The Great Indian Ocean Game

[SrNair]

INS Vishal is not planned to be commissioned till the middle of the next decade and then India would have 3 carriers.

A lot of Indians forget that CBGs are expensive and India cannot really afford more than 3 CBGs by 2030.

Its our economy .GOI and IN very well know about our economy than you.We aim 3 CBG ,because we can afford it .it is expensive less thana peanut to our economy

 

[neehar]

INS Vishal is not planned to be commissioned till the middle of the next decade and then India would have 3 carriers.

A lot of Indians forget that CBGs are expensive and India cannot really afford more than 3 CBGs by 2030.

why do we need more than 3 ACC S??we are not going on camp like americans.all our accs will be in IOR at any point of time.further all of them will be in the range of our IAF.so we dont need to worry much about chinese in IOR.and u forgot about our unsinkable ACC andamans.

 

[UKBengali]

Japanese stop their achievements when nuclear bomb fall in the Nagasaki and Hiroshima.Until then they are in winning side.
Chinese has a challenge in Pacific against ,6 CBG of USN.You are right Chinese GDP is 5 times greater than us now.But at that time Indian economy may also has some advantage.Chinese is competing US.They need huge investment in PLA and PLAAF.Because they share boundaries with lot of other countries .But in future IN navy and IAF may get huge Fund than IA.Because our land mass is in strategic location.

China's army is the most powerful in Asia even now. The gap will only grow larger by 2030. Russia and India will be left even further behind by then.

I am not trying to put down India down here but you are talking, by 2030, the richest country in the world and also one of the most technologically advanced as well.

India should have no illusions about competing with Chinese Navy.

By 2030, only the US Navy will be more powerful than the Chinese but I expect the Chinese have substantially closed the gap with the US by then.

Its our economy .GOI and IN very well know about our economy than you.We aim 3 CBG ,because we can afford it .it is expensive less thana peanut to our economy

That is why I said 3 CBGs by 2030.

India can afford more but will have to wait till the 2030s before it commissions another one.

It is not just a case of having the money as no country is likely to help India with constructing 100,000 tonne super-carriers which is probably the ultimate long-term Indian aim.

I think in the 2030s India will have both the technology and the finance to be able to build a carrier of this size.

 

[sree45]

INS Vishal is not planned to be commissioned till the middle of the next decade and then India would have 3 carriers.

A lot of Indians forget that CBGs are expensive and India cannot really afford more than 3 CBGs by 2030.

We are currently operating 2 carriers. You mean to say that in the next 15 years. We will have the capability and money to operate only one more carrier?

btw why live in the future? Nobody knows what will happen tomorrow. Let's talk about the current capabilities or the capabilities of the immediate future(3-5 years).

 

[SrNair]

China's army is the most powerful in Asia even now. The gap will only grow larger by 2030. Russia and India will be left even further behind by then.

I am not trying to put down India down here but you are talking, by 2030, the richest country in the world and also one of the most technologically advanced as well.

India should have no illusions about competing with Chinese Navy.

By 2030, only the US Navy will be more powerful than the Chinese but I expect the Chinese have substantially closed the gap with the US by then.

We cant expect chinese compete US .Because US is already a developed country.But China is still a developing country.So china must spend large amount for social welfare in next decade.But in US they spend all their money scientfic advancements especially in military field.
China has challenges competing IA in Himalaya and IN in IOR is not that easy.We only care about IOR ,so our 3 CBG in IOR is perfect.But chinese must take care about Pacific Ocean ,SCS .USN ,world most powerful navy is already there.JSMDF is quite advanced and powerful.Vietnam is also better.
Plus make adventures against battle hardened ,trained ,well equipped Indian Navy in IOR.I dont think PLAN have such a grand dream and illusions

 

[UKBengali]

We are currently operating 2 carriers. You mean to say that in the next 15 years. We will have the capability and money to operate only one more carrier?

btw why live in the future? Nobody knows what will happen tomorrow. Let's talk about the current capabilities or the capabilities of the immediate future(3-5 years).

Report is based on the future.

 

[SrNair]

China's army is the most powerful in Asia even now. The gap will only grow larger by 2030. Russia and India will be left even further behind by then.

I am not trying to put down India down here but you are talking, by 2030, the richest country in the world and also one of the most technologically advanced as well.

India should have no illusions about competing with Chinese Navy.

By 2030, only the US Navy will be more powerful than the Chinese but I expect the Chinese have substantially closed the gap with the US by then.




That is why I said 3 CBGs by 2030.

India can afford more but will have to wait till the 2030s before it commissions another one.

It is not just a case of having the money as no country is likely to help India with constructing 100,000 tonne super-carriers which is probably the ultimate long-term Indian aim.

I think in the 2030s India will have both the technology and the finance to be able to build a carrier of this size.

we are not going to compete USN .so we dont need supercarrier.65000 carrier is enough and more than 3 ACC is also in pipeline

 

[Oldman1]

I think you don't get it.

By far the most experienced Navy in WW2 was the Japanese one and it only took a few years for the less experienced US Navy to defeat it.

China's x5 larger GDP, coupled with domestic technology, will allow it to build a much more capable Navy than the Indians over the next decades.

The most experienced navy? The Japanese hardly had anyone to fight before Pearl Harbor. The U.S. Navy has been training for many years since the introduction of carriers. And even after WW2 the Cold War and even now they will still constantly trained with allies for any threats.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Let us look at the scenario at the year 2030:

US will be the strongest with 11 carrier battle-groups.

China could have around 5-6 carriers with 3 70-80, 000 tonne carriers and 2-3 100,000 nuclear carriers.

India will have 3 aircraft carriers with 2 40-45,000 tonne conventional carriers and 1 65,000 tonne nuclear carrier.


