The honest captain myth :Hoodboy

[FuturePAF]

Not a single Daleel by Imran Khan supporters in answering the objections, that have been raised by the writer.

All what we are hearing from Imran's supporters are allegations of Ghadaar.

If you want a rebuttal to his objections, I’ll give it a go. (Just like Professor Hoodboy, I’m no political scientist, by I’ll give my two cents if you want to hear it)

1. He says IK supporters are a cult, and while I won’t deny many people are listening to his speeches and coming to his Jalsas, as an overseas Pakistani I can say he seems like the best option of the lot. People are in no illusion of IK’s past, but his term of governance is a refreshing after decades of stagnation. Simply put, IK has raised the bar on governance. We don’t expect him to have all the answers but as a Captain, to appoint people to support him to the best of their abilities. His original pick for finance minister, Atif Mian, was so strongly opposed that he had to withdraw it.

2. He insinuates that IK’s campaign promises were naive at best and dangerously deceptive at worst. He compares IK’s followers to those of Jim Jones, who drank the Cool Aid in an act of collective suicide. But in a society where elite capture, by the very politicians people have been forced to choose from, has shown democracy to be a farce, he tries to use people power to convince those amongst the establishment to help change course for the nation. In the decades of PPP rule in Sindh, have the people achieved “Roti, Kapra, Makan”. How would it be any different if they (or the other opposition parties) were back in power.

If people feel their democracy doesn’t represent them and hold up their interests they will accept a more honest then most man who is also also charismatic. Criticism of Trump’s Xenophobia not withstanding, he also stood up for American interests as best he saw them and was honest to a fault. No one claimed he was a genius, and no one can claim the American people are a not educated enough to choose for themselves.

What IK wasn’t able to do; his two main “faults” that pushed the establishment to distance themselves from him were his performance on the economy and his Visible defiance of western demands. There is a reason Deng Xioping said China must hide its strength and bide its time. IMHO, IK should have been more diplomatic, and not made America lose face, while still upholding Pakistan’s national interests. In failing to do so, hindrances remained to economic growth which is necessary not the least of which to maintain some kind of parity with India militarily but also diplomatically.

IK’s PTI has been an attempt by well meaning people to break from family based parties and patronage politics into a more principled party, that hoped to draw its guidance from Islamic principles in a modern context and sideline any appeal to ethnic and local politics. To be a truely national party in the vein of what Qaid e Adam had hoped.

What the system failed to do was let the cases against the accused politicians play out, IN A TIMELY MANNER. Had all the top leaders of the opposition been cleared away, a fresh crop of opposition leaders with less of a bad name could take their place in hopes of putting the crimes of the past behind all of us. But the judicial stagnation over the last three and a half years has not given the people viable alternatives to IK. A large portion of the public feel they are going back to a “Vichy Pakistan” under discredited politicians. Failure to address that sentiment will cause lingering apathy and a withdrawal of key parts of the society, especially overseas Pakistan that send considerably growing amounts of Remittances year on year.

What many in the country want is a reformation of the republic as was done when the Fourth French Republic was formed, in which De Gaulle advocated for a presidential system and to clear away politicians that had collaborated in years prior.

Like De Gaulle, a well loved figure amongst his people, who only governed for a few years at first, IK’s efforts were about reformation of the Republic. De Gaulle’s efforts eventually led to the fifth French Republic a decade later, and it is still the French republic we have to day, 63 years later. So IK’s efforts are part and parcel in the democratic evolution of Pakistan, that should have been addressed earlier, but better late then never.

 

[WotTen]

Traditional women as in the heroines of South Asian tragic love stories or traditional women as in the naqabposhs ?

It is a woman's right to wear hijab if she wants. Only the misogynist illiberals think it is OK to criticize a woman for wearing traditional dress. These same illiberals would never dare to criticize a Western woman for wearing a bikini.

The Pakistani illiberals have no brain, no principled stand, no independent thought. They are opportunistic sellouts who cash in on whatever the Western media wants to hear.

