The Great Game Changer: Belt and Road Intiative (BRI; OBOR)

[T-Rex]

Let me correct you. Hope China wont keep us waiting for long.

China hasn't kept you waiting. China has not only built an artificial island, she has also built a military base on the island. Wake up from your cowardly dream!

 

[BoQ77]

We're eagerly waiting to see how it performs against the Chinese J-20. I hope uncle sam won't keep us waiting for too long.

You want to see F-35 vs J-20

Let me correct you. Hope China wont keep us waiting for long.

I remind you J-20 isn't available, while F-35 is

China hasn't kept you waiting. China has not only built an artificial island, she has also built a military base on the island. Wake up from your cowardly dream!

You derailed to artificial island, and military base on the island.
While all of us know that, even when J-20 is available, they never deploy J-20 there.

 

[T-Rex]

You want to see F-35 vs J-20



I remind you J-20 isn't available, while F-35 is.

J-20 is not available to you, we know that.

You derailed to artificial island, and military base on the island.
While all of us know that, even when J-20 is available, they never deploy J-20 there.

I didn't say anything irrelevant, the SCS issue is at the heart of all this.

 

[TaiShang]

'Zheng'ou' freight train services enhance ties with countries along Silk Road
(Xinhua) 15:39, August 20, 2016


A lorry runs in the Container Terminal of Zhengzhou Railway in Zhengzhou, Central China's Henan province, August 18, 2016. Since the railway line came into use in 2013, "Zheng'ou" (Zhengzhou-Xinjiang-Europe) freight train services have been providing solutions for the international logistics industry and promoting international trade ties and economic development with countries along the Silk Road.[Photo/Xinhua]


Photo taken on August 18, 2016 shows the Container Terminal of Zhengzhou Railway in Zhengzhou, Central China's Henan province. Since the railway line came into use in 2013, "Zheng'ou" (Zhengzhou-Xinjiang-Europe) freight train services have been providing solutions for the international logistics industry and promoting international trade ties and economic development with countries along the Silk Road. [Photo/Xinhua]


Vehicles are seen at the Container Terminal of Zhengzhou Railway in Zhengzhou, Central China's Henan province, August 18, 2016. Since the railway line came into use in 2013, "Zheng'ou" (Zhengzhou-Xinjiang-Europe) freight train services have been providing solutions for the international logistics industry and promoting international trade ties and economic development with countries along the Silk Road. [Photo/Xinhua]


A lorry runs in the Container Terminal of Zhengzhou Railway in Zhengzhou, Central China's Henan province, August 18, 2016. Since the railway line came into use in 2013, "Zheng'ou" (Zhengzhou-Xinjiang-Europe) freight train services have been providing solutions for the international logistics industry and promoting international trade ties and economic development with countries along the Silk Road. [Photo/Xinhua]

A freight train leaves the Container Terminal of Zhengzhou Railway for Hamburg, Germany, in Zhengzhou, Central China's Henan province, August 18, 2016. Since the railway line came into use in 2013, "Zheng'ou" (Zhengzhou-Xinjiang-Europe) freight train services have been providing solutions for the international logistics industry and promoting international trade ties and economic development with countries along the Silk Road. [Photo/Xinhua]

 

[gambit]

Not very bright are you? When did I or China ever claim that China is better than the US in making fighter planes?

China is not even on a par with US in aviation.

If the F-15SE has the same RCS as F-35 then this makes the F-35 look rather bad for a 5th generation plane.

Bullshit.

First, the frontal RCS of any aircraft, other than prop jobbers, is the lowest of all aspects, so to make the frontal RCS of the F-15 to near that of the F-35 says much about the design of the F-15 and nothing negative about the F-35.

While the F-22 will be competitive with J-20, the F-35 will have little chance against it.

The J-20 is DOA. The PAK is also DOA. Essentially, any non-US 'stealth' fighter, even from allies, is DOA. The F-35 WILL eat the J-20 for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

 

[initial_d]

I think The J 20 is like Mig 25 foxbat back in The 70's and 80's, myth only, too exagerated

 

[UKBengali]

The J-20 is DOA. The PAK is also DOA. Essentially, any non-US 'stealth' fighter, even from allies, is DOA. The F-35 WILL eat the J-20 for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

OK, how did you come to this conclusion?

 

[ahojunk]

Xi offering nations 'ride' on Silk Road
By AN BAIJIE (China Daily)

President urges proactive role in implementing projects along routes to provide a 'sense of gain'

China is willing to give other countries "a ride" as it renews ties, via the Belt and Road Initiative, with nations along the old Silk Road routes, President Xi Jinping said on Wednesday.

