The Indian election and the lessons the west can take from Narendra Modi's popularity

[dray]

Why Bangladeshis and Pakistanis are soooo much concerned about whom Indians will chose as their PM? What is the reason behind such concern, is it LOVE or FEAR??

 

[SrNair]

It does not matter what you believe.

But if a Muslim or Sikh or Christian does not want to be identified as a Hindu, Your Supreme Court cannot force that label on him. This contrary to any other Nations' idea of Democracy and Social Justice.

No one imposes Hinduism on others.But others are always attracted towards Hinduism.That is its beauty.

Why Bangladeshis and Pakistanis are soooo much concerned about whom Indians will chose as their PM? What is the reason behind such concern, is it LOVE or FEAR??

Fear .And they dont like a rise of a real Indian .Like the article said he is not an anglophone politicians.He is a pure blooded Indian son of soil.

 

[Pakistanisage]

No one imposes Hinduism on others.But others are always attracted towards Hinduism.That is its beauty.

Okay I got it. That is precisely the reason why Hundres of Millions of Hindus left their " Hindu way of life " and became Christians, Sikhs or Muslims. Good Point , Mate.......

 

[SrNair]

Okay I got it. That is precisely the reason why Hundres of Millions of Hindus left their " Hindu way of life " and became Christians, Sikhs or Muslims. Good Point , Mate.......

There is a lot of difference between forced conversion or prompting for a conversion by exploiting economic background of poor Hindus and willfull conversion of Hindus by themselves.
And we also have a lot of Muslims and Chrisitians that prefered Hinduism above their own religion.
where did you get this millions math?Show some proof.And Sikhs dont indulged in such activities
Like I said you guys always like to talk about religion .And you see all things through the religious angle.But I dont blame you .Because as a nation Pakistan is created on the basis of religion.

 

[bronxbull]

Sikhs are different,woh gaai ki mass nahi khate bhai.

 

[Pakistanisage]

There is a lot of difference between forced conversion or prompting for a conversion by exploiting economic background of poor Hindus and willfull conversion of Hindus by themselves.
And we also have a lot of Muslims and Chrisitians that prefered Hinduism above their own religion.
where did you get this millions math?Show some proof.
Like I said you guys always like to talk about religion .And you see all things through the religious angle.But I dont blame you .Because as a nation Pakistan is created on the basis of religion.

Excellent, Mate.

I am so glad that you clarified these confusions of mine and opened my eyes to the real Truth and Reality.

So now, let me be very clear so I can truly understand these " Pearls of Wisdom " coming out your great mind.

All the Hindus that converted to Sikhism, Christianity and Islam were FORCIBLY CONVERTED.

All the Sikhs, Christians and Muslims who converted to Hinduism did so of their own free will and volition.

Got it. How could I have been so blind as to not see this simple fact.

Thank you SREE KUMAR.

P.S. the math is simple Genious, add up all the Indian Muslims, Christians and Sikhs of India and take it back by few centuries.

 

[SrNair]

Excellent, Mate.

I am so glad that you clarified these confusions of mine and opened my eyes to the real Truth and Reality.

So now, let me be very clear so I can truly understand these " Pearls of Wisdom " coming out your great mind.

All the Hindus that converted to Sikhism, Christianity and Islam were FORCIBLY CONVERTED.

All the Sikhs, Christians and Muslims who converted to Hinduism did so of their own free will and volition.

Got it. How could I have been so blind as to not see this simple fact.

Thank you SREE KUMAR.

P.S. the math is simple Genious, add up all the Indian Muslims, Christians and Sikhs of India and take it back by few centuries.

Still you dont get it right.One that embracing Hinduism will always retain their original religion and name .they follow their own traditional beliefs .But now they also have beliefs in Hinduism.I know personally a lot of guys who offer poojas and worship in Hindus temple but they dont do that publicly because that will cause wrath from their own religious fanatics.
But I know a few Hindus that offer worship in mosques or Church publicly but they still retain their Hindu identity.But Hindus doing that is too low .Because ours is Hindu majority country.And we dont have any fear from our own religion.
And your effort to square Sikhs in that league didnt work in India.Sikhs already have a lot of similarities with Hinduism .Till recently I have also a belief that Sikhs is a distant branch of Hinduism.But they dont even think about conversions seriously .

