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The Greatest Islamic Empire - Ones that brought Islam to Pakistan Genghis K

Well tbh even Tang dynasty had wars with the Huns, Atilla the Hun?

No ,tang dynasty had war with turks,the huns were just a small tribe only had a population of thousands which comes from xiongnu.xiongnu were either killed or droven out of mongolia by han dynasty and other northerneast asian nomads.
 
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No ,tang dynasty had war with turks,the huns were just a small tribe only had a population of thousands which comes from xiongnu.xiongnu were either killed or droven out of mongolia by han dynasty and other northerneast asian nomads.

They are part of Turks too.
 
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Mongols were not Muslims even in the time of Genghis Khan's descendant Halagu Khan, The OP know misleading history. Halagu Khan only ruined Iran and killed Caliph and put the "House of Wisdom" on Fire in Baghdad.
Sir who is saying Halaku Khan sir one of his decendents accepted islam and than most mongols who established in Muslim areas converted to Islam and many of them rose to form government resulting in caliphate
 
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That was Abbasid Caliphate when Mongol attacked Abbasid Empire, Mongol might have done the damage in Baghdad but later in Cairo Mongolians were defeated by Abbasid and Caliphate reagain its control to 400 more years. By the way there is a city in Pakistan Where Mugghal(mongol) and Abbasid live together and their decedent are mostly half Mugghal and Half Abbasid. Means future meant more then past. and The following map shows that areas of Pakistan were already ruled by Abbasid Caliphate before advent of Islam in india.
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Abbasid Caliphate (light and dark green) at its greatest extent, c. 850. Territories in dark green were undercontrolled by Ummayads.
 
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Chinese History - Non-Chinese peoples and neighboring states: Turks (Tujue 突厥)