As the second-largest economy in the world, China should be "more proactive" in dealing with other countries, Xi told a meeting attended by government officials, entrepreneurs and scholars.

The president encouraged Chinese companies to invest in countries along the routes of the Belt and Road Initiative, also known as the Silk Road Economic Belt and the 21st Century Maritime Silk Road.

He also said China welcomes investment from those countries.

According to Xi, more than 100 countries and global organizations have participated in China's Belt and Road Initiative, and more than 20 countries have worked with China in production capacity cooperation in such areas as railway construction and nuclear power.

The president urged the implementation of Belt and Road projects to ensure that the countries involved have "a sense of gain".

The export of China's production and construction capacity could support the Belt and Road countries to push forward industrialization and will help to stabilize the world economy, he said.

The Silk Road Economic Belt is a land-based route from China through Central Asia and Russia to Europe. The 21st Century Maritime Silk Road is a strategic route through the Strait of Malacca to India, the Middle East and East Africa.

The Belt and Road Initiative, proposed by Xi in 2013, began to take shape in 2014 with a focus on infrastructure.

Xi has made state visits to a number of countries, including the Czech Republic, Serbia, Poland and Uzbekistan, along the Belt and Road routes this year. More than 30 countries and international organizations have signed agreements and memorandums of understanding with China on jointly implementing the Belt and Road strategy.

As part of the Belt and Road projects, freight trains have made more than 2,000 trips from China to Europe and back on 39 rail lines, according to the Foreign Ministry.

Wang Licheng, board chairman of Hangzhou-based Holley Group, said at the meeting that the Thai-Chinese Rayong Industrial Zone, jointly developed by Wang and his partners in Thailand, has created more than 20,000 jobs for people in Thailand's east coastal region.

The company plans to build an occupational school near the industrial zone to train more skilled workers, a proposal that has been welcomed by Thai authorities, he said.

The entrepreneur suggested that the construction of industrial parks abroad should be set as China's national strategy, with supportive policies established to encourage private companies to expand business overseas.

Liu Weidong, director of the Belt and Road Strategy Institute of the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, said that through the Belt and Road strategy, China could allocate global resources and provide services for the whole world.

Wang Yiwei, an expert on European studies with Renmin University of China in Beijing, said that through the Belt and Road projects, China could share its development experience with other countries as well as find new markets for its production capacity.

Countries in the Central and Eastern Europe region are eager to develop ties with China to attract more Chinese investment, and President Xi's state visits to the CEE countries in March and June have brought results, he said.

 

[~Phoenix~]

Do you seriously think the PAK-FA that is not even a stealth aircraft would have any chance against J-31?

You high?

Bangladesh is China's largest arms buyer?

http://www.dawn.com/news/1241157

Thought it was Pakistan! They account for 37% of China's arms export

Well,I read it somewhere that Pakistan makes most of that stuff with ToT,but we just buy and rarely make stuff ourselves with ToT.As you see,almost all our Navy,Airforce and Army stuff and equipments comes directly from China.

Bengalis are the brightest folks, then why are you acting like a... well whatever!

Well,you can't just relate the Bangladeshis in PDF as "brightest folks" and hes probably high,so ignore him.

India in an exercises with the US had shown an interesting tactic of mixing Mig-21 with Su30MKI for great effect.

Weren't Indian MiG-21s retired?

J20 is a garbage plane. You don't need to do anything, that plane is just going to go down on its own and crash.

If Chinese planes are garbage,then Vietnamese planes are dog poop.
Put your hatred towards China somewhere else,probably the toilet.

Americans claimed that they won the KOREAN WAR but why is North Korean Regime still around then?

Now new evidences have emerged that General MacArthur lied to the US Congress about high enemies casualties in order to overcome the low morale of the US and its allies fighting forces after Chinese volunteers entered the war resulting in US Operation RETREAT that resulted in many US soldiers being captured or frost to death.

Mao's China had warned MacArthur NOT to cross the Yalu River but MacArthur in his arrogance did because he thought he could recaptured Peking for KMT based in Taiwan. Hence the entry of Chinese Volunteers force into Korean although they were fighting USA brave soldiers armed to their teeth with only bugles, spears, swords and captured WW2 Japanese rifles with 2 or 3 bullets. That was the REAL history NOT those written by the USA appointed historians.

We Asians know that,its what the Worship-America-And-Capitalism folks who should know the REAL history!

