The Great Game Changer: Belt and Road Intiative (BRI; OBOR)

[danger007]

We don't want to take Siberia,but Russians fear it
And Soviet Union was Chinese ally in 1950s,they use you because their relation with us broken

really... am surprised. .

 

[TaiShang]

That Carlosa dude is a hypocrite that's for sure just like 55100864 has pointed already.
Here he is trying to tell us that China must help Russia unconditionally and forget about SCS, the real threat is USA.
It's no secret he is very pro Vietnam claiming he has lived in USA/China/VN for many years, his anti China posts are all over the place and yet he dare say he is neutral. Even when nihonjin posted a funny picture recently on a thread about China and SCS/VN he immediately attacked him for taking side of China.

So spare us with the fake acting, China will deal with the situation the Russians are facing right now and at the same time we ain't losing our sights on SCS, especially dealing with out pet. We shall slap the Vietcongs in their face whenever it's necessary.

Obviously China can deal with the issues of Russia-West conflict and the SCS/ECS simultaneously. It has enough human capital, historical experience and economic power to do that. No need to sacrifice one for the sake of other. I wonder why some people doubt China's capability to do so. Foreign policy is never linear; maybe so for small countries. But not for China. It is multi-track and multilateral.

 

[BuddhaPalm]

China should oppose American hegemony on principle not merely national interests. Since Putin's Russia shares the same ideology we are naturally partners. We settled our border with Russia and should try to re-open the dispute. Everybody who oppose American hegemony is our ally!

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

China should oppose American hegemony on principle not merely national interests. Since Putin's Russia shares the same ideology we are naturally partners. We settled our border with Russia and should try to re-open the dispute.

KMT supporters (anti-China crowd) won't like that.

Though I doubt they liked our $800 billion gas deal with Russia either, or our currency swap agreement even when the Ruble is falling.

 

[BuddhaPalm]

You need a reality check buddy.

While Russia and USA are in conflict we will take out our most evil enemy the Viets. We let this tumor continue to infest SE Asia for far too long. Now it's time to reduce Vietnam to mail order brides. Massive invasion, brutal occupation and population control will be the final solution. Thanks to USA for focusing on Russia while leaving Viets to suffer pain.

 

[kuge]

For China's Russia lovers,Russia is more like a daddy than a friend or partner
But for us the people know Russian nature,we know Russia support Vietnam,support India,we know they fear Chinese take over of Siberia,they will never get close to China,so wishful think can't replace the reality

i broadly agreed..
i think russia-china's ship floats solely on profit. there is no real friend in a dog-eat-dog hostile world of self-interest.

 

[sahaliyan]

i broadly agreed..
i think russia-china's ship floats solely on profit. there is no real friend in a dog-eat-dog hostile world of self-interest.

However I think we should keep good relation with Russia(we should don't join sanctions against Russia,we should do business with Russia,you know it's a chance for China to dominant Russian market) ,US see us as threat,Russians broken ties with west is a good thing for us,we should get benefit from it

 

[MarkusS]

The UK is closer to the US than they are to other European nations.

France/Germany/Italy have no chance to compete against the Anglo-Saxon inner circle for the turbofan engine technology.

As long as the UK is still there, Airbus has no chance to compete against Boeing for the aerospace dominance.

The UK is closer to itself than it is to the USA. Airbus is the british aviation corporation. As it is also french, german, italian and spanish. And you are right! Airbus has no chance to compete against Boeing. Somehow we managed to sell more planes, generate more profits and even push Boeing out of their traditional core market inside the USA and Japan. Airbus reached the market dominance of the world as Nr. 1 seller of airplanes. But we cant break the dominance of the Nr. 2. Wait a minute? lol

dude your nonsense is so laughable that it makes me laugh. Btw you do realize that turbofan engines are in no way special and are produced in evrywhere in europe? There is a market oligopoly between R&R, P&W and GE. That doesnt mean that two nations own the holy grail of turbofan engines. Turbo fan engines are easy to build, maintain and to develop. evry weastern european nation has the ability to build this. After all its a concept thats over 60 years old. The imagination that this is some "magic" super technology can only come frome someone who is from a developing country. Just a hint for you. Siemens could build you any turbofan engine you want. And so does Alstom SNECMA.

Maybe Boeing should use its "dominance" to become the nr. 1 producer of airplanes again. they lost this title 14 years ago against airbus. ha ha ha ha

 

[BuddhaPalm]

KMT supporters (anti-China crowd) won't like that.