 

[fallstuff]

Hitler "Modi-fied"

By Shehzad Poonawalla

12 May, 2014
Countercurrents.org

My dear Indian voters,

Here is a simple exercise. Try it out. For the next five minutes please read the following few character, personality and political-traits and do try to guess which prominent politician is being referred to. Trust me, the answer will surprise many of you.

Hint 1: One-Man Party
He establishes full control over his party, creates a personality cult surrounding him & forces the hands of his party's Executive Committee, many of who believe he is too overbearing, into electing him as their undisputed leader. In the process, he completely sidelines, his mentor & founder of the party to a symbolic post who ultimately resigns.

Hint 2: Emergence as a panacea for all ills
This is the reason often attributed to his rise....
"Of crucial significance is the widespread feeling that the political system and leadership is utterly bankrupt. In such conditions, the image of a dynamic, energetic, 'youthful' leader offering a decisive change of direction and backed by an army of fanatical followers is not altogether unattractive. Many with grave doubts are prepared to give him a chance. "
Hint 3: Anti-meat eating propaganda
A die-hard vegetarian, he believes more than ever that meat-eating is harmful to humanity and intends to tackle this problem also. Plans to introduce policies to cut back meat-consumption.
Hint 4: Invoking his "humble" origins
He was surely the poorest of us all. For lunch, he chose the cheapest item on the menu. But I never heard him complain, he never spoke of his poverty. Yet he had known poverty since his youth. As the others thought about their families, about their possessions and their money, he preached the battle for freedom.

Hint 5: Using speeches with catchy phrases
His inordinate use of trigger words helps him to maintain the support and attention of his audiences and allows them to get exceedingly excited about his speeches. These words add to his tactics of persuasion by creating word association. When referring to his country, he uses words that convey strength. When speaking about his opponents, he uses words that allude to weakness.

Hint 6: Controlling free-media
Some independent newspapers, particularly conservative newspapers and non-political illustrated weeklies, accommodated themselves to the leadership through self-censorship or initiative in dealing with approved topics. Journalists or editors who failed to follow these instructions are fired. Rather than suppressing news, the propaganda apparatus instead seeks to tightly control its flow and interpretation and to deny access to alternative sources of news.

Hint 7: Believing he is chosen by God for a "divine" mission
He says "I carry out the commands that Providence has laid upon me."

Hint 8 : His wealthy friends fund his political campaign Prominent businessmen and industrialists financed his campaign and ascendency to power. See the whose-who of the capitalist class that funds his activities.

Hint 9: Makes promises galore
He promises riddance from inflation, corruption and unemployment, higher prices to farmers, profits to businessmen, economic development to the middle-class and restoration of the nation to its "rightful" place in the world. T he master speech maker offers them what they need most, encouragement. He gives them heaps of vague promises while avoiding the details. He uses simple catchphrases, repeated over and over.
Hint 10: Suffers from Fatal Narcissism
"It depends essentially on me, on my being, on my political skills," he says to his supporters.

Hint 11: His election posters & manifesto carry overt religious symbols and are centred only around himself, with only his picture appearing prominently. What was your answer? It wasn't Adolf Hitler? Who were you thinking about?

Well, all I can say is that you clearly read too much in-between the lines. For those who are inclined towards research, I am quoting the various sources from which I have culled out Hitler's traits.