Why does BD need air defence? I thought india was providing security to BD. Besides, BD is surrounded by her 'all weather ally' from three sides, so what's the need for defence forces? I'm sure Myanmar can be handled by our 'all weather ally' if we request them. Shouldn't that farther cement our relation with our 'all weather ally"? After all there's not a state on this planet we 'love' and 'trust' more than our 'all weather ally'.

"all weather ally" - Perfect word lol

You want to see F-35 vs J-20

No,F-22 vs J-20...The F-35 is too weak for the J-20,it should be fixed against Su-35...

 

[hoangsa74]

OK, how did you come to this conclusion?

The U.S have been building stealth planes since the 1970's. F-117, b2, f22. F-35 is built based on massive knowledge of experience from building the previous stealth planes. What experience does j20 and pakfa are built based on? Nothing. Bangladesh or any country out there would dump the j-20 or pakfa on any heart beat if they could buy the f-35

 

[~Phoenix~]

The U.S have been building stealth planes since the 1970's. F-117, b2, f22. F-35 is built based on massive knowledge of experience from building the previous stealth planes. What experience does j20 and pakfa are built based on? Nothing. Bangladesh or any country out there would dump the j-20 or pakfa on any heart beat if they could buy the f-35

J-31 comes at 50 million a pop.J-20 and PAK FA come at 75-100 million per unit.And whats the cost of F-22 and B-2?
And Russia has been building since '80s...Only China lacks experience.

 

[UKBengali]

J-31 comes at 50 million a pop.J-20 and PAK FA come at 75-100 million per unit.And whats the cost of F-22 and B-2?
And Russia has been building since '80s...Only China lacks experience.

80% of stealth is shaping and the US has given the shape away for world to see.

China has plenty of experience in airplane design as it has both the J-10 and JF-17 designs to it's name.
It has also reverse engineered the SU-27 airframe as the J-11. The big question mark with J-20 is when the
5th generation WS-15 engine would be ready, as without this it will stand little chance in duelling against
F-22 across the whole spectrum.

Yes the J-20 is likely to not be as good as F-22 but unlikely that the difference is so great that
F-22 would have an overwhelming advantage.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

J-31 comes at 50 million a pop.J-20 and PAK FA come at 75-100 million per unit.And whats the cost of F-22 and B-2?
And Russia has been building since '80s...Only China lacks experience.

F-22 approx. USD 355 million a piece.

Korean war, in principle, is still going on.

Most unfortunate, you are right in this case.

 

[gambit]

80% of stealth is shaping and the US has given the shape away for world to see.

That is true. But making a FUNCTIONAL fighter is in a different league.

China has plenty of experience in airplane design as it has both the J-10 and JF-17 designs to it's name.

Plenty of experience does not automatically make China the equal.

For starter, the US have a CONTINUOUS presence in aviation since the birth of aviation, and we are talking about powered and manned vehicles, not passive flights like balloons and gliders.

Next, what make US aviation industry vibrant is the same reason what make the US automotive industry vibrant -- competition. At one point, the US actually had more major aviation companies, as in whole vehicles, than automotive companies. Counting minor companies, then the car industry have more. North American, Beechcraft, Boeing, etc, were churning out varieties of models just as fast as the Big Three auto companies.

Next, military aircrafts are even more unique and demanding. There is only one customer -- the government. The car can be built to have planned obsolescence, purposely limited useful life, but not the airplane and definitely not the bomber and the fighter aircrafts. Styling matters in the car, but irrelevant for the airplane. The B-52 is likely to be the first aircraft to be literally 100 yrs old by the time of its retirement. Not the B-52 design, but the actual individual aircrafts themselves. There are probably a few aircrafts around the world that are 100 yrs old, but we are talking about an entire fleet that have been continuously operating since its inception.

China's aviation may have had plenty of assist and her accomplishments are impressive, but it will take varieties of product lines over time before China can be considered a peer to the US.

Yes the J-20 is likely to not be as good as F-22 but unlikely that the difference is so great that F-22 would have an overwhelming advantage.

Unlikely ? Your opinion is no better than one that says likely. If experience is included, then the opinions of aviation experts who said likely weighs more. In war, a difference of less than 10% means 'the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat'. It is likely that the difference in 'stealth' between the F-22 and the J-20 is more than 10% in favor of the F-22. This is not a car race where competitors repeatedly face each other yr after yr. This is literally a death match.

And the J-20 is DOA.

 

[UKBengali]

And the J-20 is DOA.

That is only your opinion and you cannot back that up.