Not a single Daleel by Imran Khan supporters in answering the objections, that have been raised by the writer.

All what we are hearing from Imran's supporters are allegations of Ghadaar.

I have read enough of Hoodbhoy's rants to ignore him completely. He is a racist and a misogynist. He is a racist because of his sweeping statements about Sindhis. He is a misogynist because he attacks schoolgirls for wearing a hijab.

These illiberals are the worst scum of the Earth. They actually empower Islamic extremists because they muddy legitimate debate about religious extremism into a facile narrative that all traditional values are extreme. Even a schoolgirl wearing a hijab is enough to trigger this misogynist.

 

[Mav3rick]

Says a lot about you.

Unless there is evidence that his actions are meant to harm Pakistan, I will give benefit of the doubt to him. Pakistanis are not born traitors, we all love our country; the difference being our opposition to policies, processes and certain actions of the trichotomy which we all interpret in our own comforts and conclude accordingly.

 

[Menace2Society]

Slander IK all you want and make all the elaborate articles but I will always back someone that is not a Zardari or a Sharif.

I am sick of these families and all the people who suck up to them like minions, its pathetic and obvious.

 

[IceCold]

Unless there is evidence that his actions are meant to harm Pakistan, I will give benefit of the doubt to him. Pakistanis are not born traitors, we all love our country; the difference being our opposition to policies, processes and certain actions of the trichotomy which we all interpret in our own comforts and conclude accordingly.

Save the rhetoric for another day. You want to give benefit of the doubt to a guy like Hussain Haqqani who sits with every anti Pakistan element he could find but strangely enough never extended the same to some one like IK?
Like i said its says alot about ones belief.

 

[313ghazi]

If you want a rebuttal to his objections, I’ll give it a go. (Just like Professor Hoodboy, I’m no political scientist, by I’ll give my two cents if you want to hear it)

1. He says IK supporters are a cult, and while I won’t deny many people are listening to his speeches and coming to his Jalsas, as an overseas Pakistani I can say he seems like the best option of the lot. People are in no illusion of IK’s past, but his term of governance is a refreshing after decades of stagnation. Simply put, IK has raised the bar on governance. We don’t expect him to have all the answers but as a Captain, to appoint people to support him to the best of their abilities. His original pick for finance minister, Atif Mian, was so strongly opposed that he had to withdraw it.

2. He insinuates that IK’s campaign promises were naive at best and dangerously deceptive at worst. He compares IK’s followers to those of Jim Jones, who drank the Cool Aid in an act of collective suicide. But in a society where elite capture, by the very politicians people have been forced to choose from, has shown democracy to be a farce, he tries to use people power to convince those amongst the establishment to help change course for the nation. In the decades of PPP rule in Sindh, have the people achieved “Roti, Kapra, Makan”. How would it be any different if they (or the other opposition parties) were back in power.

If people feel their democracy doesn’t represent them and hold up their interests they will accept a more honest then most man who is also also charismatic. Criticism of Trump’s Xenophobia not withstanding, he also stood up for American interests as best he saw them and was honest to a fault. No one claimed he was a genius, and no one can claim the American people are a not educated enough to choose for themselves.

What IK wasn’t able to do; his two main “faults” that pushed the establishment to distance themselves from him were his performance on the economy and his Visible defiance of western demands. There is a reason Deng Xioping said China must hide its strength and bide its time. IMHO, IK should have been more diplomatic, and not made America lose face, while still upholding Pakistan’s national interests. In failing to do so, hindrances remained to economic growth which is necessary not the least of which to maintain some kind of parity with India militarily but also diplomatically.

IK’s PTI has been an attempt by well meaning people to break from family based parties and patronage politics into a more principled party, that hoped to draw its guidance from Islamic principles in a modern context and sideline any appeal to ethnic and local politics. To be a truely national party in the vein of what Qaid e Adam had hoped.

