The inherent resilience of Pakistan

[I.R.A]

Summary: Pakistanis are indeed resilient, but its rulers are certainly not intelligent.

Pakistanis are ignorant, they don't complain, they don't dare challenge ......... and this ignorance somehow is a blessing in disguise that people think as resilience.

 

[litman]

a corrupt nation can never produce honest rulers.

 

[saaju]

We have everything except a honest and intelligent leader like of Quaid e azam

 

[The Accountant]

The British gifted us a army. That army is what provides resilience to Pakistan. Take the army out of the equation and Pakistan would tumble like a deck of cards. This is the simple fact.

The ordinary people certainly have proved to be resilient in stubbornly remaining class A dumbs, voting the same corrupt class again and again. Following the same degenerate mullahs decade after decade. Playing to same tired out music for the last 68 years. That is some freekin resilience - if you ask me.

Thats not correct ... check history of any great nation ... general public is alwayz like this .. they are dumb and stupid and happy in their usuall day to day life ... its only the intellectuals and group of few minorities who steers a nation to right direction ... we are lacking in severly on those serious sincere and honest leadership ... look at the pre 85 era and you can see personalities like quaid.e.azam .. liaquat ali khan .. ayub khan .. bhutto ... zia ... you can disagree with policies and actions of those leaders ... i myself of the view that bhutto is the core reason of our downfall but we cant doubt even a slight on the capabilities of these persons ... those were bunch of great enthusiastic genious and they might be arrogant self centered but they loved Pakistan and whatever mistakes they did were in order make Pakistan tall ... but look at our current so called leader ... zardari nawaz altaf benazir tahir ul qadri ... even imran khan has no credit in his account other than being non.corrupt or may be less corrupt ...

We need our intellectuals to gather arond and take the steering wheel but unfortunately democracy is such a lousy and faulty system that it will never let the intellectuals to take over unless there is bloodshed ...

In usa democracy survives as it was established by intellectuals and from the very bigning they e sure that intellectuals and establishment kept an uper hand .. look whats is happening with trump in power ... majority is with trump as majority is always dumb but trump will suerly take us to further shit as he is inclined towards taking popular decision and not the right decisions which is core of democracy ...

 

[Indus Pakistan]

its only the intellectuals and group of few minorities who steers a nation to right direction

I see your point but don't forget that 'elite' rises from the mass of people. They are us distilled. They are us filtered. Every nation produces the leaders it deserves. Lot of that has to do with the culture we have. Greatness does not flourish in our culture - on the other hand corruption and dupliicity find fertile ground in our land. How sad !

 

[VCheng]

Pakistanis are ignorant, they don't complain, they don't dare challenge ......... and this ignorance somehow is a blessing in disguise that people think as resilience.

Claiming this ignorance and complacence as "resilience" is just another way of self-delusion, nothing more. Vice is celebrated as virtue.

 

[Menace2Society]

Become proactive rather than reactive and the country will transform.

 

[NakedLunch]

India was already much more developed at partition than the areas that comprise present day Pakistan. In terms of infrastructure we had hardly anything. We had no money, no financial centres nothing really. We have come a long way since then Sure, our development has been skewed and not everything went to plan, very little did. In spite of that we are where we stand- a country that punches far above its size in terms of geo-politics. Look at the wars that have been imposed upon us for the last 70 years both internal and external. We have survived all that. Is there room for improvement? Of course,plenty. But our beginnings were truly humble. we started with nothing.

 

[Salik]

The British gifted us a army. That army is what provides resilience to Pakistan. Take the army out of the equation and Pakistan would tumble like a deck of cards. This is the simple fact.

The ordinary people certainly have proved to be resilient in stubbornly remaining class A dumbs, voting the same corrupt class again and again. Following the same degenerate mullahs decade after decade. Playing to same tired out music for the last 68 years. That is some freekin resilience - if you ask me.

Where was your Gora gifted army when tectonic plates of East Pakistan were slipping away from West Pakistan and lost eventually.

Till people believe in Pakistaniat they'll remain resilient. Where there is element of doubt there is friction.

Pakistaniat is very close to Hussainiat i.e. freedom, liberty and equality. Its opposit is yazeediat.

Currently a yazeedi tolla is trying to cause friction and doubt. Of course they are takfiris, but they are outnumbered by people of Pakistan.

 

[maximuswarrior]

No doubt the most resilient country on the planet. Not many countries would survive such an onslaught. It defies logic. Our enemies have time and again desperately predicted the end. Pakistan wasn't created to end. We can only rise as a nation despite the shortcomings.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Where was your Gora gifted army when tectonic plates of East Pakistan were slipping away from West Pakistan and lost eventually.

It is just a army. It is not a magician nor does it have powers of the almighty. Like I said it's just a army.

But I can bet my bottom dollar when your antecedents were on the run from the baying Hindu bands and you ran from India to Pakistan - what was the shield that was waiting on the Radcliffe Line and protected your posterior from recieving another opening?

