The Great Game Changer: Belt and Road Intiative (BRI; OBOR)

[ViXuyen]

Rott ... China is offering to us the same. Confusing what you talking about ?

If they try to nuke us, all the radiation falls back to them and take them down along with us; any of their surviving population will turn into another "special" speci

 

[xunzi]

he, he, What China do in Pak now is same tactic what China did in Vietnam war, China has built a roads from China in to soil of north provinces of Vietnam. 1979 China invaded in to Vietnam in this roads .

For Vietnam, intervention of USA and China is not permited to happen again. Vietnam join to ASEAN and we can change the policy system as slowly, step and step to become democracy sociality.

You try too hard to smear our relation with Pakistan, my two-face Vietnamese friend. We know you are not trust worthy. Remember both us and USA hate you during the 1970s because of your aggression against neighbors and your ambition to rule over Southeast Asia. Unfortunately today you will not have that opportunity and you will face fierce competition. Even in ASEAN, you are just one player and is not view as a leader. That leader role will be Indonesia in the long term. If you try to dominate Southeast Asia again, it will not be only us, but USA and Southeast Asia leaders will reign in to destroy you. Remember sanction in 1980s? You are just a weak country without anything good but cheap labor. In fact, numerous companies have complains of the laziness from your labor worker.

he, he, What China do in Pak now is same tactic what China did in Vietnam war, China has built a roads from China in to soil of north provinces of Vietnam. 1979 China invaded in to Vietnam in this roads .

For Vietnam, intervention of USA and China is not permited to happen again. Vietnam join to ASEAN and we can change the policy system as slowly, step and step to become democracy sociality.

You try too hard to smear our relation with Pakistan, my two-face Vietnamese friend. We know you are not trust worthy. Remember both us and USA hate you during the 1970s because of your aggression against neighbors and your ambition to rule over Southeast Asia. Unfortunately today you will not have that opportunity and you will face fierce competition. Even in ASEAN, you are just one player and is not view as a leader. That leader role will be Indonesia in the long term. If you try to dominate Southeast Asia again, it will not be only us, but USA and Southeast Asia leaders will reign in to destroy you. Remember sanction in 1980s? You are just a weak country without anything good but cheap labor. In fact, numerous companies have complains of the laziness from your labor worker.

 

[Rechoice]

You try too hard to smear our relation with Pakistan, my two-face Vietnamese friend. We know you are not trust worthy. Remember both us and USA hate you during the 1970s because of your aggression against neighbors and your ambition to rule over Southeast Asia. Unfortunately today you will not have that opportunity and you will face fierce competition. Even in ASEAN, you are just one player and is not view as a leader. That leader role will be Indonesia in the long term. If you try to dominate Southeast Asia again, it will not be only us, but USA and Southeast Asia leaders will reign in to destroy you. Remember sanction in 1980s? You are just a weak country without anything good but cheap labor. In fact, numerous companies have complains of the laziness from your labor worker.


You try too hard to smear our relation with Pakistan, my two-face Vietnamese friend. We know you are not trust worthy. Remember both us and USA hate you during the 1970s because of your aggression against neighbors and your ambition to rule over Southeast Asia. Unfortunately today you will not have that opportunity and you will face fierce competition. Even in ASEAN, you are just one player and is not view as a leader. That leader role will be Indonesia in the long term. If you try to dominate Southeast Asia again, it will not be only us, but USA and Southeast Asia leaders will reign in to destroy you. Remember sanction in 1980s? You are just a weak country without anything good but cheap labor. In fact, numerous companies have complains of the laziness from your labor worker.

How many face China has ? In the past China showed of that you have too many face. In Vietnam war China would like to fight against US to last Vietnamese, used China position in Vietnam war to do bargain with US 1972. In fact China liked to take hegemony in region after USA withdrawal from Vietnam. Reunification of Vietnam is not target of China policy. So why China backed Khmer Rouge attacked Vietnam from 1976 to 1978.

China changed his face very fast. Pak should learn a lesson soon or late.

You lie, Vietnam joined to ASEAN is not for an intention to get the position to be leader of region and Vietnamese labor worker is not lazy, it depended on how the company paid and treated them.

turn back to topic : China must keep up with Russia and forget what happent in 1969.

 

[BoQ77]

turn back to topic : China must keep up with Russia and forget what happent in 1969.

Do you know why China focus on multi rocket launchers development after 1969 conflict with Soviet Union ?
My father told me the fact cause me related to 1979 conflict, when Soviet Union deployed many multi rocket launchers to Vietnam hill levels by helicopters ... but they are never used for that conflict ...

