What's new

The Greatest Leader of all Time!

Status
Not open for further replies.
Confirmed by Mao's personal doctor that he raped minor girls. Also, he was responsible for many deaths during cultural revolution. This doesnt make him a "Greatest Leader of All Time" which is a case in point. Somebody mentioned his name in this thread. I just shared my views. You are free to disagree.

It's not confirmed by anybody. Mao has a team of doctors. One book by one of his ex-doctors who was out to make a quick buck is not an authority on the subject matter.

Now do u want me to mention Gandhi's dirt? They are well documented. You see the problem in you?

You're free to make your list of greatest leaders, but smearing others is another matter, the thread is about choice of greatest leader, not bashing/smearing others.
 
.
It's not confirmed by anybody. Mao has a team of doctors. One book by one of his ex-doctors who was out to make a quick buck is not an authority on the subject matter.

Now do u want me to mention Gandhi's dirt? They are well documented. You see the problem in you?

You're free to make your list of greatest leaders, but smearing others is another matter, the thread is about choice of greatest leader, not bashing/smearing others.

I think you did not get the context of my post. May be you wanna read it again.
 
.
Ashoka the Great, Mahatma Gandhi, Pandit Nehru, Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther King Jr. etc
 
.
Ashoka the Great, Mahatma Gandhi, Pandit Nehru, Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther King Jr. etc
 
.
Ashoka the Great, Mahatma Gandhi, Pandit Nehru, Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther King Jr. etc
 
.
You're free to make your choice. But why smear Mao and rape when those are not substantiated by academics?
I know many dirt on Gandhi that is well documented, not just by a man's account. It is necessary for me to mention it?

I was reading a post on some website it says that Gandhi was Gay :omghaha:
 
.
I was reading a post on some website it says that Gandhi was Gay :omghaha:

no offence bro but things like those are also said by one of your founding fathers ghandi you may not like as he never boot liked the british as leaders of ML did and got awarded while ghandi was thrown in jail and lathy charged quite often .....dont be so happy for if some third party is insulting freedom fighters from british india just beacause right now your getting some stuff for free and on so called soft loans ...baigarathi aur zillat ki biryani se mehnat ki kamai ki sookhi roti bahut bahut muhazzab hai ...hope you dont mind that ....SIR!!!!
 
.
I think you did not get the context of my post. May be you wanna read it again.

This was your post.
Mahatma Gandhi. & Martin Luther King Jr.

All the other leaders which have been mentioned by members here were involved in killing people e.g. Mao Zedong. He raped minor girls and killed many people during cultural revolution. Lol some even mentioned Adolf Hitler.
All you have to do is to justify your choice. Was the second paragraph necessary? Why do you have to smear Mao that he raped minor girls, which is not truth. The thread is about your choice of great leader, not to sling mud at others and turn it into a troll fest. See your problem?
 
.
I was reading a post on some website it says that Gandhi was Gay :omghaha:

Yes he is gay. I found a photograph of his with his partner.

images
 
.
It's not confirmed by anybody. Mao has a team of doctors. One book by one of his ex-doctors who was out to make a quick buck is not an authority on the subject matter.

Now do u want me to mention Gandhi's dirt? They are well documented. You see the problem in you?

You're free to make your list of greatest leaders, but smearing others is another matter, the thread is about choice of greatest leader, not bashing/smearing others.

This was your post.

All you have to do is to justify your choice. Was the second paragraph necessary? Why do you have to smear Mao that he raped minor girls, which is not truth. The thread is about your choice of great leader, not to sling mud at others and turn it into a troll fest. See your problem?

I knew you wouldn't understand.

It was an example why some leaders, which are mentioned by other members here, cant be great. Somebody had mentioned Mao. So I talked about him that he was a rapist and killed many people during cultural revolution. I also mentioned Adolf Hitler. No need to get emotional.

Do I have to explain the context now?
 
.
Indians will say that an Indian is the great leader of all time. Same with Pakistan, Afghanistan, US and all other countries. It is difficult question @T-123456
Doesnt matter,as long as its your own opinion.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
.
I knew you wouldn't understand.

It was an example why some leaders, which are mentioned by other members here, cant be great. Somebody had mentioned Mao. So I talked about him that he was a rapist and killed many people during cultural revolution. I also mentioned Adolf Hitler. No need to get emotional.

Do I have to explain the context now?