For the rest, let me just leave you with this one theme Hitler often employed while dishing out his speeches to a hypnotised Germany while campaigning for power - " Besser morgen " which roughly means "better tomorrow" or as we in India like to say "Ache Din Aane wale hain" Source 1: Hitler had sidelined his mentor Anton Drexler
https://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Anton_Drexler.html

Source 2: Ian Kershaw in "The Hitler Myth" published in History Today describes how h istoric attachments to heroic leadership combined with a mastery of propaganda techniques were used to mesmerise Germany into acceptance of the charismatic authority offered by the Nazi 'Fuhrer'.
http://www.historytoday.com/ian-kershaw/hitler-myth

Source 3: In a diary entry dated April 26, 1942, Joseph Goebbels described Hitler as a committed vegetarian, writing,
"An extended chapter of our talk was devoted by the Führer to the vegetarian question. He believes more than ever that meat-eating is harmful to humanity. Of course he knows that during the war we cannot completely upset our food system. After the war, however, he intends to tackle this problem also. Maybe he is right. Certainly the arguments that he adduces in favor of his standpoint are very compelling."

http://alphahistory.com/nazigermany/nazi-germany-trivia/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler_and_vegetarianism

Source 4: A quote from the archives of Hitler's propaganda
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/tatsachenundluegen.htm

Source 5: Hitler's persuasive methods uncovered
http://joshwilmoth.hubpages.com/hub/Adolf-Hitlers-Tremendous-Persuasive-Ability

Source 6: THE PRESS IN THE THIRD REICH
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007655

Source 7: " Hitler As he believes himself to be" compiled by Dr Stein
Hitler As he believes himself to be: OSS Psychological Profile

Source 8: "Who financed Hitler" by Antony Sutton http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/chapter_07.htm

Source 9:
http://spartacus-educational.com/GERunemployment.htm
http://www.writework.com/essay/germany-and-its-support-hitler
http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/elect.htm

Source 10: " The Führer Myth: How Hitler Won Over the German People" By Ian Kershaw http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/the-fuehrer-myth-how-hitler-won-over-the-german-people-a-531909-5.html

Source 11: Posters of Hitler during his election campaign http://www.bytwerk.com/gpa/posters/dragon.jpg
http://www.bytwerk.com/gpa/posters/nur.jpg
http://www.bytwerk.com/gpa/posters/hitler.jpg

I dedicate this article to Shri Mukul Sinha, whose loss will leave a great void in the avenue of civil rights and human rights activism. May his soul rest in peace.May his ultimate goal of Justice for victims of 2002 Gujarat riots be fulfilled.

Shehzad Poonawalla is a 1st generation, self-made, 26 year old, lawyer-activist engaged in politics and civil rights movement. Muslim by faith, Indian by conviction, Secularist by ideology and a committed Constitutionalist. Youngest Additional Private Secretary to Ministry of Parliamentary Affairs, Govt of India. Always ready to fight a battle, on the streets or in theTV studios. Fear nothing and nobody.

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And give away my game plan. I don't think so.

Nice Work.

Modi Idolizes Hitler. However, India is not Germany, so he doesn't post much of a threat outwards, however, he poses substantial threat to minority folks through his inactions.

So to the Indians that belong to minority, if you are yearning for meals cooked with beef, now is the time to get your fill. Once Modi comes to power, " No more beef for you"

 

[liall]

Hitler too was a very Popular leader and was known for Good Governance and getting things done. Under Hitler German Economy boomed and he accumulated war machinery and prepared Germany for War. But sadly within a decade Germany self destructed under Hitler.

Modi has all the qualities of Hitler. Hitler victimized Jews and Modi wants to ethnically cleanse India of Bangladeshi and Indian Muslims. Just like Hitler Modi is a Nationalist who wants an India for his People only i.e. Hindus.

you are so incorrect. if that was to happen muslims all over India would be rioting right about now. all i see around me is peace

 

[takeiteasy]

Hitler too was a very Popular leader

Actually, the founder of RSS - Hedgewar's mentor visited Mussolini and Monkey parivar is surely influenced by these fascists.