What the system failed to do was let the cases against the accused politicians play out, IN A TIMELY MANNER. Had all the top leaders of the opposition been cleared away, a fresh crop of opposition leaders with less of a bad name could take their place in hopes of putting the crimes of the past behind all of us. But the judicial stagnation over the last three and a half years has not given the people viable alternatives to IK. A large portion of the public feel they are going back to a “Vichy Pakistan” under discredited politicians. Failure to address that sentiment will cause lingering apathy and a withdrawal of key parts of the society, especially overseas Pakistan that send considerably growing amounts of Remittances year on year.

What many in the country want is a reformation of the republic as was done when the Fourth French Republic was formed, in which De Gaulle advocated for a presidential system and to clear away politicians that had collaborated in years prior.

Like De Gaulle, a well loved figure amongst his people, who only governed for a few years at first, IK’s efforts were about reformation of the Republic. De Gaulle’s efforts eventually led to the fifth French Republic a decade later, and it is still the French republic we have to day, 63 years later. So IK’s efforts are part and parcel in the democratic evolution of Pakistan, that should have been addressed earlier, but better late then never.

He's not interested, when people respond to him he tells them "he's busy and can't read long replies"

 

[Mav3rick]

Save the rhetoric for another day. You want to give benefit of the doubt to a guy like Hussain Haqqani who sits with every anti Pakistan element he could find but strangely enough never extended the same to some one like IK?
Like i said its says alot about ones belief.

Your nonsense tells a lot about you too but I still gave you the benefit of the doubt, evidently it was not deserved!

 

[IceCold]

Your nonsense tells a lot about you too but I still gave you the benefit of the doubt, evidently it was not deserved!

The feeling is mutual!

 

[Zhukov]

Is Bill Gates ke Duplicate ki kami reh gai thi bas

 

[ghazi52]

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[ziaulislam]

If you want a rebuttal to his objections, I’ll give it a go. (Just like Professor Hoodboy, I’m no political scientist, by I’ll give my two cents if you want to hear it)

1. He says IK supporters are a cult, and while I won’t deny many people are listening to his speeches and coming to his Jalsas, as an overseas Pakistani I can say he seems like the best option of the lot. People are in no illusion of IK’s past, but his term of governance is a refreshing after decades of stagnation. Simply put, IK has raised the bar on governance. We don’t expect him to have all the answers but as a Captain, to appoint people to support him to the best of their abilities. His original pick for finance minister, Atif Mian, was so strongly opposed that he had to withdraw it.

2. He insinuates that IK’s campaign promises were naive at best and dangerously deceptive at worst. He compares IK’s followers to those of Jim Jones, who drank the Cool Aid in an act of collective suicide. But in a society where elite capture, by the very politicians people have been forced to choose from, has shown democracy to be a farce, he tries to use people power to convince those amongst the establishment to help change course for the nation. In the decades of PPP rule in Sindh, have the people achieved “Roti, Kapra, Makan”. How would it be any different if they (or the other opposition parties) were back in power.

If people feel their democracy doesn’t represent them and hold up their interests they will accept a more honest then most man who is also also charismatic. Criticism of Trump’s Xenophobia not withstanding, he also stood up for American interests as best he saw them and was honest to a fault. No one claimed he was a genius, and no one can claim the American people are a not educated enough to choose for themselves.

What IK wasn’t able to do; his two main “faults” that pushed the establishment to distance themselves from him were his performance on the economy and his Visible defiance of western demands. There is a reason Deng Xioping said China must hide its strength and bide its time. IMHO, IK should have been more diplomatic, and not made America lose face, while still upholding Pakistan’s national interests. In failing to do so, hindrances remained to economic growth which is necessary not the least of which to maintain some kind of parity with India militarily but also diplomatically.

IK’s PTI has been an attempt by well meaning people to break from family based parties and patronage politics into a more principled party, that hoped to draw its guidance from Islamic principles in a modern context and sideline any appeal to ethnic and local politics. To be a truely national party in the vein of what Qaid e Adam had hoped.

