The incredibly bloody Safavid conversion of Iran to Shia Islam

[SALMAN F]

Yes I Can Understand You Approving This Policy Of Safavids Since Your Christian Bretheren Have Had A History Of Doing This In Latin America and Spain.It Is Obvious That You Can Relate

And the Sunnis did this to your ancestors

Google search:the Islamic conquest of India the bloodiest in history

 

[Shah Khalid]

I was told a thousand times by multiple moderate pakistanis in sincere tone that there is NO SUCH THING AS FORCED RELIGIOUS CONVERSION!!!!!

And Yes There Is No Such Thing "FORCED RELIGIOUS CONVERSION"

Verse (ayah) 256 of Al-Baqara Clearly States

"There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion"

Don't Conflate The Actions of People With Religion

BTW Many Hindus Have Said That There Is No Such Thing As Conversion In Hinduism Then How Do You Explain Ghar Wapsi

And the Sunnis did this to your ancestors

Google search:the Islamic conquest of India the bloodiest in history

You're An Even Bigger Idiot Then I Thought If You Had Any Idea I Am A Shia From Gilgit Baltistan

I Would Rather Google
"Bloody Spanish Conquest of New World"

800 Years Of Muslim Rule and Still There Are Over A Billion Hindus On The Other Hand On The Other Hand Ancient Native American Religion Ceases To Exist

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

Since when are Kurds Iranians?
It makes no sense what you say.

Iranic peoples.
The Iranian peoples include Baloch, Kurds, Gilaks, Lurs, Mazanderanis, Ossetians, Pashtuns, Pamiris, Persians, Tajiks, Talysh people, Wakhis and Yaghnobis. Their current distribution spreads across the Iranian plateau, and stretches from the Caucasus in the north to the Persian Gulf in the south, and from Xinjiang in the east to eastern Turkey in the west[16]—a region that is sometimes called the Iranian cultural continent, and represents the extent of the Iranian languages and significant influence of the Iranian peoples through the geopolitical reach of Greater Iran.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_peoples

 

[Dai Toruko]

Iranic peoples.
The Iranian peoples include Baloch, Kurds, Gilaks, Lurs, Mazanderanis, Ossetians, Pashtuns, Pamiris, Persians, Tajiks, Talysh people, Wakhis and Yaghnobis. Their current distribution spreads across the Iranian plateau, and stretches from the Caucasus in the north to the Persian Gulf in the south, and from Xinjiang in the east to eastern Turkey in the west[16]—a region that is sometimes called the Iranian cultural continent, and represents the extent of the Iranian languages and significant influence of the Iranian peoples through the geopolitical reach of Greater Iran.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_peoples

Don't talk bullshit.
At that time there was no Iranic peoples.
The state of Iran is not even 100 years old.

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You can say Persians exist at the time.
But kurds are also no persians.

 

[Full Moon]

Iranic peoples.
The Iranian peoples include Baloch, Kurds, Gilaks, Lurs, Mazanderanis, Ossetians, Pashtuns, Pamiris, Persians, Tajiks, Talysh people, Wakhis and Yaghnobis. Their current distribution spreads across the Iranian plateau, and stretches from the Caucasus in the north to the Persian Gulf in the south, and from Xinjiang in the east to eastern Turkey in the west[16]—a region that is sometimes called the Iranian cultural continent, and represents the extent of the Iranian languages and significant influence of the Iranian peoples through the geopolitical reach of Greater Iran.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_peoples

That's perhaps similar to saying "Semitic people". While there is some truth to it, it doesn't cancel all the obvious big differences among the people you mentioned. Nationalism and any zeal or denial that comes with it can't simply overlook or ignore well-established facts on ground.

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

Don't talk bullshit.
At that time there was no Iranic peoples.
The state of Iran is not even 100 years old.

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You can say Persians exist at the time.
But persians are also no kurds.

Indo-Iranian peoples are 4000-5000 years old:
Proto-Indo-Iranian or Proto-Indo-Iranic[1] is the reconstructed proto-language of the Indo-Iranian/Indo-Iranic branch of Indo-European. Its speakers, the hypothetical Proto-Indo-Iranians, are assumed to have lived in the late 3rd millennium BC.

Iran as a country is 2000 years old, there was no turkey back then.

The term Iran derives directly from Middle Persian Ērān, first attested in a 3rd-century inscription at Rustam Relief, with the accompanying Parthian inscription using the term Aryān, in reference to Iranians.[38] The Middle Iranian ērān and aryān are oblique plural forms of gentilic ēr- (Middle Persian) and ary- (Parthian), both deriving from Proto-Iranian *arya-(meaning "Aryan", i.e. "of the Iranians"),[38][39] argued to descend from Proto-Indo-European *ar-yo-, meaning "skillful assembler".[40]

The terms Eranshahr () and Eran were in use in Sasanian Iran. From early Sasanian era (Ardashir I and Shapur I's elaborations), as a designation of their land they adopted Ērān-šahr “Empire of the Iranians” and this served as the official name of their country.