Of course, let's not forget mainland China has a KMT too

 

[xunzi]

Between Russia and USA, who is the bigger threat to our existence? The answer is pretty obvious, the USA! But it is also the USA that can help in our development. We are walking in a tight rope, a very thin rope I must say. It is important that we don't get drag into either side but to play the neutral role, a mediator role between Russia and the West. After all, if push comes to shove, Russia has enough nuke to destroy the world. I also don't believe the West got the ball to **** with Russia/China because we are too powerful and we can destroy them, too. The real battle is on the economic level as you can already see. The West seek to suffocate Russia with their advance technology and dominant in the global economic system. They can do the same to us, although it would be tougher as we are far more advance than Russia in industrial technology and we also happen to be the West's creditor. So they need us, just as much as we need them to continue development.

 

[Carlosa]

@Carlosa
I find your biases and hypocrisy quite amusing. I know your are anti-china and pro Russia, on one hand, you dream about drag the USA into SCS to crash the Chinese imperialism in order to save your beloved Vietnam, a nation that is gradually becoming an US lackey. On the other hand, you want China to unconditionally help your beloved Russia, and keep badmouthing how despicable we Chinese are taking advantage of Russia's misery. You must think the CCP are all retarded do you? Care to explain to me why is that a mutual beneficial relationship between China and Russia become China sucking Russian blood?

We fully understand what's going on around global, you keep talking about saving Russia is saving ourselves, that's right, you will find no Chinese on this forum disagree with that, but the Russian should also know that helping China is also helping themselves, no?? In addition, i think Russia is not as miserable as many people think, the west now is like killing 100 enemies by sacrificing 80 own men, the EU is in decline and will sleep with anyone who can give them a little bit comfort, the US is also panicking and running out of ideas, you can see from their rather childish ranting in recent years, you never see US behave like this. So anyway, how about a deep and comprehensive cooperation between China and Russia? and here my thought on the grand Chinese Marshall plan to counter strike the west.

1. Most important, share of intel and experiences. Russia has accumulated extensive intel on the US military (submarine, nuclear arsenals, CIA deployment，etc...) we also have extremely advanced intel gathering capabilities and experiences
2. China should launch massive( i mean really MASSIVE) investment in Russia to help them rebuild their industries and finance, but this can not happen without enough protection from Russia government and a bold reform of their industry structure. They seriously need to get rid of the their insecurity toward China, and execute all the xenophobic neo nazi punks. We have no intention to invade Siberia，seriously, they outsourced all of their infrastructure to the turks, but not China??? With our unprecedented industry might, we can turn the bleak Sino Russia border into a dynamic economic zone in 5 years.
3. We can help Russia to expand their navy base in Vladivostok, Russia may find difficult funding their new navy vessels, but we can leverage their pressure from Pacific by frequently conducting joint exercise near Kuril Islands.
4. Politically, we obovisely have more say in BRICS, but to be honest, BRICS is a joke at least for now, Brazil is a useless shithole country, the country of the future and will always be, US has huge influence in S America, but we have enough influence to make Brazil neutral，other wise they can say bye bye to growth, same as India, actually, Russia can still sucking Indian blood. In the SCO block, Russia can give China more access to central Asia politics while they still have some influence in that region, they will lose that remained influence sooner or late, it's much more easier to build the land based new silk road than the maritime silk road, they better give it to china than to the west. We can also cooperate on the Arctic Ocean issues.
5. Technology? not so much, i'm tired about some clueless people talking about we will sucking up all the Russian technologies, there is nothing Russia has that we desperately desires, we actually have far better electronics( AEWC，avionics，data-link) we can help Russia in these fields. Russian have better missile, better submarine, better jet engine，but we don't need it, because our jet engine R&D projects had chosen a completely different technological path from Russia, and will reach maturity soon. but we certainly can cooperate on space, fusion reactor etc.....
6. Energy security, no need to say.....!
7. We will NOT give up the ECS and SCS claim, our maneuver in these disputes areas can easily drive the US attentions away from Russia. Maybe you should ask your beloved Vietnam to see the bigger picture, we will have the full control over SCS sooner or later, by that time, the maritime silk road will became a reality, it like releasing a caged dragon, which would means the game over of US hegemony，sound？？let face the reality here, what can vietnam get even we gift the whole SCS to her? The SCS in Vietnam's hand is just SCS, a swimming pool, but the SCS in our hand would be a nightmare for the west.