The RSS drew ideological inspiration from the (then) recently triumphant Fascist movement led by Mussolini (the Fasci di Combattimento had taken power in Italy by 1924). K.B. Hedgewar, the founder of RSS, was greatly influenced by B.S. Moonje, his mentor, who had traveled to Italy to meet with Mussolini and study Fascism. Moonje played a crucial role in molding the RSS along fascist lines and was deeply impressed by the vision of the fascist organizations. He recorded in his diary:
The idea of fascism vividly brings out the conception of unity amongst people... India and particularly Hindu Indians need some such institution for the military regeneration of the Hindus: so that the artificial distinction so much emphasized by the British of martial and non–martial classes amongst the Hindus may disappear… Our institution of Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh of Nagpur under Dr. Hedgewar is of this kind, though quite independently conceived. I will spend the rest of my life in developing and extending this Institution of Dr. Hedgewar all throughout Maharashtra and other provinces.86

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Historian Stanley Payne in the 1990s claimed that a prominent and Hindu nationalist militant movement Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) holds strong resemblances to fascism - including its use of paramilitaries and its irredentist claims - calling for the creation of a Greater India.[142] Cyprian Blamires in World Fascism: A Historical Encyclopedia describes the ideology of the RSS as "fascism with 'Sanskrit characters'" - a unique Indian variant of fascism.[143] Blamires notes that there is evidence that the RSS held direct contact with Italy's Fascist regime and admired European fascism.[143

wiki source(but with citations):
Fascism and ideology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The BJP has a very interesting history --- officially formed in 1980, its history can be traced much further back to the pre-1947 era when Hindu nationalists not only demanded an independent India, but one completely dominated by Hindus.

The current BJP is the successor of the Bharatiya Jana Sangh (BJS) party, which itself was the political arm of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, a group that espoused openly militant Hindu activism and the suppression of minorities in India.

The RSS was founded in 1925 by Keshav Baliram Hedgewar, a doctor from the central Indian town of Nagpur in Maharashtra, who agitated for both independence from the British crown and the strict segregation of Hindus and Muslims.

What may surprise many in the West is that some of the most prominent figures of RSS deeply admired Fascism and Nazism, the two totalitarian movements that swept through Europe at the time.

Hindu Nationalist’s Historical Links to Nazism and Fascism

So to the Indians that belong to minority, if you are yearning for meals cooked with beef, now is the time to get your fill. Once Modi comes to power, " No more beef for you"

Modi can do nothing. we will be eating beef as we did for centuries(Kerala).

 

[SrNair]

Actually, the founder of RSS - Hedgewar's mentor visited Mussolini and Monkey parivar is surely influenced by these fascists.

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wiki source(but with citations):
Fascism and ideology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hindu Nationalist’s Historical Links to Nazism and Fascism


Modi can do nothing. we will be eating beef as we did for centuries(Kerala).

You can do nothing RSS will expand again and again.May be Hindus in Kerala are tolerated guys and we dont interested in quarrels.But we dont forget what your mens did in Marad with Pakistani help.A police officer who enquired that case is now reveled that Muslim league youth wing leader was conspired with Pakistani agent before this riots and your Congress govt protected culprits.
I know a lot Hindus who got membership in RSS after this incident.You guys try to alert us.
But that single riot cause the largest ever expanding of RSS in kerala.

 

[newdelhinsa]

Say what you will but the resemblance between Modi and Hitler are striking.

Both believe in " Ethnic Cleansing ", Hitler wanted to Ethnically cleanse Germany of Jews and Modi wants to ethnically cleanse India of Muslims.

Both based their Popularity on Hatred of other People.

Interestingly enough Hitler's Swastika is actually a Hindu Symbol.

The fact that Modi praises Hitler and considers him his Spiritual Father is the most damning of all Evidence.

Modi = Hitler . Case Closed.

I have put you on my ignore and your sin is not being a troll but a professional. From godwin's law to attacking hindu symbol, your post have nothing to contribute but is a high school drop out level propaganda.

Please say you don't give a **** being ignored by an indian and help me end this discourse i started because of deceptive rank of yours.

Thanks