The Turks or Proto-Turks were a large group of nomadic tribes that dominated the northern steppes from the 6th to the 8th century. The Chinese words for the Turks (Tujue 突厥 [twetkjuet] or Tiele 鐵勒 [tjetlak]) are derived from the Turkish word "Türk" or "Türküt". The Turkish languages belong to the Altaic language family. The Turks were originally nomad tribes that migrated with their cattle from pasture to pasture along the rivers in the steppe area of modern Mongolia. They lived in filt tents (Chinese: zhanzhang 毡帳), ate meat and drank milk or fermented milk, wore furs in winter and woolen cloth in summer, usually with the left sleeve free. They were excellent for shooting from horseback and produced many kinds of weapons of horn, wood, and even of metal after they had learned to cast bronze and iron. Their main "export" goods to China were coarse cloth, horses, and fish glue. The Turks used wooden plates as notetables for treaties and for tax collection. They had developed their own runic script based on the Soghdian alphabet; Turkish texts are known from many inscriptions discovered form the late 17th century on at the banks of the Yenissej River and in Outer Mongolia. The most famous inscriptions are the Kül Tegin ("Queteqin" 闕特勤碑), Bilge Khan ("Piqie Kehan" 毗伽可汗碑), and the Tonyukuk Inscription ("Tunyugu" 暾欲谷碑) that were discovered and deciphered by the Danish scholar V.L.P. Thomsen (Chinese: Tang Musen 湯姆森), the Russian V.V. Radlov (Chinese: Ladeluofu 拉德洛夫), and the Japanese Onogawa Hidemi 小野川秀美. In the last few decades, many Turkish tombs have been discovered in the whole steppe region from Mongolia to Kazakhstan.
The designation "Turks" is first mentioned during the Sui Dynasty 隋, their totem or symbol was a wolf (like later that of the Mongols), and their organisation consisted of ten tribes of whom the tribe Ashina 阿史那 was the mightiest and should produce the Qaghan rulers. Their area of origin was the Qiansichuzheshi 踦踐斯處折施 Mountain (unknown place), later they moved to the area north of Gaochang 高昌 (modern Xinjiang province) where they employed the technology of casting iron tools. In the 5th century when the Rouran 柔然 dominated the steppe the Turks moved north to the southern hills of the Altai mountains. The Rouran called the Turks "Duannu 鍛奴 slaves". At the begin of the 6th century when the Rouran empire began to weaken the Turks again moved south, and under the chieftain Tümän (Chinese: Tumen 土門) they started to develop trade with the Chinese border regions, and from 545 China and the Turks had regular "international" relations. When Tümän defeated the Rouran he was rewarded by the Western Wei (Xiwei) 西魏 emperor and was given Princess Changle 長樂公主. In 552 Tümän proclaimed himself as Yili Qaghan 伊利可汗 with a residence near the Ütükän Mountains at the Orkhon River in modern Mongolia. His brother Istämi (Chinese: Shidianmi 室點密) started campaigns to the west to expand the Turkish empire.
The Turkish empire was a federation of several tribes that accepted the dominance of a miliarily powerful and authoritative leader, the Great Qaghan (da kehan 大可汗). His male relatives were given subordinated posts and ruled the tribes (Turkish: oq, Chinese: buluo 部落) and subtribes (organised as yabghu/Chinese: yehu 葉護 , shad/she 設 or sha 殺, tigin/teqin 特勤, iltäbär/yilifa 俟利發, and tudun/tutun 吐屯). In the mid-6th century the empire of the Turks stretched from the Ordos bend of the Yellow River to the north of modern Hebei province. Under Mugan Qaghan 木杆可汗 the Turks defeated the early Khitan empire (Chinese: Qidan 契丹) in the east and the Hephthalites (or White Huns; Chinese: Yada [口+厭]噠) in the west. With the death of Tuobo 佗鉢 in 581 the Turk empire disintegrated and split into two parts, the Eastern Turks (Dong Tujue 東突厥) and the Western Turks (Xi Tujue 西突厥).
The qaghans of the first Turkish khanate:
Yili Qaghan 伊利可汗 (Tumen 土門 and his brother Shidianmi 室點密), Yixiji Qaghan 乙息記可汗 (Keluo 科羅), Mugan Qaghan 木杆可汗 (Yandusijin 燕都俟斤)
In the first phase of the Eastern Turk empire there were four rulers, Shabolüe Qaghan 沙鉢略可汗, Anluo 菴羅, Abo Qaghan 阿波可汗, and Tuli Qaghan 突利可汗. Furthermore, Istämi still reigned in the west as Yili Qaghan. The wars between these five people finally divided the Turkish empire. After the foundation of the Sui Dynasty all fractions pledged for acceptance, protection and support by the Chinese court. The Sui court protected Rangan 染干 as Qimin Qaghan 啟民可汗, had a fortification built for him and his people resettled into the territory of Chinese prefectures and helped him to regain the control over more Turkish tribes. His son Shibi Qaghan 始畢可汗 and his brothers and followers rebelled against the Sui and attacked territory of the new Tang Dynasty 唐, but in 629 the Chinese generals Li Jing 李靖 and Li Ji 李勣 defeated the Xueyantuo 薛延陀 tribe (Syr Tardush) and destroyed the Eastern Turk federation. The territory occupied by the Turks was administered as area command (dudufu 都督府) Dingxiang 定襄 and Yunzhong 雲中 and protectorates (duhufu 都護府) Shanyu 單于, and Hanhai 瀚海.
The qaghans of the first Eastern Turkish khanate:
Tuobo 佗鉢, Anluo 菴羅, Shabolüe Qaghan 沙鉢略可汗 (Shetu 攝圖), Abo Qaghan 阿波可汗 (Daluobian 大邏便), Dulan Qaghan 都蘭可汗 (Yongyulü 雍虞閭), Qimin Qaghan 啟民可汗 (Rangan 染干), Shibi Qaghan 始畢可汗 (Duojishi 咄吉世), Tuli Qaghan 突利可汗 or Yehu Qaghan 葉護 (Chuluohou 處羅侯), Illig Qaghan 頡利可汗 (Chinese: Jieli, Duobi 咄苾)
The empire of the Eastern Turks was refounded by Xiedielishi Qaghan 頡跌利施可汗 who rebelled against the Tang government in 680. General Pei Xingjian 裴行儉 was not able to prevent the foundation of a new Turkish federation. Xiedielishi's successor Mochuo Qaghan 默啜可汗 began intensive war expeditions to the southeast and submitted the Tölöş (Chinese: Tiele 鐵勒), the Uighurs (Chinese: Huihe 回纥), Kirghiz (Chinese: Xiajiagas 黠戛斯), Türgiş (Chinese: Tuqishi 突騎施), and the Tuyuhun 吐谷渾 empire, in the east he defeated the Xi 奚 and Khitan and therewith created the greatest expansion of the Turkish empire. During the reign of Empress Wu Zetian 武則天 the Turks sought for economic help after some years of famine. Their economy had changed from a pure nomadic lifestyle to agriculture with the cultivation of different field crops like wheat and millet. After the death of Mochuo the power of the Anshina clan weakened, and the Turks ceased to attack Chinese territory. In 744 the Uighur chieftain Gulipeiluo 骨力裴羅 killed the the last Eastern Turk Qaghan and adoptet the title qaghan himself.