 

[Sanchez]

Why are so many mad dogs from vn? This is a Russia China thread!

 

[Rechoice]

Why are so many mad dogs from vn? This is a Russia China thread!

Read how mad dog from China is barking on us first in post N. 2. followed the thread post.

Chinese Tiger 1986 said:

:The problem is that we are not interested in Pinoy or Viet's land.

China is more interested about Taiwan and Mongolia so far.

In fact China robbed our islands.

 

[xunzi]

How many face China has ? In the past China showed of that you have too many face. In Vietnam war China would like to fight against US to last Vietnamese, used China position in Vietnam war to do bargain with US 1972. In fact China liked to take hegemony in region after USA withdrawal from Vietnam. Reunification of Vietnam is not target of China policy. So why China backed Khmer Rouge attacked Vietnam from 1976 to 1978.

China changed his face very fast. Pak should learn a lesson soon or late.

You lie, Vietnam joined to ASEAN is not for an intention to get the position to be leader of region and Vietnamese labor worker is not lazy, it depended on how the company paid and treated them.

turn back to topic : China must keep up with Russia and forget what happent in 1969.

This is why people often look down on you Vietnamese because you lack intelligent on historical knowledge, especially major events that led to the reason why we allied with the West. You are probably too stupid but I will advice you to learn the reason for the Sino-Soviet Split.

The Sino-Soviet Split not only lead us to ally with the West to destroy the Soviet but also affect our relation with you and other communist states throughout the world. For a small free education from me to you, I will teach you a little bit.

I admit we were very stupid at the time, believing wholeheartedly in Communist ideology and hated anything to do with Western capitalism. The Communist brotherhood at the time led us to engage in the Korean and Vietnam War. We felt betray when the Soviet Union, one of the head, if not the leader of Communist movement, decided to cuddle up with the West in late 1950s when Khrushchev opened talks with the USA in his pursuit of "peaceful coexistence" policy. This policy really **** up our mindset and we were stuck to fending off ourselves in the name of communism. With the Sino-Soviet split tension rising, it triggered an effect on all levels of relation. At this point, we had no choice but to ally with the West to destroy the Soviet Union.

You, of course being a slave of both, betrayed us and side with the Soviet. I don't blame you, though. Soviet Union is a superpower communist while we were weak and "confusing" with ideology. I also don't blame the Soviet for doing what's best for their national interest which is moving away from hardcore communism to a semi-communism, "peaceful coexistence" with Western capitalism. I only blame ourselves for believing in this nonsensical communist brotherhood. That was one of the main reason we are no longer engaged in ideological battle worldwide and shift our foreign policy from engagement to non-interference. The non-interference policy allows us to maneuver and works with any countries regardless of their ideologies.

Vietnamese workers are known as lazy. This is why foreign companies didn't want to open factory in your country but rather China. Up recently with no choices due to our govt policy shifting away from export to domestic consumption, the rise of wage, foreign companies began to shift to VN seeking cheap labor. However, it is remain to be seen if you have the hardworking ethic of Chinese people. My guess if they will run eventually because Vietnamese only known to complain, work little but ask for higher wage, and tend to arrive late to work.

 

[he-man]

This is why people often look down on you Vietnamese because you lack intelligent on historical knowledge, especially major events that led to the reason why we allied with the West. You are probably too stupid but I will advice you to learn the reason for the Sino-Soviet Split.

The Sino-Soviet Split not only lead us to ally with the West to destroy the Soviet but also affect our relation with you and other communist states throughout the world. For a small free education from me to you, I will teach you a little bit.

I admit we were very stupid at the time, believing wholeheartedly in Communist ideology and hated anything to do with Western capitalism. The Communist brotherhood at the time led us to engage in the Korean and Vietnam War. We felt betray when the Soviet Union, one of the head, if not the leader of Communist movement, decided to cuddle up with the West in late 1950s when Khrushchev opened talks with the USA in his pursuit of "peaceful coexistence" policy. This policy really **** up our mindset and we were stuck to fending off ourselves in the name of communism. With the Sino-Soviet split tension rising, it triggered an effect on all levels of relation. At this point, we had no choice but to ally with the West to destroy the Soviet Union.

You, of course being a slave of both, betrayed us and side with the Soviet. I don't blame you, though. Soviet Union is a superpower communist while we were weak and "confusing" with ideology. I also don't blame the Soviet for doing what's best for their national interest which is moving away from hardcore communism to a semi-communism, "peaceful coexistence" with Western capitalism. I only blame ourselves for believing in this nonsensical communist brotherhood. That was one of the main reason we are no longer engaged in ideological battle worldwide and shift our foreign policy from engagement to non-interference. The non-interference policy allows us to maneuver and works with any countries regardless of their ideologies.

