The ideological state

[Solomon2]

Asma Jahangir files petition against death sentences by military courts

What she did was submit a legal petition asking if the rights of the accused had been preserved under the law. When you object to this, what you're really objecting to liberty: that citizens should be able to exercise their rights and freedoms under the law, without additional constraints imposed at the whim of officials. Fighting for such liberty was the primary justification for the American Revolution.

 

[Psychic]

What she did was submit a legal petition asking if the rights of the accused had been preserved under the law. When you object to this, what you're really objecting to liberty: that citizens should be able to exercise their rights and freedoms under the law, without additional constraints imposed at the whim of officials. Fighting for such liberty was the primary justification for the American Revolution.

They were preserved, under the law is key word and we all know that law is different for terrorists after the 21st amendment in the constitution, but some people develop pain in their butts when the anti-army forces get killed. That was the sole reason of her petition.
These people are known for their selective criticism and selective sympathies, which shows what their real agenda is.

 

[Zabaniyah]

What she did was submit a legal petition asking if the rights of the accused had been preserved under the law. When you object to this, what you're really objecting to liberty: that citizens should be able to exercise their rights and freedoms under the law, without additional constraints imposed at the whim of officials. Fighting for such liberty was the primary justification for the American Revolution.

Pakistan's current environment and history are not quite the same as America's.

That being said, a good terrorist is a dead one. Liberty means very little here.

 

[Solomon2]

Pakistan's current environment and history are not quite the same as America's.

That being said, a good terrorist is a dead one. Liberty means very little here.

Pretty sure this author disagrees with the liberty part:

A bankrupt strategy
By Dr Nida Kirmani
Published: May 25, 2015

The writer is an Assistant Professor of Sociology at the Lahore University of Management Sciences

“If I go outside they will insult me, and they will slap me.” This is what Zeeshan, a young man that I was speaking to from the Shahbaig Lane neighbourhood of Lyari, told me over a year ago when I asked him how he navigated the ongoing violence in his area. Thinking he was referring to the local gangs, I asked him why they would act this way. He said, “It is part of their terror. They want to spread fear; they want to spread terror inside of Lyari.” He added, “They are making a name for themselves, and they are gaining the respect that one gets from fear.”

As I listened to Zeeshan, it dawned on me that he was not talking about the local gangs; he was referring to the law-enforcement agencies. This conversation took place in March 2014 — six months after the operation began. Over a year and a half later, and particularly after the brutal killing of 45 people in Safoora Goth on May 13, many are beginning to ask questions about the effectiveness of the Karachi operation.

While many of my friends in Lyari feel that the situation in their area has improved as a result of the operation, many also question the methods employed by the law enforcement agencies, which reportedly killed 925 ‘suspects’ in 2014 and 234 between January and April 2015 alone, mostly in deprived, ‘no-go’ areas of the city.

Such staggering statistics should raise a series of questions regarding the grounds on which these people were labelled ‘suspects’. What kind of evidence was provided against them and by whom? Was any due process followed at all or were these simply the most convenient targets that could be found at the time? Such questions are rarely, if ever, raised in public and the few people who do dare to ask them are accused of either being naive for not understanding the ground realities in Karachi, or are deemed to be ‘traitors’.

The young men in Lyari tell me how they have trained themselves not to run if a search operation in their area is being conducted no matter how scared they are, because if they do, they will be shot on sight. They recount stories of daily harassment. They tell me about young men they know who have been picked up and never returned for reasons unknown, or whose bodies are found after being killed by unknown assailants. Since the operation began, the fear of gangsters has been replaced by the fear of our law-enforcement apparatus, which is believed to be capable of greater violence than the gangs, and with less accountability.

The massacre at Safoora Goth has revealed the failures of the security strategy being followed at the city and national levels. However, rather than taking responsibility for its failures, the state has chosen to respond by looking for easy scapegoats. This is true of the hundreds of people killed in ‘encounters’ in Karachi and those who have been executed since the moratorium was lifted on the death penalty.

In all of these cases, the strategy of the state seems to be to make it appear as if it is ‘doing something’. The problem with this strategy is that not only does it fail to curb the root causes of violence, it actually compounds the violence at the cost of innocent lives. This flawed strategy may fool people into believing the problem of crime and terrorism is being solved in the short term, but will do nothing to deal with the myriad causes of violence in the long term. The question that should concern us the most is: how many more innocent lives need to be lost before the state decides to reconsider its course?

The Express Tribune, May 25th, 2015.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

She is a traitor to Pakistan....right? Fellas?

