The Indo-US allianceand Its Implications for Pakistan

[LeGenD]

As you try to milk them they are milking you. The question is who's shrewder? Definitely uncla sam has way more experience in it and therefore, it's safe to assume that somehow uncle sam has more points than Pakistan and that means, in the end Pakistan is the loser. Just one example should be enough: we know that Pakistan has the capability to develop an ICBM but it has refrained from developing so because of pressure from the US. The question is what has Pakistan got in return? Whatever Pakistan has received in return, is it worth the risk? Remember, it takes a long time to develop and deploy a weapon like ICBM. Will Pakistan get the time to deploy sufficient number of it in time if uncle sam ever decides to attack Pakistan's nuclear installations? I know you can say that uncle sam will never do that but don't you think this kind of presumption is very dangerous in a world where we live? I hope Pakistani politicians and generals have correctly made their calculations because definitely the US top dogs have their own calculations and usually their calculations are correct. This is why Hitler lost, Japan lost and finally the USSR lost. Their calculations were all wrong, it's not that they didn't have the opportunity to defeat their conquerors.

US have played a role in strengthening Pakistani security apparatus at times, granted that such aid came during the periods of overlapping interests. Another benefit is removal of sanctions that was a necessary step for opening the doors of economic prosperity in the country.

Point is that a diplomatic relationship with US have its perks. We may not extract much from a diplomatic relationship with the US but it is not wise to start a new chapter of enmity when our hands are already full with one. Pakistan should (economically) stand on its own feet in the long-term and have an independent foreign policy, not sit on the lap of another country.

Moreover, Pakistan have more pressing matters to cater to then the expensive ICBM program; it is not the need of the hour.

 

[T-Rex]

Moreover, Pakistan have more pressing matters to cater to then the expensive ICBM program; it is not the need of the hour.

The US was ready to bomb Pakistan back to stone age for something over which Pakistan had very little control and after something like that how could Pakistan think of other 'pressing matters'? Do you think it wise to waste time and think that it will never happen again? Where do you think Pakistan would be today had it not developed nukes? I'm pretty sure Pakistan had other 'pressing matters' then too other than developing nukes.

That may never happen. US wont ever accept.

The west has already accepted india as a nuclear power, matter of fact, they were never really against india possessing nukes, just like they are not against assrahell having nukes. You have been fooled by what they have been publicly saying. You have too much faith in their 'decent' motive.

 

[kabooter_maila]

RECENTLY, US Defence Secretary Ashton Carter reportedly opened a meeting with senior Pakistani military leaders by declaring: “I must tell you, I am a friend of India.”




@Horus I guess you are referring to this

He was not referring to himself personally he was just articulating the Thinking in the
state department and the Pentagon

BTW this opening remark was aimed to let your delegation know that the TIMES have truly
changed

US will not take its relations with India to a point where it will have to choose one of India or Pakistan. Americans are more interested in safeguarding their interests (mostly economic) while China is emerging as a global economic house. If Americans hope that Indians would challenge Chinese militarily, a big disappointment is waiting for them. I believe Americans are fully in the knowledge of Indian psyche, capabilities, and weaknesses. Americans want to make sure that American companies have the largest share in Indian pie. On the other hand, if Indians are hoping that US will cut off from Pakistan just to appease their deep hatred towards Pakistan, then they are in for a rude shock. As I see it, once CPEC become fully functional, American companies will get impatient and jump to seize the enormous opportunities related to resources in CARs. Americans will never allow Indians to blackmail them for political or whatever reasons.

 

[Hamza913]

At the height of cold war we only had a relation with both France and Israel. It was only after the breakdown of Soviet union and liberalisation of our economy that France and Israel gained much more importance.

Hint :- wonder why more Agoatas weren't made?

It was the support that they gave during our sanctions and 1999 that changed the equations.

After that the relations have been on bloom. Indian army taking part in Bastille day parade and French armed forces coming in Republic day parade.

If not ally then they are surely one of 3 upon whom we can rely.

India can only rely on Russia, Israel and itself.

Why does Russia care for Pakistan ? Even if Pakistan bought 100% of weapons from Russia how much business can you provide them ?

If India started buying from the US for most of its equipment, Pakisran could certainly provide a fine amount of money. However, if both try and compete for Russia, Russia will no doubt choose India as it is the wiser investment.

 

[Airdef95]

The west has already accepted india as a nuclear power, matter of fact, they were never really against india possessing nukes, just like they are not against assrahell having nukes. You have been fooled by what they have been publicly saying. You have too much faith in their 'decent' motive.