What the system failed to do was let the cases against the accused politicians play out, IN A TIMELY MANNER. Had all the top leaders of the opposition been cleared away, a fresh crop of opposition leaders with less of a bad name could take their place in hopes of putting the crimes of the past behind all of us. But the judicial stagnation over the last three and a half years has not given the people viable alternatives to IK. A large portion of the public feel they are going back to a “Vichy Pakistan” under discredited politicians. Failure to address that sentiment will cause lingering apathy and a withdrawal of key parts of the society, especially overseas Pakistan that send considerably growing amounts of Remittances year on year.

What many in the country want is a reformation of the republic as was done when the Fourth French Republic was formed, in which De Gaulle advocated for a presidential system and to clear away politicians that had collaborated in years prior.

Like De Gaulle, a well loved figure amongst his people, who only governed for a few years at first, IK’s efforts were about reformation of the Republic. De Gaulle’s efforts eventually led to the fifth French Republic a decade later, and it is still the French republic we have to day, 63 years later. So IK’s efforts are part and parcel in the democratic evolution of Pakistan, that should have been addressed earlier, but better late then never.

What people fail to understand is pakistan only problem is lacking of revenue mobilzation/taxation

Its not exports(frankly if you have revnue u can subsidize exports) its not growth..its just taxation

IK repeatedly said that

But failed

Why? Because establishment will not allow it
Whose the establishment
The rich, elite and upper middle class mostly belonging to central punjab

@Imran Khan

Imran Khan sb,

he better talk about nut bolts of nuclear

Does Da Hood know anything about physics? Nothing about him suggests that he does.

Regards

Nope
Otherwise he wouldnt have been in pakistan

I have more scientific papers and citations then he has..and i am no body

 

[FuturePAF]

He's not interested, when people respond to him he tells them "he's busy and can't read long replies"

On this matter I want to put it out there for posterity, lest it be claimed that no one ever explained it point by point and logically. Yeah, they’ll go TLDR but they won’t be able to come back and claim they and Dr. Hoodboy weren’t properly rebutted.

What people fail to understand is pakistan only problem is lacking of revenue mobilzation/taxation

Its not exports(frankly if you have revnue u can subsidize exports) its not growth..its just taxation

IK repeatedly said that

But failed

Why? Because establishment will not allow it
Whose the establishment
The rich, elite and upper middle class mostly belonging to central punjab


Nope
Otherwise he wouldnt have been in pakistan

I have more scientific papers and citations then he has..and i am no body

IK was asked to do in less then a term what normally takes a generation in the Asian tiger economies, and that too not during a global pandemic. Basically bound to fail without the cooperation of the elite. If he was lagging behind, the elite should have given their own advisors to come up with a joint economic plan. Failure to do so leaves a wedge between the people and the elites.

Also, IK didn’t follow Deng Xioping’s guidance to “never claim leadership” and “hide your strength and hide your time”. By rebuking the west so visibly he undermined his goal. IK should have gotten more cooperation from the Afghans for what he had been doing for them on the international stage, so he could have shown the west that the matter was under control. His trip to Moscow was also poorly advised. Moscow was never going to be an ally of Pakistan. At best IK could have meet Russian representatives in Central Asia as part of a larger summit towards regional cooperation.

Moscow was the final straw and the west’s red line for a country like Pakistan, one dependent on them.

Side note: is there a drop off in users on PDF? Has apathy set it?

 

[Menace2Society]

IK represents Pakistani masculinity which is always the essence of a civilization. He embodies the superior Pakistani spirit which our women look up to. Without him we are at the feet of the white man and the longer this happens the sooner we will become like Thailand and our women will no longer respect us and compare us to our masters.

His removal is a big blow for the Pakistani psyche especially in the age of social media as our women are now exposed to a stronger, more respectable, dominant masculine frame of people in the west.

This is happening in India and has produced a new race of Indian women who look down on their men. The same will eventually happen in Pakistan if we allow the degenerate beta men to control our civilization.

IK knew this and that is why is he was pushing for Islamic modesty and principles, to protect our future from this demise.