I don't have a problem with most of your points and I don't see how that differs from what I said. I have no issues with your deep and comprehensive cooperation between China and Russia, but that requires time and that will not help now.

You said "you want China to unconditionally help your beloved Russia, and keep badmouthing how despicable we Chinese are taking advantage of Russia's misery.". When did I badmouth how Chinese are taking advantage of Russia's misery?

I already clarified that by unconditional help I meant to help by not taking advantage of their situation. Many chinese members here keep talking about only helping if there is profit, they are saying that, not me, I just keep telling them that they don't see the big picture of what's going on, how is that badmouthing china?

In the SCS, I do oppose china and I'm not going to change my mind on that because I consider china to be wrong. What I tried to say is to forget about those conflicts and concentrate into what is really the priority, it does not have to mean that you give up anything, just to keep the priorities clear and I suggested a better way to deal with differences in those areas, but you don't seem to be interested on that, that's fine, but I tell you, if you think that china is going to have much time to keep doing what has being doing, you are wrong and if you think that they are going to let you take control of SCS or ECS, you are wrong again. Actually, your aggressive behavior in SCS is inviting a response and labeling yourself as a threat before you are fully prepared to deal with USA. I think Mr. Xi is a bit too impatient.

I'm not biased or hipocritical. I'm very clear where I stand and what the big picture is, I'm pro Viet when it comes to that conflict, but I'm trying to rise above that and concentrate in the big picture because that's what is really important and will affect everybody (everybody in the region will continue to survive with or without those islands, Its really a petty conflict), but you prefer to attack me and stay at the perspective of the regional conflicts which in the end only creates more enemies for yourself and make your adversary stronger, that's a self defeating strategy in the end, but fine with me, go on with that and we'll see later how that works out.

Regarding the SCS, you are running ahead of your capabilities, you don't have the power projection capabilities to keep the area in your hands in the face of an american assault; it would be very easy for them to wipe you out of there and then it would be them that will use those facilities. All you are doing there is putting everybody against you, creating new enemies and making it easy for USA to justify what they are planning to do there to you; actually, you are doing what they needed you to do. You actually played into their game and their trap.

Conclusion, I oppose china at the local level, but at the global level China and Russia are needed to break the american empire. I have no problem with having both positions and I tried to talk to you in a friendly way. I would think you should try to gain more friends, not more enemies, but of course china will do what it will do.

While Russia and USA are in conflict we will take out our most evil enemy the Viets. We let this tumor continue to infest SE Asia for far too long. Now it's time to reduce Vietnam to mail order brides. Massive invasion, brutal occupation and population control will be the final solution. Thanks to USA for focusing on Russia while leaving Viets to suffer pain.

I can see that you are very smart, wise strategy. Good luck with that.

 

[Raphael]

China Offers Enhanced Cooperation as Russia Struggles - Bloomberg

China offered enhanced economic ties with Russia at a regional summit this week as its northern neighbor struggled to contain a currency crisis.

“To help counteract an economic slowdown, China is ready to provide financial aid to develop cooperation,” Premier Li Keqiang said at a Dec. 15 gathering in Astana, Kazakhstan. While the remark applied to any of the five other nations represented at the meeting of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization group, it was directed at Russia, according to a person familiar with the matter who asked not to be named as the plans weren’t public.

Any rescue package for Russia would give China the opportunity of exercising the kind of great-power leadership the U.S. has demonstrated for a century -- sustaining other economies with its superior financial resources. President Xi Jinping last month called for China to adopt “big-country diplomacy” as he laid out goals for elevating his nation’s status.

“If the Kremlin decides to seek assistance from Beijing, it’s very unlikely for the Xi leadership to turn it down,” said Cheng Yijun, senior researcher with the Institute of Russian, Eastern European, Central Asian Studies at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences in Beijing. “This would be a perfect opportunity to demonstrate China is a friend indeed, and also its big power status.”

China Ready
Russia isn’t in talks with China about any financial aid, said Dmitry Peskov, a spokesman for President Vladimir Putin. He said he didn’t know if China is preparing to offer aid. China’s Foreign Ministry, asked about assisting Russia, said the country is ready to work with all members of the SCO group to strengthen economic cooperation.