Beside the royal title, the term "Eran" was also used as an abbreviation of "Eranshahr" and referred to the empire in the early Sasanian era.

Indeed kurds are not persians, but both are Iranian peoples, like how swedes and norwegians are both germanic peoples.

 

[wiseone2]

How can you forcefully convert some one and make their generations abide by?
What rubbish non sense is this?
Mutilate any people to convert them to one set of belief they may accept them in your face but they will never follow them by heart and there generations will revert back to origins.
Religion is spread through preaching.

These Hate filled Salafis take the same lesson out of books of IslamoPhobes that Muslims Somehow converted millions of people forcefully to Islam making them abandoning their religion.
And apply it in there sectarian hatred.

Next time non of you hate filled sectarian Stalwarts argue with Indians when they will claim that Islam was spread by forcefull conversian in Subcontinent. Disgusting

Let us be clear ...
You are a Muslim because you are born to a Muslim parent

 

[raptor22]

Don't talk bullshit.
At that time there was no Iranic peoples.
The state of Iran is not even 100 years old.

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You can say Persians exist at the time.
But kurds are also no persians.

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

That's perhaps similar to saying "Semitic people". While there is some truth to it, it doesn't cancel all the obvious big differences among the people you mentioned. Nationalism and any zeal or denial that comes with it can't simply overlook or ignore well-established facts on ground.

There was political cooperation/unity among Iranian peoples in the past + self-designation as Iranians by these people (not a term (invented) nowadays to refer to a linguistic group or to apply for a group of related nations)

 

[Full Moon]

There was political cooperation/unity among Iranian peoples in the past + self-designation as Iranians by these people (not a term (invented) nowadays to refer to a linguistic group or to apply for a group of related nations)

It is also a convenient term for Persian nationalists to try to suppress any ethnic peculiarity demands within Iran. Otherwise, it doesn't need a lot of intelligence to realize that Baluch and Kurds have a thousand difference than an average Isfahani or Yazdi Persian.

 

[Dai Toruko]

Indeed kurds are not persians, but both are Iranian peoples, like how swedes and norwegians are both germanic peoples.

This can be discussed.
If you go so far back into the past, then we all come from Adam and Eva.

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

It is also a convenient term for Persian nationalists to try to suppress any ethnic peculiarity demands within Iran. Otherwise, it doesn't need a lot of intelligence to realize that Baluch and Kurds have a thousand difference than an average Isfahani or Yazdi Persian.

It's a reality, based on credible sources. No one can deny that Iran is an old country, not an invention of recent times or post-ottoman era.
What is done with this reality is not relevant.
Comparing situation of Iranian kurds to syrian or turkish kurds (now and last decades) or Iraqi kurds (during saddam era), then we can say that this so called suppression of kurds in Iran is an invention made by enemies of Iran.

 

[veg]

IslamQA is an extremist website, don't bother looking to them for answers.

Brother, please note:

1) Islam q&a is official Saudi Mufti Al-Munjid's website.
It is the biggest Fatwa Website.
It has the largest Muslim Following.
It is against ISIS and alQaida.
None of UNO, US, Europe put sanctions on them them for being extremist.

2) Please look in the detailed fatwa, where they gave the proofs from Quran and Hadith.

3) Here is the Quranic Verse, which revealed in 9th Hijri and final orders were to kill all the polytheists if they don't accept Islam.

[al-Tawbah 9:5]
“Then when the Sacred Months (the 1st, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikoon (see V.2:105) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush. But if they repent [by rejecting Shirk (polytheism) and accept Islamic Monotheism] and perform As-Salaah (Iqaamat-as-Salaah), and give Zakaah, then leave their way free. Verily, Allaah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful”​

4) Not only Islam q&a is saying it, but it was the fatwa of all Muslim Jurists in the past that Prophet and Sahaba killed all the Polytheists after the revelation of this verse.

5) Please read the book by Moderate Ghamidi where he is telling that Shafi, Ahmad bin Hanbal, Ibn Hazm.... all agreed upon it.

http://www.javedahmadghamidi.com/books/view/fiqhi-riwayat-ka-irtiqa-part-1

There are traditions in Sahih Bukhari where Kuffar Religious leaders in one of their religious temple were slaughtered after the revelation of this verse.

6)

IslamQA is an extremist website, don't bother looking to them for answers.

Brother, please note:

1) Islam q&a is official Saudi Mufti Al-Munjid's website.
It is the biggest Fatwa Website.
It has the largest Muslim Following.
It is against ISIS and alQaida.
None of UNO, US, Europe put sanctions on them them for being extremist.

2) Please look in the detailed fatwa, where they gave the proofs from Quran and Hadith.

3) Here is the Quranic Verse, which revealed in 9th Hijri and final orders were to kill all the polytheists if they don't accept Islam.

