Russia is now subordinate to China, and becoming less relevant every day.
Cheap shot. Russia is in no way subordinate to China. The two are equals. A subordinate country would not pull out a Crimea with zero explicit Chinese support.
You have been repeating the same argument for too long anytime China-Russia reinforce their relationship. Better yet, you may ask Russian members here of their perception
@vostok , and
@senheiser
You have to bring out empirical evidence to prove that China-Russia partnership is one of a major and minor.
Russia is a major power by itself and we are just thankful to US for "facilitating" the China-Russia strategic alignment which is based on a completely different set of values and norms than the one between the US and its unimportant minions.
China exceeds Russia in almost every way.
It does not. Besides, what is the relevance really. Exceeding or being exceeded does not make an alliance less equal if either of the two sides do not nurture hegemonic aspirations against the other.
if China ever implements democracy, it is possible that we will see yet another realignment in the world, where the US rushes to establish warm relations with China at the expense of other nations.
If Saudi Arabia ever implements democracy, I wonder what the US, with the petrodollar gone, would do?
A note to yourself: China will never implement stuff in other people's terms.
In China at the moment, there is no prospect of waiting for the administration to change, because the CCP is always succeeded by the CCP; but even China knows that history moves in unexpected ways, so we should not count on the CCP maintaining a monopoly forever.
Again, cheap shot. But, the prospects of a right wing warmonger president to assume power in the US is almost given.
Xi, Putin meet in Beijing, 17 agreements signed
November 9, 2014, 1:41 pm
Putin (left) presented Chinese President Xi Jinping (center) with a Russian smartphone– a Yotaphone-2, with Russian, Chinese and APEC symbols uploaded for the occasion [PPIO]
In a boost to bilateral ties between the two allies,
Russia and China have signed 17 agreements on Sunday after Presidents Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping met in Beijing.
The deals inked today include an agreement on the delivery of
Russian natural gas to China via the western route, securing the world’s top energy user a major source of cleaner fuel. The western route refers to gas supplies to China from Russian fields in West Siberia.
The route to supply gas to China via the western route may be implemented faster than the eastern route, through which
Moscow agreed to ship the fuel to its Asian neighbor in May, according to Gazprom’s CEO Alexei Miller.
Putin, during Sunday’s meet, also lauded Russia-China ties as key to maintaining stability in the world.
“Cooperation between Russia and China is extremely important for keeping the world in line with the international law, making it [the world] more stable,” Putin said during his meet with Xi.
Russian state oil giant Rosneft and Chinese oil major CNPC also signed an agreement on Sunday to sell 10 per cent of shares in Rosneft’s subsidiary Vankorneft to China National Oil and Gas Exploration and Development.
Ties between the two allies “represent an irreversible trend” Xi said on Sunday.
“No matter how the international landscape shifts, we must insist on giving priority to the development of Sino-Russian ties in our diplomatic endeavors, constantly boost political and strategic mutual trust, and keep expanding and deepening comprehensive cooperation,” said the Chinese President.
Xi and Putin also agreed to step up cooperation in high-speed rail, technology, aerospace and finance sectors.
Sunday was Xi’s tenth meeting with Putin since he assumed the office of Chinese presidency in March 2013.
Russia and China also signed agreements on “implementing joint energy investment projects in Arkhangelsk Region, on the joint funding, construction and operation of a hydro power station in the Far East of Russia and on cooperation in the construction of hydro-accumulating power stations,” said a Kremlin statement.
Sberbank of Russia also signed an agreement with the Export-Import Bank of China regarding credit lines and purchasing loans, while VTB Bank signed a cooperation agreement with China’s telecom giant Huawei Technologies.
In Sunday’s meet, Putin noted that bilateral trade turnover went up by 1.3 per cent in 2013. In the first nine months of this year it has increased by 7 per cent as Russia increases it economic engagement with China while battling Western sanctions over the Ukraine crisis.
Putin and Xi also “discussed their respective countries’ positions on the main issues on the agendas for the upcoming APEC and G20 summits” said a Kremlin statement.
“I would also like to note the importance of cooperation between the People’s Republic of China and the Russian Federation for retaining the world within the international legal framework, for making it more stable and predictable. You and I have done a great deal for this purpose and I am certain we will continue working in this direction,” said Putin.
The two Presidents also announced on Sunday that China and Russia will jointly celebrate the 70th anniversary of the victory of World War II next year.
Putin is in Beijing to attend the APEC Economic Leaders’ Meeting (AELM) that will be held on Monday and Tuesday and will be attended by world leaders from 21 nations, including US President Barack Obama.
Obama’s Provocations Pushed China, Russia Closer
Special to The BRICS Post
November 9, 2014
The American and Russian presidents have publicly revealed their conflicting visions of future development not only in Europe (where Moscow and Washington continue to lock horns over
Ukraine), but in Asia, as well.
In the buildup to the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) summit in Beijing, US President Barack Obama made it clear that he had no plans to meet his Russian counterpart.
He went on to say that he also likely won’t meet with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Brisbane, Australia where both leaders will attend the G20 summit in mid-November.
At the same time, Obama reiterated his support of the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), a trade deal Washington is negotiating with 11 nations in the region, excluding China and Russia.
On the eve of the APEC summit in Beijing, Putin highlighted his opposition to the TPP.
One does not need to be a genius to understand that plans to build Pacific economic zones without the region’s two biggest powers – Russia and China – are doomed.
“It is clear that the economic influence of the United States and the West in general will inevitably decline in the coming years,” commented the Moscow-based
Expert magazine, Russia’s leading weekly specializing in economic analysis.
“But the [Obama] administration and the European Union seem to have chosen the costliest and the most painful way to manage this process,” it went on.
“We’re organising trade relations with countries other than China so that China starts feeling more pressure about meeting basic international standards,” Obama said referring to the TPP in a presidential debate in 2012 [Xinhua]
Indeed, Obama’s stance is a logical continuation of the policy line he made public during his tour of Southeast Asian nations in spring 2014, right before Putin’s visit to Beijing.
During his visits to Japan and Philippines, Obama promised US support in their disagreements with China.
This presidential move couldn’t have been more provocative as the verbal bickering between
China and Japan over the disputed Diaoyu/Senkaku islands was at its height, and the conflict between Russia and the US over Ukraine was leading to outright civil war there.
Backfire
The result of Obama’s actions in Japan and Philippines produced the opposite effect he had desired, however.
In May, and most likely under the impression of American hostility, Russia and China inched closer together and signed a
landmark gas deal.
According to the agreements signed during Putin’s visit to Beijing that month, Russia is to supply 38 billion cubic meters of natural gas a year to China via a yet to be constructed pipeline named Sila Sibiri (“The Force of Siberia”).
Thanks to this deal, Russia is expected to get $400 billion and to diversify its gas exports, which had been geared to the European markets for over 40 years.
The current Russia-China deal is supposed to be implemented over the course of the next 30 years.
“Obama’s statements against China and Russia do not reveal a productive approach and reveal his lack of understanding of the region,” says Yuri Tavrovsky, a prominent Russian expert on China and Japan.
“Few people believe that the US can be a fair and balanced mediator between Tokyo and Beijing, [while] Washington’s bias against China is too obvious,” said Tavrovsky, who in the 1980s also consulted the Central Committee of the Communist party of the Soviet Union on relations with Tokyo and Beijing.
“Also the United States is showing a lack of subtlety on the issue of China’s wartime losses. Official Chinese figures say 35 million Chinese lost their lives during the Japanese occupation in 1930s and 1940s. This is a huge figure.”
Similarly, in Russia, relations with the US have soured over Washington’s support for the modern Ukrainian and Baltic nationalists.
These groups often pose as successors to the Ukrainian and Baltic nationalist movements of the 1940s.
But many of these movements have for decades been tarnished by their collaboration with the German Nazi leader Adolph Hitler.
During Hitler’s occupation of the Soviet territories between 1941 and 1945, these Ukrainian, Latvian and Estonian nationalists made their “contribution” to the killing of 27 million Soviet citizens, who perished during World War II.
So, even emotionally – when one considers the casualties and horrors inflicted during that war – Russian and Chinese grievances against the US become similar.
“The Russian-Chinese relations have become a crucial factor in accommodating the foreign policy interests of the two countries in the 21st century, playing a significant role in establishing a just, harmonious and safe world order,” said Putin on Thursday ahead of his Beijing visit [PPIO]
The anti-Beijing and anti-Moscow clique behind Washington’s foreign policy, which became all too apparent in recent years, is pushing not only Russia and China but also other BRICS countries to common protective measures against the US.
Layering the BRICS
BRICS’ leaders are planning to meet on the sidelines of the G-20 summit in Brisbane on November 15-16.
As Putin meets with his BRICS allies, Obama seems to be deliberately isolating himself by refusing to meet the Russian president in Brisbane.
Analysts note that in Autumn 2013 Obama also refused to have talks with Putin at the G20 summit in St. Petersburg, Russia.
Only a few weeks later, Obama needed
Putin’s help in implementing the Russian plan of dismantling Syria’s chemical weapons.
This plan saved Obama from losing face after cancelling the White House strategy to launch airstrikes against Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad’s forces.
BRICS has already established a $100 billion New Development Bank and a $100 billion Contingency Reserve Arrangement, both of which are supposed to provide additional financial protection to members in case of emergency.
For Russia, which is under financial sanctions from the US and the
EU, these organizations of financial protection are a source of hope as the Ruble continues its six-month downward spiral.
China, which is a major contributor to the BRICS projects, is also interested in Russia’s energy reserves.
In this sphere, both countries’ interests converge.
This is significant for Moscow, which has been hearing for some time the EU’s threat that it will “lessen its dependence” on Russian gas exports.
Besides the controversial American plan of Trans-Pacific cooperation which excludes both of their countries, Russia’s Putin and China’s Xi Jinping are expected to make progress on the plans of
an additional pipeline from Russia to China.
The so called Altai pipeline (also called the Western Itinerary) is expected to carry 30 billion cubic meters of gas to China.
The Russian energy minister Alexander Novak said the deal could be finalized by the first half of the year 2015.
A year ago, this plan would have more closely resembled a fantasy.
But it is precisely Washington’s aggressive support of the anti-Russian “revolution” in Ukraine and for anti-Chinese forces in Asia that has transformed this fantastic Russo-Chinese cooperation into a reality.
The U.S is after first and foremost its own interests(like evry country should be by the way, so im not saying its a bad thing). I still dont understand how you think the U.S values democrazy and considers it as one of its main pillars for alliances.loool That couldnt be further from the truth.
Had it been the case we wouldnt have been supporting the worse dictatorial regimes from Egypt under mubarak and now Sissycracy to the House of saud which is the worse dictatorial country out there(bar north Korea) and many others in the region.
Same with other powers earlier like Spain, Portugal, etc, they all batteled for world supremacy/colonies/domination. Political system had nothing to do with it, world Supremacy did. The hell i remember Japan(despite having U.S troops on its soil till today) still used to be labelled by our media in the west/U,S day and night as the Yellow peril from the east ready to take over the world when they were also 'rising' and buying up properties in the U.S/west.lol Its not like Japan wasn't a democracy, there will always be reasons/excuses an establish power will use to undermine an upcoming one, doesnt matter if its democractic or not(i do confess that if its authocratic/dictatorial then its more easier for the U.S/west to demonize/use excuses to contain it though, than if it was democratic.
). So will be better to just call it a day for now on this, since we both seem to be firmly entrenched in our opinions on this point. So lets just leave it here for now my man.