So, in order, the strongest navies in the Indian Ocean will be 1.US , 2. China and India will come in at number 3.



India can only afford 3 carriers by 2030. It's economy cannot afford more than that.

well buddy now look at it this way

3 IN CBGs is not the onli thing mighty china will have to worry if ever it tries to flex is muscels in indian ocean

1.Anadman & nicobar island at the gates of mallacka straits (passage to indian ocean ) can host at least 5 squads of Mkis /FGFA in future backed by 6 P8is & equal no's of AWACS & AARs + a massive ammount amphibious ships and special forces(at least 1 lack in war time )

2.at least 4 naval bases backed by 12 -16 air bases in south india

3. at least 24 Subs (conventional & neuklear)



and the biggest draw back for china is that they will be fighting very far from home and they can never send all what you just said as Japan , S korea , Taiwan , Vietnam & USA are waiting for china to do that mistake and that Inidan navy & air force wont be bothered much about feul & supplies deu to obvious reason so think again buddy its not that easy ... bangladesh andpakistan have to fight there own war with india and china will not lower its guard to help you ... peace

 

[UKBengali]

well buddy now look at it this way

3 IN CBGs is not the onli thing mighty china will have to worry if ever it tries to flex is muscels in indian ocean

1.Anadman & nicobar island at the gates of mallacka straits (passage to indian ocean ) can host at least 5 squads of Mkis /FGFA in future backed by 6 P8is & equal no's of AWACS & AARs + a massive ammount amphibious ships and special forces(at least 1 lack in war time )

2.at least 4 naval bases backed by 12 -16 air bases in south india

3. at least 24 Subs (conventional & neuklear)



and the biggest draw back for china is that they will be fighting very far from home and they can never send all what you just said as Japan , S korea , Taiwan , Vietnam & USA are waiting for china to do that mistake and that Inidan navy & air force wont be bothered much about feul & supplies deu to obvious reason so think again buddy its not that easy ... bangladesh andpakistan have to fight there own war with india and china will not lower its guard to help you ... peace

China can send two carriers( say 1 nuclear and 1 conventional) by the route South of Australia, bypassing the Malacca straights entirely, and that would cause Indian a major headache. You forget that these 2 carriers will be escorted by many cruisers, destroyers and submarines and so it would be very powerful force indeed.

Conventional submarines would be useless in the open waters of the Indian Ocean and India would have to send it's few nuclear submarines to try to engage the Chinese fleet. China has a 40 year head start on India in building nuclear submarines so I do not think that Indian SSNs would far too well.

 

[GURU DUTT]

China can send two carriers( say 1 nuclear and 1 conventional) by the route South of Australia, bypassing the Malacca straights entirely, and that would cause Indian a major headache. You forget that these 2 carriers will be escorted by many cruisers, destroyers and submarines and so it would be very powerful force indeed.

Conventional submarines would be useless in the open waters of the Indian Ocean and India would have to send it's few nuclear submarines to try to engage the Chinese fleet. China has a 40 year head start on India in building nuclear submarines so I do not think that Indian SSNs would far too well.

ever thought what india s response will be ...
Good luck and keep dreaming

 

[UKBengali]

ever thought what india s response will be ...
Good luck and keep dreaming

You cannot answer my points then.

Have a good day.

 

[PoKeMon]

Let us look at the scenario at the year 2030:

US will be the strongest with 11 carrier battle-groups.

China could have around 5-6 carriers with 3 70-80, 000 tonne carriers and 2-3 100,000 nuclear carriers.

India will have 3 aircraft carriers with 2 40-45,000 tonne conventional carriers and 1 65,000 tonne nuclear carrier.


So, in order, the strongest navies in the Indian Ocean will be 1.US , 2. China and India will come in at number 3.



India can only afford 3 carriers by 2030. It's economy cannot afford more than that.

funny you.

Did you consider that we will have our 3 CBG in Indian ocean while china can not afford to put all its power in Indian ocean?

Did you consider what advantage IN will have because of its shore based support which china would be missing being several thousand Kms away from mainland china?

 

[UKBengali]

funny you.

Did you consider that we will have our 3 CBG in Indian ocean while china can not afford to put all its power in Indian ocean?

Did you consider what advantage IN will have because of its shore based support which china would be missing being several thousand Kms away from mainland china?

When did 2 CBG out of 5-6 become all it's power?

And you forget that engaging a CBG group would also mean having to engage many cruisers and destroyers armed with hundreds of long-range SAMs.

 

[SrNair]

China can send two carriers( say 1 nuclear and 1 conventional) by the route South of Australia, bypassing the Malacca straights entirely, and that would cause Indian a major headache. You forget that these 2 carriers will be escorted by many cruisers, destroyers and submarines and so it would be very powerful force indeed.

Conventional submarines would be useless in the open waters of the Indian Ocean and India would have to send it's few nuclear submarines to try to engage the Chinese fleet. China has a 40 year head start on India in building nuclear submarines so I do not think that Indian SSNs would far too well.

We agree china is ahead of us in the case of Submarine.But we can effectively deploying ACC against them.You dont consider Indian nuclear submarine.We have 6 nuclear submarines in 2030.After all I dont think china can deploy two CBG in IOR.China is still lag years behind in operating CBG.Presently only country that has ,uch power projection is USN.And you cant ignore.In coming years IN navy get large funding and even more than IA.Because we need to patrol all IOR region.You dont consider the arms build up of JMSDF.Japanese Navy is formidable and quite advanced than chinese.3 CBG is dont enough to counter Japanese navy let alone US navy.And we also consider IAF base Andaman Nicobar Islands and bases in south India.But bangladesh dont worry .we dont use our military power against our small neighbours.For us military action is a last resort and only for our security.