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The Indians HATE Their New Russian-Made Stealth Fighter

New Delhi says Sukhoi T-50 is pricey, sloppy, under-powered


Russia’s new T-50 stealth fighter is fast, maneuverable, heavily-armed and hard to detect on radar. In theory.

But according to Indian air force officials, in practice the Sukhoi-made stealth jet is also too expensive, poorly engineered and powered by old and unreliable engines.

The Indians’ complaints illustrate the yawning gulf between stealth warplane design and the actual production of radar-evading jets. In other words, it’s one thing to sketch an advanced warplane on paper. It’s quite another to build one and get it to work.

All new aerospace development is difficult and many planes get poor reviews early in testing. But the gripes coming out of New Delhi are particularly worrisome for the Russians.

Sukhoi is working on two variants of the T-50—one for Russian use and another for the Indians. The Indian air force has ambitions to purchase 144 of the stealth jets, and the money from this sale underpins the entire T-50 development effort. New Delhi is also kicking in $6 billion for design work.

Without the Indians’ cash, there wouldn’t be a T-50. And Russia would have basically no hope of acquiring a stealth jet to counter the Americans’ F-22s and F-35s and Chinese J-20s and J-31s.



A T-50 suffers an engine flame-out during a 2011 air show. Wikipedia photo

The Russian version of the T-50 is reportedly simpler than the Indian version, which includes Indian avionics and a wider range of compatible weapons. Five Russian T-50 prototypes are flying. The Indian model still exists only on paper.

But that hasn’t stopped the Indian air force from voicing its unhappiness with the T-50. According to transcripts of December and January meetings obtained by Business Standard, air force and defense ministry officials listed at least four “shortfalls … in terms of performance and other technical features”:

The AL-41F engines currently fitted to the T-50 are unreliable. The radar is inadequate. The airframe is poorly built, with serious implications for the jet’s stealth profile. And in light of these defects, $6 billion is too much to pay up front.

According to Business Standard, Russian officials countered, saying the AL-41F engines are a temporary fit until brand-new and more powerful motors can be developed. The radar, too, is temporary—pending new sensors being developed specifically for the Indian version of the warplane.

But the allegations of sloppy construction appear to be particularly serious. Besides posing an accident risk, low-quality construction can result in gaps and mismatched angles that elevate a plane’s radar signature.

Press reports in 2013 indicated that Sukhoi was having problems with quality control in the T-50 effort. At least one of the prototypes needed patches on its wings to keep from falling apart during high-stress maneuvers.

All the same, Business Standard speculates that the Indian complaints could be somewhat politically motivated, as New Delhi is also planning to buy 126 new Rafale fighters from France for an eye-watering total price of $18 billion. Scrapping the T-50 could help India pay for the French jets.
 
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Looks like every news reporting agency has joined the propaganda to enhance their chances of increasing the defence export pie.
 
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The plane even with eyes closed is superior to f35 and j20. 3 AESA radars, 2D TVC, .01 RCS, 2 L BAND RADARS, SUPERCRUISE, SUPERMANEUVERABILITY, ETC. J 20 is still hoping for a 137KN engine that is underdevelopment, we have a 147KN engine and 171KN in the pipeline.

The F35 team is happy that for a change they are not being kicked by press.
 
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well actualli its alla game played by Americans first it fas rafale now its FGFA and owr top IAF officials and Media are on US defense corporatrions payroll

FGFA is a very good jet it has in all 6 ASEA radars (1 main + 2 side mounted +2 on leading edges +1 at the rear) apart from 3D TVC , OLS(IRST) 4 Internal wepons bays and soon will be fitted with 2X171 Kn engines among many other classified stealth enhansing techs

sure as of now its in testing Phase but why will russians or anyone will give india there latest techs just beacause they are giving money for research dont forget its being made in russia by the russians primarilly i guess IAF and MOD should be resonable here
 
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well actualli its alla game played by Americans first it fas rafale now its FGFA and owr top IAF officials and Media are on US defense corporatrions payroll

FGFA is a very good jet it has in all 6 ASEA radars (1 main + 2 side mounted +2 on leading edges +1 at the rear) apart from 3D TVC , OLS(IRST) 4 Internal wepons bays and soon will be fitted with 2X171 Kn engines among many other classified stealth enhansing techs

sure as of now its in testing Phase but why will russians or anyone will give india there latest techs just beacause they are giving money for research dont forget its being made in russia by the russians primarilly i guess IAF and MOD should be resonable here

No rear AESA. 2 wing are L band IFF, 2D TVC (all axis). We already paid money. This will be like SU 30 MKI. First basic model then upgraded one.
 
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No rear AESA. 2 wing are L band IFF, 2D TVC (all axis). We already paid money. This will be like SU 30 MKI. First basic model then upgraded one.
well bro if we want a 5th gen plane then we have to be resonable if you want to be greedy well russians are nut here for charity either if IAF, HAL and MOD had been a bit better in project managemnet LCA MK2 would have been flying in IAF and IN by now + AMCA might be in flight testing phase but we wasted too much time in reinventing the wheel (crying about embargoes and kaveri and radar project) and lost good sienctist to sloppy and corrupt parctises of MOD and IAF ..... you have to buy whats offered if we were so good what was stopping us to make owr own 5Th gen plane heck we after having such a wast pool of enginears and scientists and are still anable to make a decent assault rifle or a hand gun or a arty gun while owr soldiers are dying deu to owr miss mangement i guess IAF and MOD needs a shut up call
 
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well bro if we want a 5th gen plane then we have to be resonable if you want to be greedy well russians are nut here for charity either if IAF, HAL and MOD had been a bit better in project managemnet LCA MK2 would have been flying in IAF and IN by now + AMCA might be in flight testing phase but we wasted too much time in reinventing the wheel (crying about embargoes and kaveri and radar project) and lost good sienctist to sloppy and corrupt parctises of MOD and IAF ..... you have to buy whats offered if we were so good what was stopping us to make owr own 5Th gen plane heck we after having such a wast pool of enginears and scientists and are still anable to make a decent assault rifle or a hand gun or a arty gun while owr soldiers are dying deu to owr miss mangement i guess IAF and MOD needs a shut up call

Bro IAF is cribbing like US does with F 22 (NO OBOGS) and F35 (SUPER COMPLICATED). These buggers will HAVE TO BUY the plane.

J 20 has pathetic engine. Even entire system concept has no clarity. They are buying 137 KN engine from Russia and even then their plane is underpowered.

FEDERAL STATE UNITARY ENTERPRISE «GAS-TURBINE ENGINEERING RESEARCH AND PRODUCTION CENTER «SALUT» | NEWS | NEWS | FSUE “Gas-Turbine Engineering RPC “Salut” has successfully completed the first phase of engine longevity and performance bench tests in view of future deliveries of a new version of AL-31FN Series 3.

fact is 5th Gen is not child's play. Only 2022- 2024 will you see full F 22 like features.
 
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