 

[Adecypher]

What she did was submit a legal petition asking if the rights of the accused had been preserved under the law. When you object to this, what you're really objecting to liberty: that citizens should be able to exercise their rights and freedoms under the law, without additional constraints imposed at the whim of officials. Fighting for such liberty was the primary justification for the American Revolution.

The problem is having double standards; on one hand she beats the drum against military courts and on the other hand is willing to meet a man you is implicitly/explicitly involved in Gujarat Riots...

Asma Jahangir visits Gujarat - The Hindu

 

[Solomon2]

The problem is having double standards; on one hand she beats the drum against military courts and on the other hand is willing to meet a man you is implicitly/explicitly involved in Gujarat Riots...

I think you're making this too personal. Whatever her "double standards" the legal arguments she puts forward have merit independent of their advocate. That's the necessary corollary of liberty.

 

[AshishDelhi]

Its time to take down these liberal traitors..she sounds like a raw agent

 

[Adecypher]

I think you're making this too personal. Whatever her "double standards" the legal arguments she puts forward have merit independent of their advocate. That's the necessary corollary of liberty.

Human rights are human rights whenever and where-ever applicable, you lose your credibility really fast once you start hoisting liberty flags on occasions suited to your targeted agendas...and therefore requires a hard scrutiny and objective criticism.

 

[root]

Solomon2 seems to be very concerned of well being of pakistan

 

[Indus Falcon]

Solomon2 seems to be very concerned of well being of pakistan

Hazrat woh kahawat toe soni hoegee aap nay "parosi kay paet main maror"

 

[qamar1990]

If I was really "anti-Pakistan" wouldn't I want Pakistanis to continue to live under the oppression the author describes? Then I wouldn't have posted her commentary at all, right?

we arent under opression lmao.... who the **** told you we are oppressed?? last time i visited pakistan which was earlier this year. i noticed how people are more tolerant some people even in the west. nobody even harams the gays... even in america gays are looked down upon while in pakistan they just say its natural.... i actually have videos of trannies in pakistan going around dancing ect.
i can say what ever i want in pakistan and pretty much do what ever i want except spread hate ofcourse... becuase that is against the law now. especially religious hate of any kind.

Keep abusing,torturing,killing and crushing the sane people who point out ills in your country.This is the reason I believe no matter how many zarb e azbs you may conduct,the terrorists will continue sprouting in your country.

people like her and asma janghir should be tried for treason.... they are the disease that is actually dangerous to pakistans being.... its people her on the left who are the biggest threat to pakistan...
in every country in the world the leftists are always the traitors and the people always working againt their countries... no different for pakistan as well.
@Hyperion

 

[qamar1990]

What she did was submit a legal petition asking if the rights of the accused had been preserved under the law. When you object to this, what you're really objecting to liberty: that citizens should be able to exercise their rights and freedoms under the law, without additional constraints imposed at the whim of officials. Fighting for such liberty was the primary justification for the American Revolution.

have you heard of the patriot act???
i know you wont reply to this becuase you know you been f@#@ed

 

[Sharpshooter12]

ile many of my friends in Lyari feel that the situation in their area has improved as a result of the operation, many also question the methods employed by the law enforcement agencies

That is just BS. So Dr. Nida Kirmani has been told by her friends that the security situation has improved a lot in Layari because of the operation but she still thinks that as the incidents like Safora goth are still happening the security forces have failed, they should release all the suspects immediately and stop the operation instead of intensifying it.

So going by her logic we should have also stopped the Zarb e Azb after the Peshawar attack.

Does she even understand the dynamics of Karachi, Layari was a victim of brutal gang war, Safora Goth incident has sectarian angle. Layari is much peaceful now and that is only because of these same security forces.

Did Dr. Kirmani asked her friend in Layari how he used to feel when Uzair Baloch's gang was playing football with the heads of Baba Ladla and his gang. If he is actually as innocent as Dr. Kirmani portrays him then surely he must have been terrorized.

Does Express Tribune has anything better to do than bash security forces and attack Pakistan ideology.

For Pakistan, to seek an end to militancy and sectarianism, questioning and confrontation of our own normalised beliefs is the need of the hour.

So the problem is our mind set then, as our national identity is based on religion we are intolerant and want to crush anyone who is different form us.

Hmm.. a few surveys beg to differ from Ms. Zehra Hussain's thesis, that shows even with our religious identity we are the most tolerant people in the world.

Map shows world's most racist countries (and the answers may surprise you) | Daily Mail Online

Please look at the map, and look at the country right next to us who doesn't base its national identity on religion (or so they claim), see how tolerant they are towards the people who are different.

These pseudo liberals are totally disconnected from the society they commenting on. First thing the state needs to do is ban anyone from studying political science abroad, when these self hating kalay angraiz return to the country they look at everything from the western POV.