The army. That 'gora' gifted army. We have called it the Pak Army from 14th August 1947.

 

[sady]

British no doubt gave a professional outlook to then Indian Army, even though British Army before 1857 was quite an archaic and inconsistent force. The officers were given ranks based on aristocratic connections rather than professional accumen. It changed after war of 1857, atleast in India. The people of Sub continent however are of great soldiering stock. Their heroics in World Wars are well documented and awarded.Good Professional armies need good professional foundations and start together with years of traditions and maturation. Pak Army has gone through maturation before independence as part of Indian Army and still is going through the process. You can see difference in character from as early as Musharraf era.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

British no doubt gave a professional outlook to then Indian Army

It was the the British India Army. Try to get it's name correct please. One prefix can change a meaning entirely. You know what a Indian is. You know what a West Indian is. You know what a American Indian is. You know what a Dutch Indian is. One prefix changes the meaning entirely. I reiterate it was the British Indian Army which was diveded into Pak amnd Indian Armies in 1947.

The people of Sub continent however are of great soldiering stock.

No they are not. The only reason why Pakistan ended up with such a large army was the British had discriminated by choosing only certain areas in all of South Asia to recruit their manpower. Three districts were heavily favoured, Attock, Rawalpindi and Jhelum. In 194 these made Pakistan this all regiments recruited from there went with Pakistan. That is why Rawalpindi was PA HQ right from start.

It was this 'gift' of colonial history that gave Pakistan the resilience and backbone - otherwise no amount of peddling Islam or singing songs in name of Shaheed-e-Millat Liaquat Ali Khan would have saved Pakistan from Nehru's attention.

 

[sady]

It was the the British India Army. Try to get it's name correct please. One prefix can change a meaning entirely. You know what a Indian is. You know what a West Indian is. You know what a American Indian is. You know what a Dutch Indian is. One prefix changes the meaning entirely. I reiterate it was the British Indian Army which was diveded into Pak amnd Indian Armies in 1947.

No they are not. The only reason why Pakistan ended up with such a large army was the British had discriminated by choosing only certain areas in all of South Asia to recruit their manpower. Three districts were heavily favoured, Attock, Rawalpindi and Jhelum. In 194 these made Pakistan this all regiments recruited from there went with Pakistan. That is why Rawalpindi was PA HQ right from start.

It was this 'gift' of colonial history that gave Pakistan the resilience and backbone - otherwise no amount of peddling Islam or singing songs in name of Shaheed-e-Millat Liaquat Ali Khan would have saved Pakistan from Nehru's attention.

Arrogance shows a lot about a person.
Indian is and was used for people from India. Prefix is/was used if other ethnic groups were addressed. Indians were not called British Indian. However you will say West Indian if addressing people from there. Now coming to British Indian Army you are right. You knew the full name. Full marks to you. You cleared such a crucial ambiguity. How would I know , my four gens have not been associated with soldiering or one of my great grand father killed in france ww1 or my grandfather in '71.

Now about the martial race theory, initially British recruited liberally from Bengal, Bihar and Maratha states prior to 1857, they had no issues with their skills when it came to fighting with Tipu Sultan or French but when 90% of Bengali and Bihari etc defected, a rescue party from 'martial races' saved the day and hence heavy recruiting from Punjab and KPK area (now don't say it was NWFP then). Marathas also lost favor. Gorkhas remained in favour. Soldiering skills was not the main reason they recruited heavely from these areas.

 

[The Accountant]

I see your point but don't forget that 'elite' rises from the mass of people. They are us distilled. They are us filtered. Every nation produces the leaders it deserves. Lot of that has to do with the culture we have. Greatness does not flourish in our culture - on the other hand corruption and dupliicity find fertile ground in our land. How sad !

Unfortunately thats not the case in case of sub continent in general and Pakistan in specifically to Pakistan ... at time of british invasion they were few thousands only but they capture areas by making alliance with worst people who betrayed there motherland and people and return of this betrayal britishers alloted them land and made them chaudhey, wadera and khan ... have you ever wondered from where these land lords came ? They were opportunists they provided man power to kill there iwn favour to get land from britishers and britishers were very generous ... crulest the man higher they benefits they gave ...

So all the landlords of that period collabarated and are now have all the power in pakistan ... they are in parliment .. they mostly join judiciary and armed forces ... they are the real establishment ... the only to deal with them is not rule of law as they are the law maker but the rule of justic ... these morons are so much in control of current system that no one can harm them unless we have RS type professionals in every key organization ... but these morons will try everything to not let this happen and will supress all the merit based individuals in the very start ...

So i disagree that the corrupt lot we saw in gov dept ... courts ... parliments and police station are representative of our population ... no they are minorities ...

Non.corrupt people are just silent as of now but once they loose their patience there will nothing left ... no establishment ... no armed forces ... no land lords and probably no country ...

We should be afraid of that day