The qaghans of the later Eastern Turkish khanate:

Ilterish Qaghan 頡跌利施可汗 (Chinese: Jiedielishi, Guduolu 骨咄祿),

Qapaghan Qaghan 默啜可汗 (Chinese: Mochuo), Fuju 匐俱, Piqie Qaghan 毗伽可汗 (Chujilian 黜棘連), Yiran Qaghan 伊然可汗, Dengli Qaghan 登利可汗, Ozmysh Qaghan (Chinese: Wusumishi 烏蘇米施可汗), Baimei Qaghan 白眉可汗
The Western Turk khanate was founded by Istämi (Chinese: Shidianmi 室點密), a brother of the first Turkish ruler Tumen 土門. During his conquest of the west, Istämi integrated other Turkish tribes (like Chuyue 處月, Chumi 處密, Türgiş) and forced other Turkis tribes (like the Tölöş, Qarluq - Chinese: Geluolu 葛邏祿, Baximi 拔悉密) to participate within the Turkish federation. He created an alliance with the Sassanid empire in Persia (Chinese: Bosi 波斯) to control the silkroad. Later he defeated the Persian troops and expanded his territory until the Oxus River (Amudarja, modern Kazakhstan). After the disintegration of the Turkish empire in 582 the western part was ruled by three potentates: Abo Qaghan 阿波可汗, Datou Qaghan 達頭可汗, and Tanhan Qaghan 貪汗可汗. Datou Qaghan interferred into the power struggle of the Eastern Turks but had to flee to the Tuyuhun empire. After some internal quarrels, Shegui Qaghan 射匱可汗 reunited the Western Turks in 612, and from 639 the Western Turks were organised in ten tribes (Turkish: on oq) and two wings (Chinese: xiang 厢) with a golden dart as symbol. The reunification and restrengthening of the Western Turks happened under Shaboluo Qaghan 沙鉢羅可汗 who attacked Chinese territory. He was captured in 658 by the Chinese general Su Dingfang who ended the rule of the Western Turks, and the protectorates Kunling 崑陵 and Mengchi 濛池 were established that were integrated to the Anxi 安西 and Beiting 北庭 protectorates in 702. The descendants of the Ashina 阿史那 clan acted as protectors-in-chief.
The qaghans of the Western Turkish khanate:
Istämi (Chinese: Shidianmi 室點密), Abo Qaghan 阿波可汗, Dianjue 玷厥 or Bujia Qaghan 步迦可汗 (Datou 達頭), Tanhan Qaghan 貪汗可汗, Nili Qaghan 泥利可汗, Nijuechuluo Qaghan 泥撅處羅可汗 (Hesana 曷薩那), Shegui Qaghan 射匱可汗, Tongyehu Qaghan 統野護可汗, Moheduosiqulisipidulu 莫賀咄俟屈利俟毗都陸 (Yangsuteqin 鞅素特勤), Yipiboluosiyehu 乙毗鉢羅肆葉護, Duolu Qaghan 咄羅可汗 (Nishu 泥孰), Shaboluodielishi 沙鉢羅咥利失, Yipiduoluo 乙毗咄羅, Moheduoyipiyehu 莫賀咄乙毗葉護, Yipishaboluoyehu 乙毗沙鉢羅葉護, Yipishegui 乙毗射匱, Shaboluo Qaghan 沙鉢羅可汗 (Helu 賀魯)
Xingxiwang Qaghan 興昔亡可汗 (Mishe 彌射) + Jiwangjue Qaghan 繼往絕可汗 (Buzhen 步真), Anshina Yuanqing 阿史那元慶 + Jiezhong Shizhu Kehan 竭忠事主可汗 (Huseluo 斛瑟羅), Onoq Qaghan (Chinese: Shixing Kehan 十姓可汗, Tuizi 俀子), Anshina Huaidao 阿史那懷道, Anshina Xian 阿史那獻, Anshia Xin 阿史那昕
Today the Turkish population of China is mainly located in Xinjiang province where we find the groups of Ainu (not related to the Japanese aboriginal population), Ili Turks, Uyghurs, Yugurs, and Salar.