Vietnamese workers are known as lazy. This is why foreign companies didn't want to open factory in your country but rather China. Up recently with no choices due to our govt policy shifting away from export to domestic consumption, the rise of wage, foreign companies began to shift to VN seeking cheap labor. However, it is remain to be seen if you have the hardworking ethic of Chinese people. My guess if they will run eventually because Vietnamese only known to complain, work little but ask for higher wage, and tend to arrive late to work.

What are ur views on india-china relationship in the future?

 

[xunzi]

What are ur views on india-china relationship in the future?

We have a very good idea of what India wants but choose not to give what India wants. The key is we want to remain at tension with India, just as we want to do with these troublemakers in Japan and Philippines. It's good for our national interest to remain in a constant state of tension. So we will cooperate where there is mutual benefit such as economies and compete in areas of military and political. In the international arena, actually India copies our style of diplomacy. We know that. India looks at the success of China diplomacy and modernization and you guys want to mimic it. It won't be easy because the West are aware of this tactic and try to pressure India into picking a side.

 

[he-man]

We have a very good idea of what India wants but choose not to give what India wants. The key is we want to remain at tension with India, just as we want to do with these troublemakers in Japan and Philippines. It's good for our national interest to remain in a constant state of tension. So we will cooperate where there is mutual benefit such as economies and compete in areas of military and political. In the international arena, actually India copies our style of diplomacy. We know that. India looks at the success of China diplomacy and modernization and you guys want to mimic it. It won't be easy because the West are aware of this tactic and try to pressure India into picking a side.

U should hope we don't actually pick a side

 

[cirr]

China to Invest $5Bln in Russia's Far East

• By Alexander Panin
• Apr. 13 2014 16:37
• Last edited 16:38

Andrei Makhonin / VedomostiA freight train riding on Russia’s rail network, part of which is being modernized to faciliate trade with Asia.


Amid increasing tensions with the West, Russia is making progress on long-awaited deals with its eastern neighbor, China.

The China Development Bank has confirmed its plans to invest $5 billion in Russia's Far East, news reports said Friday.

Investments will be channeled to regional economic zones and will finance large infrastructure projects, Russia's Far East Development Ministry said.

"Russia is ready to take on the transit cargo coming from the Asia-Pacific region to Europe, in line with the plans of the Chinese government to reanimate the Great Silk Way," said Far East Development Minister Alexander Galushka.

The new silk way is not meant to be a physical replica of the ancient route that connected China and the Mediterranean through Persia, but is rather a general concept of a land and sea transport corridor that has the same purpose — to link Asia and Europe, Galushka said.

The Trans-Siberian and Baikal-Amur railroads — in which Russia is investing $18 billion to modernize — could make up the land part of the route, reinforced by a seaway to the north.

"Speaking of the silk way, it is necessary to mention the Northern Sea Route, which has a considerable advantage over the traditional seaways connecting Europe and Asia [via the Suez Canal]," the Far East development minister said.

The route that crosses the icy waters of Russia's part of the Arctic is considerably shorter and, besides time, saves the expense of tons of diesel fuel. According to Galushka, the northern route is on average 25 percent cheaper than the traditional one through the Suez.

China's interest in the route is mounting. In the summer of 2013, Russian icebreakers led the first Chinese commercial ship through the Northern Sea Route to Rotterdam. It reached the destination 15 days earlier than it usually takes to go from China to Europe.

Beijing's interest in the Far East comes as trade between Russia and China is growing rapidly. The annual trade turnover is currently at almost $90 billion and is expected to surpass $100 billion in the coming years.

Another strong point of contact, besides transport, is energy relations. On Wednesday, Russia's state-owned energy giant Gazprom announced that the long-discussed deal to supply gas to China is poised to be finally inked in May, when President Vladimir Putin plans to visit the country.

Under the preliminary terms of the contract, Russia is slated to supply China with 68 billion cubic meters of gas per year, which is slightly more than it would transport to Europe through the South Stream pipeline.

"The Far East investment agreement and the upcoming gas contract with China are not connected, it just so happened that long years of work bear fruit simultaneously," said Gleb Ivashentsov, deputy head of the Russian Research Center for the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation Forum.

"But at the same time this is a sign for Europe that Russia has economic partners elsewhere as well. Namely, in the east," Ivashentsov said.

Besides China, Russia is teaming up with South Korea and Japan. Although these countries maintain close ties with the West, they have not yet supported the sanctions imposed on Russia, Ivashentsov added.