One-time Cold War ally China already proved a help to its neighbor embroiled in tensions with the U.S. and European Union earlier this year, signing a three-decade, $400 billion deal to buy Russian gas.

Seeking China’s support is one of Russia’s most realistic options, the state-run Chinese newspaper Global Times wrote in a Dec. 17 editorial. A decision on whether to use some of its windfall gains from falling oil prices to aid Russia would hinge on whether Putin’s government is willing to ask for assistance, said Cheng, who is also a research fellow at the Development Research Center, which is a unit of the State Council, or cabinet.

Putin Grit
The two nations’ strategic partnership means that China would have to step in if the ruble crisis deepens, Cheng said.

Putin gave no indication he was entertaining the idea of asking for Chinese help. In an annual press conference, he warned that his nation’s economic slump could drag on for two years. Blaming the U.S. and Europe for the crisis, he advised his central bank not to spend shrinking currency reserves to protect the ruble, which has plunged 32 percent in the past two months against the dollar.

Russia’s currency weakened 2.3 percent this week even after the central bank raised its key interest rate to 17 percent from 10.5 percent.

IMF Difficulty
While emerging markets facing such situations typically can turn to the International Monetary Fund for help, Russia’s impasse with Group of Seven nations over the situation in Ukraine may make it difficult to find loan conditions agreeable to all member countries, given that the U.S. and European nations dominate the Washington-based lender.

Putin in any case “would probably rather cut off an arm than negotiate a financial support package” with nations whose sanctions helped fuel its crisis, William Hess, co-head of research at New York-based PRC Macro Advisors Ltd., wrote in an e-mailed note Dec. 17.

Meantime, Russia’s strategic importance to China means it may consider “bold steps” at a time when few others are willing to help, he said. “This brings us back to China and leaves Xi Jinping and China as Putin’s possible white knight.”

China has used $25 billion of its foreign-exchange reserves to support oil supply from a Sino-Russian pipeline, and another $67.3 billion to boost the supply of crude oil from Russia, according to a statement on the central Chinese government’s website posted this week. The statement didn’t specify what type of support was provided or a time frame for the help, other than saying it was since Li took office in March 2013.

Reserve Strength
China’s reserves -- the world’s largest -- stood at $3.89 trillion at the end of September. Russia had $373.7 billion at the end of last month, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.

At the Astana gathering of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization this week, Li met with Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev. The group includes Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan along with Russia and China.

“China is ready to take such measures bilaterally and with other members of the SCO group,” Li said of his offer for help.

Faxed questions to China’s State Council on a potential specific offer of aid went unanswered. Asked whether China would offer support to Russia amid its crisis, Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang said that “we believe that Russia is capable of surmounting the current temporary difficulty,” citing its currency reserves, natural resources, industry and relatively low government debt.

’New’ Points
“We are ready to work with all SCO members to step up economic cooperation, promote economic restructuring and upgrade, and explore new growth points of cooperation so as to achieve common development and stability,” the spokesman said, according to a transcript of the briefing.

Russia’s currency-swap deal with China is one potential avenue of help, said Arthur Kroeber, Beijing-based managing director of economic research firm Gavekal Dragonomics. The agreement on a three-year 150 billion yuan ($24 billion) local-currency swap was one of the accords reached between Putin and Xi in October.

“China values Russia as a strategic counterweight to the U.S. and so has no interest in a Russia implosion,” Kroeber wrote in an e-mailed response to questions. Kroeber said that low risk of a Russia collapse means that “Chinese assistance other than maybe a bit of discreet buying of ruble assets” is “not that necessary.”

China, the world’s largest oil importer, has emerged as one of the biggest winners from the slump in the fuel’s price that has hammered its northern neighbor. A 30 percent drop in the price of oil alone could add 0.3 to 0.5 percentage point to China’s growth, says Mizuho Bank Ltd.

Russia’s crisis is a double-edged sword for China, said Wang Haiyun, a former Chinese military attaché to Russia and a senior consultant to the Shanghai Cooperation Organization.

“If China gets involved too much it would risk being dragged into the crisis itself,” Wang said. “China could offer to bail out Russia but at the same time it has to watch out for any potential risks.”

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Good.

The drop in global oil prices is really going to boost our economic output this year as well.

 

[rida.rwp]

I think Russia has to accept the co-operation with China, with the support of China Russia can defeat the America.

 

[TaiShang]

I guess there is gonna be a sort of deal to assist Russia but it will probably be clandestine.