Rulers (khağan) First Gokturk Empire: Bumin/Tuman Khan 534 - 552 Kelou Khan (Irksi, Kolo a.k.a. "Kök-Khan") 552 - 553 Muhan Khan 553 - 572 Istämi Khan 553 - 573 (Western Khan; brother of Bumin) Yandu Muchu Khan -563 Toubo Khan 563 - ca 580 Taspar Khan 572 - 581 Datou Khan 573 - 603 Period between the unified empires: Shabolüe Khan 580 - 581 (?) Shetu E'fu Khan 580s Rudan Buli Khan 580s Chuluo-hou Khan 580s Yongyulu Duolan Khan 581 - 601 Nili Khan 603 Qiren (Tuli) Khan 603 - before 618 Tujieli Shibi Khan 618 (?) Chuluo (Hesana) Khan 618- Xieli Khan -630 Yiwu Khan 630 Simo Khan 641-644 Chebi Khan 644-649 Baz Khan (chief of the Oghuz, self-proclaimed Gokturk) -682 Muchuo Khan 681 (or 682) -712 Second Gokturk Empire: Ilteris Sad (Idat) 680 - 691 (or 692) Qapagan Khan (Mo-ch'o) 691 - 716 (murdered) Inal Khan 716 Bilge Khan 716 - 734 (murdered) Kul Tigin Khan 716 - 731 (co-ruler with Bilge) Yollug Khan 735- Icen Khan -744 Etimis Khan 744-747 (in exile) 伊利可汗(トメン) (552年~553年) 柔然から独立し突厥を開く。 木杆可汗(ムカン) (554年~572年) 柔然を滅ぼす。中央アジアのエフタルを攻略して最盛期を築く。   (583年、東西に分裂) <東突厥> 啓民可汗(センガン) (587年~609年) 始畢可汗 (609年~619年) 隋に攻め入り朝貢を停止する。 處羅可汗 (619年~???) 頡利可汗 (???~630年) 唐に降伏し、東突厥は一時滅ぶ。 クテゥルク (682年~694年) 唐から独立し東突厥を再興させる。 カパガン (694年~716年)  ビルゲ (716年~734年)    (744年、東突厥滅ぶ) <西突厥> 統葉護可汗(619年~628年) 肆葉護可汗(628年~632年) 沙鉢羅可汗(651年~657年)唐に攻められ、捕らえられる。   (739年、西突厥滅ぶ) "http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%AA%81%E5%8E%A5" より作成
 
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That was Abbasid Caliphate when Mongol attacked Abbasid Empire, Mongol might have done the damage in Baghdad but later in Cairo Mongolians were defeated by Abbasid and Caliphate reagain its control to 400 more years. By the way there is a city in Pakistan Where Mugghal(mongol) and Abbasid live together and their decedent are mostly half Mugghal and Half Abbasid. Means future meant more then past. and The following map shows that areas of Pakistan were already ruled by Abbasid Caliphate before advent of Islam in india.

The Abbasid Khalifa was only the symbolic figurehead. The real control was in the hands of Turkic + Caucasian Mamlukes. Baibars defeated the Mongols (Hulagu Khan) at Ayn Jalut saving Cairo from the fate of Baghdad.

As for Pakistan it had already fallen under Caliphate rule under the previous Ummayads. The Mongols launched several incursions into Pakistan + NW India (Delhi Sultunate) but never gained a significant victory. At most they raided cities and then returned to the mountains of Afghanistan. Apparently one of the theories regarding the name of the Mughalpura area in Lahore was that it was settled by Mongol soldiers who had decided to stay there after one of their several failed attacks.
 
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Apparently one of the theories regarding the name of the Mughalpura area in Lahore was that it was settled by Mongol soldiers who had decided to stay there after one of their several failed attacks.
same with mongolpuri in Delhi.
 
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We Pakistanis should understand that, yes, Genghis had some very bad traits within him (and God is the judge of that), but also consider positive facts about him.

- He never allowed idols or worship of himself.

He worshipped the Sky father Tengri and Earth mother. Many Mongols even today consider him some sort of god.

- He was tolerant of all religions.

He killed millions of Muslims and Chinese.