Everyone here with half a brain can see what you are up to. Stop acting dumb. This thread is about do you think is the greatest leader. It doesn't matter who and what others said, it's was your choice. But you chose to turn it into a smearing antics on Mao, which was not substantiated. This is the context, you wanted to mud sling and troll.
If I were emotional, I would have poured out all the dirt on Gandhi.
 
.
Holy Prophet ( Peace.Be.Upon.Him

No one Can match with holy prophets achievements

Nepolean Bonaparte – Quoted in Christian Cherfils BONAPARTE ET ISLAM (PARIS 1914)
“I hope the time is not far off when I shall be able to unite all the wise and educated men of all the countries and establish a uniform regime based on the principles of Qur'an which alone are true and which alone can lead men to happiness.”

M.K.Gandhi, YOUNG INDIA, 1924
"...I became more than ever convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the prophet, the scrupulous regard for his pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and his own mission. These, and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every trouble." YOUNG INDIA, 1924
Lamartine - Histoire de la Turquie, Paris 1854, Vol II, pp. 276-77:
"If greatness of purpose, smallness of means, and astounding results are the three criteria of human genius, who could dare to compare any great man in modern history with Muhammad? The most famous men created arms, laws and empires only. They founded, if anything at all, no more than material powers which often crumbled away before their eyes. This man moved not only armies, legislations, empires, peoples and dynasties, but millions of men in one-third of the then inhabited world; and more than that, he moved the altars, the gods, the religions, the ideas, the beliefs and souls... the forbearance in victory, his ambition, which was entirely devoted to one idea and in no manner striving for an empire; his endless prayers, his mystic conversations with God, his death and his triumph after death; all these attest not to an imposture but to a firm conviction which gave him the power to restore a dogma. This dogma was twofold, the unit of God and the immateriality of God; the former telling what God is, the latter telling what God is not; the one overthrowing false gods with the sword, the other starting an idea with words.
"Philosopher, orator, apostle, legislator, warrior, conqueror of ideas, restorer of rational dogmas, of a cult without images; the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is Muhammad. As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he?"

Edward Gibbon and Simon Ocklay - History of the Saracen Empire, London, 1870, p. 54:
"It is not the propagation but the permanency of his religion that deserves our wonder, the same pure and perfect impression which he engraved at Mecca and Medina is preserved, after the revolutions of twelve centuries by the Indian, the African and the Turkish proselytes of the Koran...The Mahometans have uniformly withstood the temptation of reducing the object of their faith and devotion to a level with the senses and imagination of man. 'I believe in One God and Mahomet the Apostle of God', is the simple and invariable profession of Islam. The intellectual image of the Deity has never been degraded by any visible idol; the honors of the prophet have never transgressed the measure of human virtue, and his living precepts have restrained the gratitude of his disciples within the bounds of reason and religion."

Rev. Bosworth Smith, Mohammed and Mohammadanism, London 1874, p. 92:
"He was Caesar and Pope in one; but he was Pope without Pope's pretensions, Caesar without the legions of Caesar: without a standing army, without a bodyguard, without a palace, without a fixed revenue; if ever any man had the right to say that he ruled by the right divine, it was Mohammed, for he had all the power without its instruments and without its supports."
Annie Besant, The Life and Teachings of Muhammad, Madras 1932, p. 4:
"It is impossible for anyone who studies the life and character of the great Prophet of Arabia, who knows how he taught and how he lived, to feel anything but reverence for that mighty Prophet, one of the great messengers of the Supreme. And although in what I put to you I shall say many things which may be familiar to many, yet I myself feel whenever I re-read them, a new way of admiration, a new sense of reverence for that mighty Arabian teacher."
Montgomery Watt, Mohammad at Mecca, Oxford 1953, p. 52:
"His readiness to undergo persecutions for his beliefs, the high moral character of the men who believed in him and looked up to him as leader, and the greatness of his ultimate achievement – all argue his fundamental integrity. To suppose Muhammad an impostor raises more problems than it solves. Moreover, none of the great figures of history is so poorly appreciated in the West as Muhammad."
James A. Michener, 'Islam: The Misunderstood Religion' in Reader's Digest (American Edition), May 1955, pp. 68-70:
"Muhammad, the inspired man who founded Islam, was born about A.D. 570 into an Arabian tribe that worshipped idols. Orphaned at birth, he was always particularly solicitous of the poor and needy, the widow and the orphan, the slave and the downtrodden. At twenty he was already a successful businessman, and soon became director of camel caravans for a wealthy widow. When he reached twenty-five, his employer, recognizing his merit, proposed marriage. Even though she was fifteen years older, he married her, and as long as she lived, remained a devoted husband.
"Like almost every major prophet before him, Muhammad fought shy of serving as the transmitter of God's word, sensing his own inadequacy. But the angel commanded 'Read'. So far as we know, Muhammad was unable to read or write, but he began to dictate those inspired words which would soon revolutionize a large segment of the earth: "There is one God."
"In all things Muhammad was profoundly practical. When his beloved son Ibrahim died, an eclipse occurred, and rumors of God's personal condolence quickly arose. Whereupon Muhammad is said to have announced, 'An eclipse is a phenomenon of nature. It is foolish to attribute such things to the death or birth of a human-being.'
"At Muhammad's own death an attempt was made to deify him, but the man who was to become his administrative successor killed the hysteria with one of the noblest speeches in religious history: 'If there are any among you who worshipped Muhammad, he is dead. But if it is God you worshipped, He lives forever.'"
Michael H. Hart, The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History, New York: Hart Publishing Company, Inc. 1978, p. 33:
"My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world's most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular level."

