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The IAF dilemma: To upgrade its Mirage fleet or buy new jets

FORCE IN A FIX

THE BIG QUESTION

Should the IAF upgrade all its 51 French Dassault M2000 jets for Rs 14,400 cr or purchase new fighters?

WHAT THE IAF WANTS

The IAF expects the aircraft to have beyond visual range capabilities, lookdown and shoot-down capabilities, advanced electronic counter measures, and multi-target, multi-shoot capabilities

THE STUMBLING BLOCK

The proposal does not fulfill requirements. Plus, the upgrade does not include the cost of procuring new weaponry worth Rs 80 cr. Is it cheaper to buy a new fleet?


New Delhi, May 25


The Indian Air Force has a dilemma: should it go ahead and upgrade it’s 51-strong Mirage fleet or purchase new fighters for Mirages’ specific role? Talks between the Ministry of Defence and Mirage’s French manufacturer Dassault are in the final stage and a decision is expected soon.

Upgrade of the French Dassault M2000 fighter aircraft would cost a whopping Rs 14,400 crore but it does not include the cost of procuring new weaponry worth Rs 80 crore.:tdown:

If the Defence Ministry and the manufacturer sign the agreement, Dassault will supply four upgraded aircraft and kits to upgrade the remaining 47 aircraft to Hindustan Aeronautics Limited. Roughly Rs 4,500 crore is to be spent by HAL on the upgrade. It will also charge nearly Rs 900 crore for the furnished items.

A section of the IAF top brass feels that the upgrade cost is too high as the officers say that buying a new fighter would work out cheaper.
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“Avionics and weaponry are complementary but their capabilities don’t always match. The upgrade process is very complicated and thorough and has to be very convincing for it to be approved,” said Air Marshal (retired) D. Keeler - hero of the 1965 and 1971 Indo-Pak wars. Mirage fighters were inducted in the IAF during Keeler’s tenure in the mid-eighties. “Upgradation is always planned on the future lifespan of the airframe and engines,” he added.

New weapons required to be fitted in the proposed upgraded aircraft include BVR (RF) MICA missiles, IR MICA missiles, conventional weapons and smart guided weapons with standoff capabilities, and air-to-surface weapons.

Incidentally, Dassault fighter Rafale has been shortlisted along with Eurofighter Typhoon in the over $10.5 billion deal for 126 Medium Multi Role-Combat Aircraft (MMRCA). Two American, one Swedish and one Russian rival firm are out of the race.

The Eurofighter is said to having an edge over Rafale. Dassault sees this as a ‘win-win situation’: If it fails to get the MMRCA deal, it is confident of clinching the Mirage upgrade deal.

Purchasing new Mirages is not an option now as France has closed the production line, presumably to avoid competition between Mirage 2000 and the Rafale. When last produced in 2007, the estimated price of a Mirage 2000-09 was Rs 30-35 million.

The first batch of 40 Mirage aircraft was delivered during 1986-87, the second batch of nine during 1988-89 and the third batch of 10 aircraft during 2003-04. Of these 59 aircraft, only 51 are now in the fleet. The rest have been lost.

The proposal is to upgrade all 51 aircraft to extend their operational life and update their capability. The ‘cardinal points’ of the proposal include: no airframe modifications, no changes to major aircraft systems, no modification to equipment bays, limited cockpit modifications, minimum retrofit line modification facilities/activities, and, most significantly, it does not cover the cost of supply of weapons.


As the purpose of the upgrade is to bring the IAF’s Mirage 2000 fleet up to the standard of the Mirage 2000-5 Mk2, which is used by the French and sold as the Mirage 2000-09, would it not be a better option to ascertain whether any country wants to sell some or all of its inventory at a more competitive cost than that represented by the upgrade, questions the anti-upgrade lobby within the IAF.

India had reportedly talked to Qatar, which was looking to sell its Mirage 2000-09 fleet of 12 aircraft. The talks failed as Qatar’s price expectations could not be met. Some senior officers are of the view that this setback does not preclude the attempt to identify another source, provided that the price is reasonable and that there is sufficient service life remaining to justify the acquisition.

India must negotiate and conclude contracts for the upgrade of Mirage fighters and procurement of weapons simultaneously, advise senior IAF officers. Otherwise, they warn, weapon manufacturers will dictate their ‘expensive terms’ later.


The Tribune, Chandigarh, India - Main News
 
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The first batch of 40 Mirage aircraft was delivered during 1986-87, they are almost 25 years old , will take another 5 years to upgrade , thereafter how much life left just 10 years .

why there is a second thought ? just buy new fighter
 
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We should have two MRCA's to make the induction faster and to fill the missing squads soon.
Or we can have one MRCA parallely produced at India and the europe.
126 eft's+40rafales for sfc+60 rafales to replace mirages+26 rafales for Indian navy long range and nuke delivery - special aircraft for maritime operations doesnt seem to me as bad idea...
 
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We should have two MRCA's to make the induction faster and to fill the missing squads soon.
Or we can have one MRCA parallely produced at India and the europe.
126 eft's+40rafales for sfc+60 rafales to replace mirages+26 rafales for Indian navy long range and nuke delivery - special aircraft for maritime operations doesnt seem to me as bad idea...

Too much of platforms will be bad for IAF health. Also parallel manufacturing lines in europe and india will shoot up per piece cost of EFT.
 
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If its financially possible we should look to procure more Rafales in our MMRCA than upgrade our older jets ....Many of the relevant capabilities in question are present in Rafale....
 
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Well, if you ask me, it's a nice dilema to have!!!

Few decades ago, we would not have such dilema nd would have surely gone for MLUs to extend aircraft life to the hilt (Mig-21(.. But now, even after 25 years, we're discussing about discarding Mirage-2000.

Times, I must say..
 
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inplace paying 42ml for mirage upgrade just buy new mig-35 at the same price ..
 
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Mig35 is one of the best air superiority fighters with good strike capabilities too and high speed is its great advantage.
Best of MRCA
Best Air superiority fighters
1.Mig35(High speed,good climb rate,enhanced maneuverability , 3d tvc, aesa radar has long development from mig 21-mig 27-mig29 and now mig 35 so best than eft)
2.EuroFighter Typhoon
3.Rafale
4.F-16IN
Best Strike aircrafts
1.F-18 E/F(has 5th gen features,proven good strike capabilities ,lgb's,clusters etc made in US)
2.Rafale
3.F-16IN
4.Mig35
Best Multi Role Fighters
1.Rafale
2.F-18 E/F
3.EuroFighter Typhoon
4.Mig35
 
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Screw the upgrades.. get a new fighter, you arent going to war anytime soon.. better to save the cash and buy more newer jets.

In the process loose the experience and mastery gained on the model . is it acceptable , especially when there are a lot of other new platforms being inducted at the same time.
 
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Considering what we get for $100 million. The best multirole aircraft are
1.Mig35
2.F-16IN
This is the correct approach.
I mean dont compare 1mg 1 f16 1 f18 1 rafale 1 gripen 1 eft
we should compare 1.17 rafale,0.92 eft,2 f16,1.16 f18,2 grippen,2.6 mig35
 
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