China to Invest $5Bln in Russia's Far East | Business | The Moscow Times

 

[cirr]

Russia says long-sought China gas supply deal is close

Wed Apr 9, 2014 11:21am EDT


* China, Russia discuss gas deal for at least a decade

* Russia sees progress on price at China talks

* Moscow hopes to sign gas deal with China in May (Edits, adds talks on Ukraine crisis)

By Katya Golubkova and Vladimir Soldatkin

MOSCOW, April 9 (Reuters) - Russia said on Wednesday it was close to signing a deal to sell natural gas to China, a long-sought agreement which President Vladimir Putin could use to show Western sanctions over Crimea cannot isolate his country.

The deal is the Holy Grail for Russia after at least 10 years of talks and Moscow hopes it can be signed when Putin visits China next month.

There was no immediate comment by China, whose negotiating position has been strengthened by Western threats to impose more sanctions on Russia if Moscow sends its armed forces into eastern Ukraine following its annexation of Crimea.

As talks between state-controlled Gazprom and Chinese officials continued in China, Arkady Dvorkovich, a deputy prime minister, said the sides were close to sealing a deal that would also involve construction of a pipeline to carry 38 billion cubic metres (bcm) of gas a year.

"Regarding Gazprom's gas contract, the sides are close to agreement ... The only issue remaining is ... the price," he was quoted as saying by Itar-Tass news agency in Beijing. "We really hope that the contract will be signed in May."

Gazprom said separately that there had been progress at the talks on the price China would pay for the Russian gas and that it expected the contract to come into force by the end of 2014. It gave no further details of the negotiations.

Industry sources said before the latest round of talks that Gazprom could try to secure a deal by proposing a lower price for the gas in exchange for China handing over billions of dollars in upfront payments.

The sources said Gazprom was hoping for a price of $10-$11 per mmBtu (million British thermal units) from China. China is believed to pay $9 per mmBtu to Turkmenistan, the former Soviet state in Central Asia that beat Gazprom to the Chinese market.

The deal would help Gazprom reduce its dependency on exports to Europe, which gets around a third of its gas needs from Russia. Half of this amount comes via Ukraine, which is at odds with Moscow over gas payments as well as being locked in a political standoff over the Crimea region.

Ukraine owes Gazprom $2.2 billion for gas and failed to meet a deadline this week for paying its March gas bill.

Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev told a government meeting there were grounds to make Kiev pay in advance for its gas, but Putin suggested holding off on such a move for now.

Gazprom has increased the gas price for Ukraine by 80 percent since the neighboring former Soviet republic ousted Moscow-backed President Viktor Yanukovich on Feb. 22 and installed a Westward-looking government.

Kiev said the price rise was a politically motivated move to punish it for pursuing closer ties with the European Union.



RUSSIA LOOKS EAST

The crisis in relations with Kiev has made bypassing Ukraine by using different pipelines, or reorienting trade to the East, priorities for Putin, and Russia has been working hard to develop relations with Asia.

Russia's desire to find new markets has also strengthened Beijing's negotiating position on the price at talks involving China National Petroleum Corp.

Gazprom has been in painstaking talks over the last 10 years about shipping gas to China and has been unable to agree on pricing.

Russia ships around 16 percent of its crude exports to Asia, while gas volumes are small, limited only to super-cooled seaborne gas.

By 2035, Moscow plans to double the share of oil flows and send a third of its gas exports eastwards, though its plans are constrained by the lack of necessary infrastructure.

Russia, which extracted an average 10.56 million barrels of oil per day last month, exports around 4.4 million bpd of oil in total. It is gradually reducing west-bound flows in favour of Asia.

Sanctions imposed on Russia over its annexation of Crimea are mainly limited to individuals but the EU has stepped up discussion of options to reduce its dependence on Russian energy.

Russian Energy Minister Alexander Novak said on Wednesday that Moscow planned to expand its East Siberia-Pacific Ocean pipeline to 80 million tonnes (1.6 million barrels per day) by 2020, as part of plans to diversify away from Europe. (Editing by Elizabeth Piper, Timothy Heritage and Dale Hudson)

UPDATE 3-Russia says long-sought China gas supply deal is close| Reuters

 

[Rechoice]

This is why people often look down on you Vietnamese because you lack intelligent on historical knowledge, especially major events that led to the reason why we allied with the West. You are probably too stupid but I will advice you to learn the reason for the Sino-Soviet Split.

The Sino-Soviet Split not only lead us to ally with the West to destroy the Soviet but also affect our relation with you and other communist states throughout the world. For a small free education from me to you, I will teach you a little bit.