- He adopted Islam as the state religion of the Mongol empire.

He didn't.

- If not for him, we would be a semi-Buddhist semi-Hindu semi-Islam nation.

Which would be a great thing.

I think having Pakistan or Bangladesh was not good. If there was no partition in 1947, we could have this obnoxious Hindu Nationalism in check from within India, with the force of our democratic vote and ballot box. Now they can point nukes at us and cut off our water and do all kinds of stealth machination on us. Even so, with correct geopolitics we will get over this difficulty in time.

Many in South Asia may disagree, but that is just my personal views about a hypothetical situation.

Hindui nationalism is a force for good and is totally justified.

Just like Arab nationalism is justified in their own lands.

It is the external, violent, intolerant imposition (that is so much in opposition to our relaxed ethos) that is obnoxious.

South Asia has been Dharmic for tens of thousands of years and that is it's destiny. The worst bigotry of the intolerant barbarians didn't change that.

Just a matter of time before the region finds its great destiny again.
 
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If all you guys( all sides) went atheist like me , imagine 50% of posts on PDF would reduce.
 
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Our resident Hindutva goon barks again.

Even if u take a census on pdf the level of islamist goons bark in pdf is more greater than so called hindutva barks..
And till now, dharmicc religions have been always accomodative of other religions...
And we are not the ones converted by force, rather we withstood it, to stand again...
 
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Well , Genghis and mongol were the one who destroying Muslims golden age and even now , we can see their bad effects ...

Is Islam said going and killing Muslims and raping muslims women .... Is Islam said that killing children !?

and Genghis wasn't Muslims even Hullaku ( one of his grandson ) wasn't Muslim .... so how you can saying " He was the one who spread Islam !? "


even most of kings and so called Caliphe wasn't true Muslims , the only used Islam name to fooling their naive people


well , I knew some pan Turk worshiping Genghis but why Pakistanis have the same idea as Pan Turks !?
 
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Sigh... such ignorance stemming out of dangerous levels of identity crisis is not good.

How many times does it have to be repeated: Genghis Khan's empire was not Islamic. It was Tengriist in origin as he himself was.

In fact, he brutalized many Islamic places just like any conquerer would do to a system that is of his enemy's. Sadly I always encounter Pakistanis who take so much pride in someone who was neither Muslim nor even a remote part of their history. :coffee:

Well , Genghis and mongol were the one who destroying Muslims golden age and even now , we can see their bad effects ...

Is Islam said going and killing Muslims and raping muslims women .... Is Islam said that killing children !?

and Genghis wasn't Muslims even Hullaku ( one of his grandson ) wasn't Muslim .... so how you can saying " He was the one who spread Islam !? "


even most of kings and so called Caliphe wasn't true Muslims , the only used Islam name to fooling their naive people


well , I knew some pan Turk worshiping Genghis but why Pakistanis have the same idea as Pan Turks !?

Because Pakistanis identify themselves as Perso-Arabo-Turkic by origin of ethnicities and according to them, they share nothing with India's history. So naturally there will be a strong affinity towards their once supposed-ancestors i.e. Turkics, Arabs and Persian groups of communities.

I think having Pakistan or Bangladesh was not good. If there was no partition in 1947, we could have this obnoxious Hindu Nationalism in check from within India, with the force of our democratic vote and ballot box. Now they can point nukes at us and cut off our water and do all kinds of stealth machination on us. Even so, with correct geopolitics we will get over this difficulty in time.

Many in South Asia may disagree, but that is just my personal views about a hypothetical situation.

:lol: You really think you could have got your Ottoman-wannabe lifestyle out under the regime of INA?

They were national socialists and would have crushed any such wannabe thoughts with an iron fist and you'd probably like the Uyighurs are in China today.

Be thankful you separated. Right wing is a force that will rise whenever there is an imbalance of ideologies. You can't stop it.

- He never allowed idols or worship of himself.

You clearly don't know Tengriists then.... happens when you learn fabricated history throughout.

- He was tolerant of all religions.

Which is why he nearly destroyed everything that resembled the same in Iraq and Iran....

- He adopted Islam as the state religion of the Mongol empire.

Poor knowledge of history..

- If not for him, we would be a semi-Buddhist semi-Hindu semi-Islam nation.

You're worshipping the wrong invader here, dude. Your "liberators" were Ghaznavids. :P
 
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