To be honest no one is fooled here. Pakistan already knows what game is being planned by the west. And as far as Israel is concerned... I would rather say whole US is being run by the Jews covertly .
US is not a trustworthy ally of Pakistan due to its pro-Isreaeli policies and inclination towards India (only to achieve its goals).
Trust me uncle sam knows how to deal with the so-called regional power.

 

[T-Rex]

To be honest no one is fooled here. Pakistan already knows what game is being planned by the west.

If so why are so many politicians so eager to please the west? Why is it that Pakistan is always in the defensive even when they have evidence of indian terrorism in Pakistan?

 

[Super Falcon]

At the other hand don't forget Russia is reluctant to support India any more time for us to join Russia as ally

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

We've been discussing this topic since 2008 when G.W. Bush's tenure was coming to a close. Enemy of enemy is friend. However the US is quite fool-hardy if they think they can pit india against China - the latter which is far richer and far more powerful militarily/economically and in terms of infrastructure.

You have some people in Washington DC who are beyond delusional - and as blind as certain vested interest groups within South Asia as well.

At the end of the day - the US (especially the Pentagon/CIA) are smart enough to know not to antagonize Pakistan because it will force Pakistan to also take drastic measures. As long as we can maintain some leverage, communication/understanding, exchange programs/liason etc. with Pentagon/Langley - we will be able to steer things in our favour. It's about playing cards right and negotiating.

China is becoming assertive vis-a-vis South China Sea. US is worried about assertive China and sea-lane/air-traffic routes.

 

[cloud4000]

We've been discussing this topic since 2008 when G.W. Bush's tenure was coming to a close. Enemy of enemy is friend. However the US is quite fool-hardy if they think they can pit india against China - the latter which is far richer and far more powerful militarily/economically and in terms of infrastructure.

You talk like India is taking on China alone. Whole point of US wooing India is to join a coalition of countries to contain China.

At the end of the day - the US (especially the Pentagon/CIA) are smart enough to know not to antagonize Pakistan because it will force Pakistan to also take drastic measures. As long as we can maintain some leverage, communication/understanding, exchange programs/liason etc. with Pentagon/Langley - we will be able to steer things in our favour. It's about playing cards right and negotiating.

I don't know what this leverage you are talking about. For a country that receives economic aid, CSF, military aid, and IMF loans from US, I find it hard to believe it has any leverage whatsoever.

 

[Airdef95]

If so why are so many politicians so eager to please the west?

80% of the people join politics to enjoy power and earn money. Much of their inclination towards west is due to their own interests.
The Indians will always have an ache in their hearts for Pakistan since it was born by the division of the land they claim was theirs (veraciously Aryans were foreigners). There is no doubt that RAW has been working and is still working to malign and destabilize Pakistan. 1971 was a part of it.( Now its trying to do it again with Sindh & Balochistan. But that aint gonna happen again.

 

[wiseone2]

India can only rely on Russia, Israel and itself.



If India started buying from the US for most of its equipment, Pakisran could certainly provide a fine amount of money. However, if both try and compete for Russia, Russia will no doubt choose India as it is the wiser investment.

Pakistan has a 2-3 billion budget for military hardware per year. Between China, America and Europe Russians could get maybe a billion dollars in sales. that does not justify losing the Indian market.

80% of the people join politics to enjoy power and earn money. Much of their inclination towards west is due to their own interests.
The Indians will always have an ache in their hearts for Pakistan since it was born by the division of the land they claim was theirs (veraciously Aryans were foreigners). There is no doubt that RAW has been working and is still working to malign and destabilize Pakistan. 1971 was a part of it.( Now its trying to do it again with Sindh & Balochistan. But that aint gonna happen again.

1971 was a self-inflicted wound. please study your history. blaming india is not going to work

 

[Airdef95]

1971 was a self-inflicted wound. please study your history. blaming india is not going to work

Thanks for telling me. I know my history better than you.

 

[Salik]

US usually makes alliance with entities like NATO or ISAF. Pakistan was also a non NATO ally in response to 911. What has happened in SE Asia recently that makes US enter India all by herself. If its CPEC, US will stay here for next thirty years, unless anything happens that makes US irrelevant.

 

[ito]

Indo-US alliance is more to do with China than with Pakistan.

 

[Salik]

Indo-US alliance is more to do with China than with Pakistan.

Without Pakistan, China was in 'limits'. But now it has one leg in Arabian Sea that makes US bring her longer leg in India. Unless China has no intentions to play football in Arabian Sea these legs will stand still. It is possible Amerika kick the ball first and start a match and paralyse both legs of China, one in SCS and other in Arabian Sea. But that won't be in favour of India. So both parties (India and US & Pakistan and China) will keep a check on each other nothing else.