The incredibly bloody Safavid conversion of Iran to Shia Islam

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

Who??

I think he means Safavids/Shah Ismail.

wrong
It only shows that the Turks have divided the Islamic world into two.
Uzun Hasan (Oghuz Turk) is the grand father of I. Ismail.
Uzun Hasan was the leader of the Aq Qoyunlu Empire.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uzun_Hasan

From father side they were Iranian.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safavid_dynasty_family_treehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safavid_dynasty_family_tree
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firuz-Shah_Zarrin-Kolah

From mother side they were a mix of turkic, georgians, circassian, greek, mazandarani..

 

[Dai Toruko]

I think he means Safavids/Shah Ismail.


From father side they were Iranian.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safavid_dynasty_family_treehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safavid_dynasty_family_tree
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firuz-Shah_Zarrin-Kolah

From mother side they were a mix of turkic, georgians, circassian, greek, mazandarani..

Do not tell fairy tales.
Father side Shaykh Haydar and grandfather Shaykh Junayd were not Iranian.
Look at their ancestors Firuz Shah( Kurdish) and Ardabili (Turkish), Din Musa (Turkish).

 

[Sina-1]

Do not tell fairy tales.
Father side Shaykh Haydar and grandfather Shaykh Junayd were not Iranian.
Look at their ancestors Firuz Shah( Kurdish) and Ardabili (Turkish), Din Musa (Turkish).

It's funny that Turks say Iran is ruled by Turks, arabs say Iran is ruled by arabs, Kurds say Iran is ruled be Kurds etc etc. these mono-ethnic people don't understand what Iran is. Let them dream.

 

[Dai Toruko]

It's funny that Turks say Iran is ruled by Turks, arabs say Iran is ruled by arabs, Kurds say Iran is ruled be Kurds etc etc. these mono-ethnic people don't understand what Iran is. Let them dream.

Because it was so.
Look at today's Iran: Ali Khamenei azeri turk too.

 

[Sina-1]

Because it was so.
Look at today's Iran: Ali Khamenei azeri turk too.

It's useless to try to talk sense to the senseless. You see the color of his turban? It means he is a direct descendant of the prophet. Try to understand that Iran is MULTI-ethnic, e.g. I am Iranian first, azari second. I imagine that is hard for you to understand since the name of your country represents one of the two major ethnic groups you have.


Also be respectful and don't call me and my people Turkic. Our ethnicity is not Turkic. We speak Turkish but we are not a Turkic people.

"Azeri people who live in Iran were found to possess DNA types also found among Iranian peoples (especially the Iranians of Iran) and other peoples of the Caucasus. Their most common mtDNA haplogroups are H (25.57%) and U (20.3%), followed by T (11.28%), J (11.28%), and HV (9.77%).

Azeris are a mixture of Caucasians, Iranians, Near Easterners, Europeans, and Turkmens, in that order of importance.
"


http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/azeris.html

 

[Dai Toruko]

It's useless to try to talk sense to the senseless. You see the color of his turban? It means he is a direct descendant of the prophet. Try to understand that Iran is MULTI-ethnic, e.g. I am Iranian first, azari second. I imagine that is hard for you to understand since the name of your country represents one of the two major ethnic groups you have.


Also be respectful and don't call me and my people Turkic. Our ethnicity is not Turkic. We speak Turkish but we are not a Turkic people.

"Azeri people who live in Iran were found to possess DNA types also found among Iranian peoples (especially the Iranians of Iran) and other peoples of the Caucasus. Their most common mtDNA haplogroups are H (25.57%) and U (20.3%), followed by T (11.28%), J (11.28%), and HV (9.77%).

Azeris are a mixture of Caucasians, Iranians, Near Easterners, Europeans, and Turkmens, in that order of importance.
"


http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/azeris.html

You are just a false flag.
Özünü unutan benliğini kaybeder.

 

[Muhammed45]

What is the point of this article?
Ain't we already fed up with sectarianism?

My grandfather's mother was a Georgian Sunni , the point , we can live peacefully.
Safavids were an empire as well as Ottomans and every kingdom had good and bad points, for sake of our survival let's put those differences aside.
Leave religious debates to Mullahs LOL, i love my prophet PBUH, am a Shia and always respect Sunni sanctities.

 

[Sina-1]

You are just a false flag.
Özünü unutan benliğini kaybeder.

Difficult to argue against logic and FACT isn't it?

 

[Dai Toruko]

Difficult to argue against logic and FACT isn't it?

Benimle türkçe konuş, konuşamıyorsan tükürdügünü yala.
Acem palavrasına karnım tok...

edit
You can't speak turkish. Don't lie.

 

[313ghazi]

Shia Iran is a Boon for non muslim countries on geopolitical front.