[al-Tawbah 9:5]
“Then when the Sacred Months (the 1st, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikoon (see V.2:105) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush. But if they repent [by rejecting Shirk (polytheism) and accept Islamic Monotheism] and perform As-Salaah (Iqaamat-as-Salaah), and give Zakaah, then leave their way free. Verily, Allaah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful”​

4) Not only Islam q&a is saying it, but it was the fatwa of all Muslim Jurists in the past that Prophet and Sahaba killed all the Polytheists after the revelation of this verse.

5) Please read the book by Moderate Ghamidi where he is telling that Shafi, Ahmad bin Hanbal, Ibn Hazm.... all agreed upon it.

http://www.javedahmadghamidi.com/books/view/fiqhi-riwayat-ka-irtiqa-part-1

There are traditions in Sahih Bukhari where Kuffar Religious leaders in one of their religious temple were slaughtered after the revelation of this verse.

6) ISIS took Jizya from Christians, but they didn't take Jizya from Yazidies and killed them or made them and their women slaves. It was due to this verse of Quran.

7) Also read Tafsir Ibn Kathir where he is writing exactly the same thing which has been mentioned by Islam q&a

بل هي منسوخة بآية القتال، وإنه يجب أن يدعى جميع الأمم إلى الدخول في الدين الحنيف، دين الإسلام، فإن أبى أحد منهم الدخول فيه، ولم ينقد له، أو يبذل الجزية، قوتل حتى يقتل، وهذامعنى الإكراه، قال الله تعالى { سَتُدْعَوْنَ إِلَىٰ قَوْمٍ أُوْلِى بَأْسٍ شَدِيدٍ تُقَـٰتِلُونَهُمْ أَوْ يُسْلِمُونَ } [الفتح: 16] وقال تعالى: { يَٰأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّبِىُّ جَـٰهِدِ ٱلْكُفَّـٰرَ وَٱلْمُنَـٰفِقِينَ وَٱغْلُظْ عَلَيْهِمْ } [التوبة: 73] وقال تعالى: { يَٰأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ قَاتِلُواْ ٱلَّذِينَ يَلُونَكُمْ مِّنَ ٱلْكُفَّارِ وَلِيَجِدُواْ فِيكُمْ غِلْظَةً وَٱعْلَمُوۤاْ أَنَّ ٱللَّهَ مَعَ ٱلْمُتَّقِينَ }[التوبة: 123] وفي الصحيح: " عجب ربك من قوم يقادون إلى الجنة في السلاسل " يعني: الأسارى الذين يقدم بهم بلاد الإسلام في الوثائق والأغلال والقيود والأكبال، ثم بعد ذلك يسلمون، وتصلح أعمالهم وسرائرهم، فيكونون من أهل الجنة.

Here Ibn Kathir telling that after the revelation of Verses of Surah Tauba, then verse of "There is no Compulsion in Religion لا اکراہ فی الدین has been abrogated, and now the order is to kill the polytheists if they don't accept Islam, while Ahl-e-Kitaab are allowed to pay Jizyah and save their life.

 

[Zhukov]

Let us be clear ...
You are a Muslim because you are born to a Muslim parent

Beacuse my Grand Father on both maternal and paternal sides loved the religion they follow. And remembered there grand fathers also loved it.
If there was anything Forcefull about it for which any of my grandfathers had resisted. I would not have been a muslim.
BTW i am a rajpuit and i know my Ancestors right uptill the name when our line accepted Islam from Hinduism. Inspired by a Muslim Saint not by force. I know where you are going.
Love of the religion is the only thing that adheres the followers.
I saw my parents following this faith. They taught me. When i got indipendent and adult i started readung about it and practice it.

Forcefull conversion is a myth that only idiots can believe in.

 

[313ghazi]

Beacuse my Grand Father on both maternal and paternal sides loved the religion they follow. And remembered there grand fathers also loved it.
If there was anything Forcefull about it for which any of my grandfathers had resisted. I would not have been a muslim.
BTW i am a rajpuit and i know my Ancestors right uptill the name when our line accepted Islam from Hinduism. Inspired by a Muslim Saint not by force. I know where you are going.
Love of the religion is the only thing that adheres the followers.
I saw my parents following this faith. They taught me. When i got indipendent and adult i started readung about it and practice it.

Forcefull conversion is a myth that only idiots can believe in.

Bai saab you can't argue with ignorant people. I've met Persians so proud of thier heritage you'd think they still worship the sun. Similarly there are Arabs who talk as if thier ancestors didn't Bury thier daughters whilst they tell desi folk about thier hindu heritage.

Frankly unless you are syeds your ancestors probably followed some form of kufr. Alhamdulillah with the blessings of Allah swt they found the deen and today we can proudly say we are Muslim.

No man is responsible for the sin of another. When one accepts Islam they are cleansed of all past sins. There is no shame in anyones past.