I admit we were very stupid at the time, believing wholeheartedly in Communist ideology and hated anything to do with Western capitalism. The Communist brotherhood at the time led us to engage in the Korean and Vietnam War. We felt betray when the Soviet Union, one of the head, if not the leader of Communist movement, decided to cuddle up with the West in late 1950s when Khrushchev opened talks with the USA in his pursuit of "peaceful coexistence" policy. This policy really **** up our mindset and we were stuck to fending off ourselves in the name of communism. With the Sino-Soviet split tension rising, it triggered an effect on all levels of relation. At this point, we had no choice but to ally with the West to destroy the Soviet Union.

You, of course being a slave of both, betrayed us and side with the Soviet. I don't blame you, though. Soviet Union is a superpower communist while we were weak and "confusing" with ideology. I also don't blame the Soviet for doing what's best for their national interest which is moving away from hardcore communism to a semi-communism, "peaceful coexistence" with Western capitalism. I only blame ourselves for believing in this nonsensical communist brotherhood. That was one of the main reason we are no longer engaged in ideological battle worldwide and shift our foreign policy from engagement to non-interference. The non-interference policy allows us to maneuver and works with any countries regardless of their ideologies.

Vietnamese workers are known as lazy. This is why foreign companies didn't want to open factory in your country but rather China. Up recently with no choices due to our govt policy shifting away from export to domestic consumption, the rise of wage, foreign companies began to shift to VN seeking cheap labor. However, it is remain to be seen if you have the hardworking ethic of Chinese people. My guess if they will run eventually because Vietnamese only known to complain, work little but ask for higher wage, and tend to arrive late to work.

You said " I admit we were very stupid at the time, " its true mentality of Chinese in the past. The Chinese don't have intelligent on historical knowledge to look down at Vietnamese. In fact Chinese were considered as betrayal to Soviet Union and Socialist countries who were by side with you in WW II and cold war, it included Vietnam. and so Vietnamese look down at you.

China made a conflict with Soviet Union 1969 to have a reason to change China's policy to the Wests, to be "slaves" of USA base on your idea. I think Vietnamese were shock when USA attacked on us brutally in Quang Tri in South Vietnam and bombarded Hanoi 1972, in the same time China welcomed Nixon in Peking.

In the Geneva confrence 1954, china disclosed his traitor mentality when China discussed secretly with France in back of Vietnam.

What you said about lazinees of labour workers in Vietnam, it is troll of uneducated Chinese. Why we could export to the world textile and electronic products which belong to biggest USS$ revenue of us.

I ask you: Why in time of "Gong she ren min" in China, 30 million Chinese were dead in consequence of famine ? were Chinese lazy ?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

You said " I admit we were very stupid at the time, " its true mentality of Chinese in the past. The Chinese don't have intelligent on historical knowledge to look down at Vietnamese. In fact Chinese were considered as betrayal to Soviet Union and Socialist countries who were by side with you in WW II and cold war, it included Vietnam. and so Vietnamese look down at you.

China made a conflict with Soviet Union 1969 to have a reason to change China's policy to the Wests, to be "slaves" of USA base on your idea. I think Vietnamese were shock when USA attacked on us brutally in Quang Tri in South Vietnam and bombarded Hanoi 1972, in the same time China welcomed Nixon in Peking.

In the Geneva confrence 1954, china disclosed his traitor mentality when China discussed secretly with France in back of Vietnam.

What you said about lazinees of labour workers in Vietnam, it is troll of uneducated Chinese. Why we could export to the world textile and electronic products which belong to biggest USS$ revenue of us.

I ask you: Why in time of "Gong she ren min" in China, 30 million Chinese were dead in consequence of famine ? were Chinese lazy ?

China has developed its own civilization, does Vietnam have its own?

 

[ViXuyen]

Vietnamese workers are known as lazy. This is why foreign companies didn't want to open factory in your country but rather China. Up recently with no choices due to our govt policy shifting away from export to domestic consumption, the rise of wage, foreign companies began to shift to VN seeking cheap labor. However, it is remain to be seen if you have the hardworking ethic of Chinese people. My guess if they will run eventually because Vietnamese only known to complain, work little but ask for higher wage, and tend to arrive late to work.

If Chinese want to work as slaves with low wages then that's your choice, we can't be like you Our productivity can't be high if they pay us low.

Yes, we complain, lazy, arrive late at work, go on strike a lot but FDI enterprises are keep coming to Vietnam and you know WHY? You get what you pay for. You can't expect people to give you top notch services while paying them peauts...I know you Chinese can because you will do anything because you have a job......but we can't because we have something called self-respect. Pay us right and we will give you the right services, pay us peanuts and you'll get xhit services from us.