Sarojini Naidu, the famous Indian poetess says – S. Naidu, Ideals of Islam, Speeches and Writings, Madaras, 1918
“It was the first religion that preached and practiced democracy; for, in the mosque, when the call for prayer is sounded and worshippers are gathered together, the democracy of Islam is embodied five times a day when the peasant and king kneel side by side and proclaim: 'God Alone is Great'... “
Thomas Caryle – Heros and Heros Worship
“how one man single-handedly, could weld warring tribes and Bedouins into a most powerful and civilized nation in less than two decades?”
“…The lies (Western slander) which well-meaning zeal has heaped round this man (Muhammed) are disgraceful to ourselves only…How one man single-handedly, could weld warring tribes and wandering Bedouins into a most powerful and civilized nation in less than two decades….A silent great soul, one of that who cannot but be earnest. He was to kindle the world; the world’s Maker had ordered so."
Stanley Lane-Poole – Table Talk of the Prophet
“He was the most faithful protector of those he protected, the sweetest and most agreeable in conversation. Those who saw him were suddenly filled with reverence; those who came near him loved him; they who described him would say, "I have never seen his like either before or after." He was of great taciturnity, but when he spoke it was with emphasis and deliberation, and no one could forget what he said...
George Bernard Shaw - The Genuine Islam Vol.No.8, 1936.
“I believe if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring much needed peace and happiness.
I have studied him - the man and in my opinion is far from being an anti–Christ. He must be called the Savior of Humanity.
I have prophesied about the faith of Mohammad that it would be acceptable the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today.”

OP should have kept the Holy Prophet pbuh outside such a competition. He was a complete man and the most perfect of Allah's creations. Let us discuss others,not him.
 
.
Everyone here with half a brain can see what you are up to. Stop acting dumb. This thread is about do you think is the greatest leader. It doesn't matter who and what others said, it's was your choice. But you chose to turn it into a smearing antics on Mao, which was not substantiated. This is the context, you wanted to mud sling and troll.
If I were emotional, I would have poured out all the dirt on Gandhi.
I have the right to disagree with anything. ANYTHING. And I have right to talk about it. Just like you have right to disagree with me.

I don't think Mao was a great leader because he was a rapist and killed many people. Just like I dont agree that Adolf Hitler was a great leader as he killed many in the name of religion. This is the context.

If you think I have done something wrong, feel free to report the post (report option is at far left of any post) and carry on.

And hey, I always forgive people for their stupidity. That's one of my qualities.
:cheers:
 
.
Everyone here with half a brain can see what you are up to. Stop acting dumb. This thread is about do you think is the greatest leader. It doesn't matter who and what others said, it's was your choice. But you chose to turn it into a smearing antics on Mao, which was not substantiated. This is the context, you wanted to mud sling and troll.
If I were emotional, I would have poured out all the dirt on Gandhi.
@Gautam

The thing with great leaders is that they tend to make a lot of enemies in their life time. After all, great leaders often brought great change and changes **** off people, especially their enemies and opponents. Hence why I avoid modern examples.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
.
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom