The German joke-F125-class frigate

[flamer84]

I've just checked the new frigates scheduled to enter the German's Navy inventory from 2016.You've got to be kidding me ....a 7200 tonnes frigate (almost a destroyer) armed for AAW with only 2 RAM's....and that's it ! At a cost (which can escalate ) of 650 million euros each.

F125-class frigate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

WTF ? French Gowind corvettes are better armed than those 7200 tonnes hunks of junk.What a waste of money...

 

[UKBengali]

Yeah - I have checked and it will have a total of 42 short-range RAM missiles. The Germans have gone nuts leaving an expensive frigate that not only could not defend other ships but would itself be highly vulnerable to air-attack.

Would the Germans be interested in purchasing the Chinese Type-052D at a similar cost?
That has 64 VLS cells that could take 64 missiles including long-range SAMs and cruise missiles

 

[truthseeker2010]

they wanted this as a land attack ship, rather air defence oriented, which is sachsen class. So i guess they will add big canons instead of VLS cells. And will keep roam for future additions such as Lasers, and water cannons(i don't know what they are for, Anti-piracy possibly?)

 

[flamer84]

Would the Germans be interested in purchasing the Chinese Type-052D at a similar cost?
That has 64 VLS cells that could take 64 missiles including long-range SAMs and cruise missiles

They could purchase true quality with those money....a FREMM.

 

[Manindra]

I've just checked the new frigates scheduled to enter the German's Navy inventory from 2016.You've got to be kidding me ....a 7200 tonnes frigate (almost a destroyer) armed for AAW with only 2 RAM's....and that's it ! At a cost (which can escalate ) of 650 million euros each.

F125-class frigate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

WTF ? French Gowind corvettes are better armed than those 7200 tonnes hunks of junk.What a waste of money...

You should thankful that they are not armed with broomstick.

 

[flamer84]

You should thankful that they are not armed with broomstick.

Lol

I do wonder if the frigates are certified to "carry pregnant women" such as the Boxer.If not,there will be delays and a 100million euros increase in costs.

Look what a modified La Fayette of the Singapore Navy is packing at 3200 tonnes:


Anti-ship: 8 × RGM-84C Harpoon SSM
Anti-air: 4 × Sylver A50 8-cell VLSfor MBDA Aster 15/30[3]
Anti-submarine: 2 × B515 triple tubes with reloads for EuroTorpA244/S Mod 3 torpedoes
Guns: Oto Melara 76mm Super Rapid gun (mounted in stealth cupola), 4 × CIS 50MG 12.7 mm (0.50 in) HMG, 2 × 25mm Mk38 Mod2 Typhoon Weapon StationStabilised Gun
Non-lethal: Long-Range Acoustic Device 500 Xtreme (LRAD500X)

 

[Oldman1]

I've just checked the new frigates scheduled to enter the German's Navy inventory from 2016.You've got to be kidding me ....a 7200 tonnes frigate (almost a destroyer) armed for AAW with only 2 RAM's....and that's it ! At a cost (which can escalate ) of 650 million euros each.

F125-class frigate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

WTF ? French Gowind corvettes are better armed than those 7200 tonnes hunks of junk.What a waste of money...

• Naval guns:
  • 1 × 127 mm lightweight Otobreda naval gun with guided VULCANO ammunition for land-attack missions (range: more than 100 km (62 mi))
  • 2 × 27 mm MLG 27 remote-controlled autocannons
  • 5 × 12.7 mm Hitrole-NT remote-controlled machine gun turrets
  • 2 × 12.7 mm heavy machine guns (manually controlled)
• CIWS:
  • 2 × RAM Block II surface-to-air missile launcher/CIWS, 21 cells each
• Anti-ship missiles:
  • 8 × RGM-84 Harpoon anti-ship missiles (interim solution until joint sea/land attack missile RBS 15 MK4 becomes available)

 

[Zarvan]

I've just checked the new frigates scheduled to enter the German's Navy inventory from 2016.You've got to be kidding me ....a 7200 tonnes frigate (almost a destroyer) armed for AAW with only 2 RAM's....and that's it ! At a cost (which can escalate ) of 650 million euros each.

F125-class frigate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

WTF ? French Gowind corvettes are better armed than those 7200 tonnes hunks of junk.What a waste of money...

Germans after world war have hardly focused on there Armed Forces and this is clearly shown by this Frigate

 

[Echo_419]

I've just checked the new frigates scheduled to enter the German's Navy inventory from 2016.You've got to be kidding me ....a 7200 tonnes frigate (almost a destroyer) armed for AAW with only 2 RAM's....and that's it ! At a cost (which can escalate ) of 650 million euros each.

F125-class frigate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

WTF ? French Gowind corvettes are better armed than those 7200 tonnes hunks of junk.What a waste of money...

Such a shame

 

[UKBengali]

They could purchase true quality with those money....a FREMM.

Nah - the Fremm could only hold 16 Aster-15/30 missiles at most. Not really enough to provide air-defence against swarms of air threats. Need at least 32 missiles IMO.

For a lot of reasons, Germany would never buy a Chinese ship no matter how good they may be or become in the future

So I think the best option for Germany would have been the upcoming Type-26 frigate from the UK. It will hold 48 medium-range missiles(CAMM) and would also be equipped with 24 Mk-41 VLS that could carry either Tomahawk cruise missiles or long-range SM-series SAM. For around 500 million Euros each, the Germans would be getting by far the world's best frigate.

 

[flamer84]

Nah - the Fremm could only hold 16 Aster-15/30 missiles at most. Not really enough to provide air-defence against swarms of air threats. Need at least 32 missiles IMO.

For a lot of reasons, Germany would never buy a Chinese ship no matter how good they may be or become in the future

So I think the best option for Germany would have been the upcoming Type-26 frigate from the UK. It will hold 48 medium-range missiles(CAMM) and would also be equipped with 24 Mk-41 VLS that could carry either Tomahawk cruise missiles or long-range SM-series SAM. For around 500 million Euros each, the Germans would be getting by far the world's best frigate.

The FREMM has the inbuilt space for another 16 VLS according to the requirements altough it's quite puzzling why they didn't go straight for the SYLVER A70 in the first place so they would have commonality between missiles and instead put the A43(France),A50(Italy).But the first ships are in the early programme,clearly on the first variants those 2 nations chose to cut corners just to save a buck,as usual,altough the capabilities of the ships are far better than what they offer now.

So,when i was refering to Germany,i was refering to a full FREMM-the FREDA requirement.

 

[Armstrong]

My brother @Penguin is the best guy for this discussion !

 

[Nike]

Japanese do more better jobs with their Akizuki class

 

[flamer84]

• Naval guns:
  • 1 × 127 mm lightweight Otobreda naval gun with guided VULCANO ammunition for land-attack missions (range: more than 100 km (62 mi))
  • 2 × 27 mm MLG 27 remote-controlled autocannons
  • 5 × 12.7 mm Hitrole-NT remote-controlled machine gun turrets
  • 2 × 12.7 mm heavy machine guns (manually controlled)
• CIWS:
  • 2 × RAM Block II surface-to-air missile launcher/CIWS, 21 cells each
• Anti-ship missiles:
  • 8 × RGM-84 Harpoon anti-ship missiles (interim solution until joint sea/land attack missile RBS 15 MK4 becomes available)

Oh great,it has naval guns and machine guns.....

The Italian fremm has 16 VLS cells and ours 32 VLS cells (16 for Aster missiles and 16 for cruise missiles).
But it isn't a problem (for the Italians for exemple) to put 16 more VLS,it was proposed for the Moroccan fremm..

I know,but i was wondering why didn't they install the A70 SYLVER launcher in the first place as it can carry all three types of missiles (Aster 15/30,SCALP) .It would have been a logical choice for quick transformation according to the mission's needs:AA duty,cruisse missiles or a mix.

 

[UKBengali]

The FREMM has the inbuilt space for another 16 VLS according to the requirements altough it's quite puzzling why they didn't go straight for the SYLVER A70 in the first place so they would have commonality between missiles and instead put the A43(France),A50(Italy).But the first ships are in the early programme,clearly on the first variants those 2 nations chose to cut corners just to save a buck,as usual,altough the capabilities of the ships are far better than what they offer now.

So,when i was refering to Germany,i was refering to a full FREMM-the FREDA requirement.

True BUT you cannot beat the 72 medium/long range SAM's that the Type-26 can hold. With the 200 km radar it will be one tough ship to sink for any enemy.