior. Given the ranking of universities worldwide, we do not find the name of an Arab university on the list of international universities.

At the level of scientific research we find that the Arabs are far behind the rest of the world, and cultural mobility is slow compared to other countries. If we compare the number of patents between Egypt and Israel, on the basis that Egypt is the largest Arab country in terms of population, In 2015, the US Patent Center announced 3804 patents from Israel compared to 30 patents from Egypt.

It is natural to say that countries should learn from their neighbors even if they are in the context of historical enmity, and the stereotype in the minds of all Arabs should be bypassed by the Jews and reduced to an Israeli soldier who terrorizes the Palestinians.

We must also ask ourselves why there is not yet a Palestinian state? And if Israel allows the Palestinians to have their own state, will there be peace in the Middle East? And what is our share of the Arabs' failure to reach the day when the birth of a state is declared to the Palestinians?

يهود يمنيون في طريقهم إلى إسرائيل قادمين من عدن (1949) Yemeni Jews on their way to Israel from Aden (1949)

It seems that many opportunities have been lost so far. After the disintegration of the Ottoman Empire following the World War, Britain took control of most of the Middle East, including the area that constitutes historic Palestine, which is currently large parts of Israel.

Seventeen years later, in 1936, during the Arab revolt against the British and against the Jews, the British formed the Bell Commission task force to study what they called the rebellion. The Commission concluded that the cause of violence was that Palestinians and Jews wanted to govern the same land. The Bill's answer was to create two independent states for Jews and for Arabs.

But even this British establishment of the two-state solution since that time has encountered difficulties and controversy that did not stabilize and ultimately led to no practical benefit to the Palestinian cause.

The two-state solution was strongly opposed by the Arabs. The British offered 80 percent of the disputed land to the Arabs, compared with 20 percent of the Jews. Despite the small size of the proposed state, the Jewish vote was said to accept this offer while the Arabs rejected it.

The process of gnawing the Palestinian land continued until the dream of establishing a Palestinian state within the 1967 borders became far-fetched with the spread of Israeli settlements.

The result is that the Palestinian issue in the Arab consciousness has entered the verbal consumption, and has not been denied by many Arab and non-Arab leaders to trade it, but that the Palestinians themselves contributed in this case of trading and waving the case in the context of the push and pull media at the expense of the Palestinian homeland at the expense of serious pressure Toward reaching the final solution to this just cause, it is time to stop manipulating it.

UAE writer

[H/T Elder of Ziyon: Amazing Arab essay on how the Arabs have screwed everything up for decades. EoZ has his own slightly different and perhaps more fluent interpretation of the original Arabic text.]

 

[jewishm]

Sharif al-Hijaz

they have the best voices of all the mizrahi jews like ofra haza eyal golan zion golan.
every israeli eat jahnun but i prefferd syiran\lebanease\moroccan food but sure yemen jews love their food.
about the language some pepole say they have the most accurate ancient hebrew but today every israeli jews talk hebrew the same. muslims talk arabic alot so they have some accent when they talk hebrew.

 

[Sinnerman108]

Forgot her ?

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[Saif al-Arab]

Sharif al-Hijaz

they have the best voices of all the mizrahi jews like ofra haza eyal golan zion golan.
every israeli eat jahnun but i prefferd syiran\lebanease\moroccan food but sure yemen jews love their food.
about the language some pepole say they have the most accurate ancient hebrew but today every israeli jews talk hebrew the same. muslims talk arabic alot so they have some accent when they talk hebrew.

That's good to hear.

Personally I think that Yemeni cuisine is much more exotic and varied than Arab Levantine cuisine although the latter is great as well. It is just a bit too blend for my taste. In my eyes Yemeni cuisine has found the best middle ground (at least compared to what I have tasted so far) between Middle Eastern and South Asian cuisine in terms of the use of spices, herbs etc.

I have heard the same about the Hebrew language which does not really surprise me. Yemeni Arabic (there are many different dialects in Yemen) is also a very conservative Arabic dialect overall.

BTW would you mind posting some Yemeni Jewish dishes that are popular in Israel? I am curious to see if they have a familiarity with the food that Yemenis eat which I assume but there must be some differences as well. I once watched a food program about an Israel (Mizrahi himself judging from his name and appearance) chef who travelled across the Mediterranean, including Israel, and one episode showed him visiting a Yemeni Jewish community in a Israeli town. I recall him talking about/showing some very popular fruit juices.

Thanks in advance.

I like this song below:

Zion Golan is a great singer.

Forgot her ?

[video]

I have never heard about her. Will check more of her songs out.

 

[jewishm]

Sharif al-Hijaz

kubana lachuch...
malawach and jahnun are the famous food you can buy them in the supermarket.
this photos of yemen jews took in adan 1949 before they come to israel in hashad camp.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

@jewishm

Interesting. Thank you for the share. I might be critical of Israeli politics (government) but I do believe that Arabs and Jews can have cordial ties once again like throughout most of history especially Arab Muslims/Christians/Atheists alike and Arab Jews.

Did you know that Jews from modern-day KSA also migrated to Israel? Those were Jews from Southwestern KSA and they were identified/identified themselves (from what I know) as part of the Yemenite Jewish family.

Some Yemenite Jews:













Some wonderful traditional dresses. Looks very extravagant.







Recent arrivals:



Also what is the instrument that this Yemeni Jew is blowing? What does it mean?

 

[jewishm]

Sharif al-Hijaz
its called shofar search about it..
i heard once about baharini jews that in israel. i know that saudi arabia jews were existed and come to israel but they are also in small numbers.
did pepole in the arab world hear mizrahi jewish music ?

 

[jewishm]

Quite a few do. For instance Yemenis know those singers well. At least the older generation. Less sure about the youth but I do know that both Arabs and Israelis listen to each others music.

Is there not a famous Israeli female singer that many youth of the region listen to? I forgot the name. Also if I am not wrong there are some famous Israeli Arab (Palestinian) singers too.

sarit hadad.. but we have alot of mizrahi jewish singers that sing in arabic. if i could post videos here i can share.
do you know ishtar ?