There lies your answer about right and wrong. Who are the enemies of Muslims siding with? Here they are describing Iran as a boon. Others with describe Saudi as a strategic ally, a friend etc etc. The safavids and ottomans and mughals are gone, we are left, we should look to see who is around us, not just who was around us.

This Shia Sunni rift is nothing.

It seems that itself the history of religion of Islam was much more ruthless than any Sunni/Shia/Safawi/ISIS.

Initially the Sharia Laws (dealing with Non-Muslims) were lenient. But in 9th year of Hijri, when Islam completely dominated, then Sharia Laws became ruthless. New orders came which were as under:

1) Only Jews and Christians (Ahle Kitab) are allowed to pay Jizya and save their lives by doing so.

2) But Kuffar were not even allowed to pay Jizya. They either had to accept Islam, or they would be slaughtered.

Here you can read the whole details.

https://islamqa.info/en/34770

So whoever refuses to enter Islam should be fought when the Muslims are able to fight, until they either enter Islam or pay the jizyah if they are among the people who may pay jizyah. The kuffaar should be compelled to enter Islam if they are not people from whom the jizyah may be taken, because that will lead to their happiness and salvation in this world and in the Hereafter. Obliging a person to adhere to the truth in which is guidance and happiness is better for him than falsehood. Just as a person may be forced to do the duty that he owes to other people even if that is by means of imprisonment or beating, so forcing the kaafirs to believe in Allaah alone and enter into the religion of Islam is more important and more essential, because this will lead to their happiness in this world and in the Hereafter. ....​

For more details, go to the above mentioned link.

IslamQA is an extremist website, don't bother looking to them for answers.

What is the point of this article?
Ain't we already fed up with sectarianism?

My grandfather's mother was a Georgian Sunni , the point , we can live peacefully.
Safavids were an empire as well as Ottomans and every kingdom had good and bad points, for sake of our survival let's put those differences aside.
Leave religious debates to Mullahs LOL, i love my prophet PBUH, am a Shia and always respect Sunni sanctities.

This brother is 100% correct. He is on the path of haq.

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

Do not tell fairy tales.
Father side Shaykh Haydar and grandfather Shaykh Junayd were not Iranian.
Look at their ancestors Firuz Shah( Kurdish) and Ardabili (Turkish), Din Musa (Turkish).

Safi-ad-din was of Kurdish origins. According to Minorsky, Sheykh Safi al-Din's ancestor Firuz-shah was a rich man, lived in Gilan and then Kurdish kings gave him Ardabil and its dependencies. Minorsky refers to Sheykh Safi al-Din's claims tracing back his origins to Ali ibn Abu Talib, but expresses uncertainty about this.

The male lineage of the Safavid family given by the oldest manuscript of the Safwat as-Safa is:"(Shaykh) Safi al-Din Abul-Fatah Ishaaq the son of Al-Shaykh Amin al-din Jebrail the son of al-Saaleh Qutb al-Din Abu Bakr the son of Salaah al-Din Rashid the son of Muhammad al-Hafiz al-Kalaam Allah the son of Javaad the son of Pirooz al-Kurdi al-Sanjani (Piruz Shah Zarin Kolah the Kurd of Sanjan)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safi-ad-din_Ardabili

You're admitting yourself that they were Iranians.

 

[Full Moon]

The Safavids rise is the Islamic civilization's equivalent of the Western "Great Schism". Iranians were religiously similar to %85 of today's Muslims until this ruling dynasty came to power. Amazingly, the Safavids dynasty had only 6 kings. They relied on the terrorism of the barbaric Qazilbash forces to spread a minority view among Muslims, namely the twelver Shiasim. Their ruling model was that the forceful conversion will ensure that they will forever take the natives of Iranian plateau as hostages to their rule, so they will forever fight all outsiders on sectarian basis.

 

[Dai Toruko]

You're admitting yourself that they were Iranians.

Since when are Kurds Iranians?
It makes no sense what you say.

 

[TheCamelGuy]

The Safavids rise is the Islamic civilization's equivalent of the Western "Great Schism". Iranians were religiously similar to %85 of today's muslims until his ruling dynasty came to power. Amazingly, the Safavids dynasty had only 6 kings. They relied on the terrorsim of the barbaric Qazilbash forces to spread a minority view among muslims, namly the twelver Shiasim. Their ruling model was that the forcful conversion will ensure that they will forever take the natives of Iranian plateau as hostages to their rule as they will forever fight all outsiders on secetarian basis.

They're shit, so is your side. Trash on both sides.

 

[Shah Khalid]

It was the best thing the Safavids did,they saved iran from Sunni terrorism just like how al saud converted the Arabian peninsula to Wahhabism

Yes I Can Understand You Approving This Policy Of Safavids Since Your Christian Bretheren Have Had A History Of Doing This In Latin America and Spain.It Is Obvious That You Can Relate