The French Navy Stands Up to China

[haidian]

I agree with your point that more sailors doesnt mean better navy/ better chance of winning naval battle. But the reality is more serious than that- China fields more naval equipment than France does. But lets cut to the chase, are you agreeing or disagreeing in a 1 on 1 France will beat China in naval warfare? thats the bottomline question here.

After the battle, France will say goodbye to their tiny navy.

Top 10 Countries with Best Navy Force in the World
https://improb.com/best-military-navy-force/

 

[rott]

Like I said, you are free to believe chinese media is a 100% truth speaker on such issues.....rest of us just find it amusing.

Lol, no media is 100% truth.

 

[haidian]

In six years China builds more destroyers than the number of battleships of the entire British Royal navy, yet British navy is still ahead of French navy, that's how far France is behiand China.

 

[Viva_Viet]

We give the warning to let others to acknowledge they're approaching our water territories in SCS, of course they can ignore but the message is delivered and at least they know that China is not going to give up or sit idle and they could imagine the outcome of trespassing if China Navy decide to act.

Western power nowadays is only US and you westerner is only good on hiding behind US and refer it as western power when bragging, without US western power is just meaningless. I'm pretty sure that your Netherland Navy is powerless than Ethiopia why bragging about western power. China is world second military spending with 228 billions while France is only 57 Billions according to wiki, for now France still holding technological advantage over China because of their technological heritage but China is certainly catching up fast with this budget.

As for Vietnamese, they're only brave when they think there is a powerful nation to back them up, otherwise they certainly will get steam rolled by China while crying for being bullied.

1979 USA's azz licker insulting other for hiding behind US.

Remember who begged for daddy US's protection against Soviet nuke threat ??

President Jimmy Carter (R) and Chinese Vice Premier Deng Xiaoping

In six years China builds more destroyers than the number of battleships of the entire British Royal navy, yet British navy is still ahead of French navy, that's how far France is behiand China.

France army have lots of combat experience in real battle while stupid PLA have Zero exp, coward and corrupted. PLAF have Zero ACE pilot and Zero air combat victory in history. Stupid PLA , PLAF is only for taking photoshop

 

[rott]

1979 USA's azz licker insulting other for hiding behind US.

Remember who begged for daddy US's protection against Soviet nuke threat ??

President Jimmy Carter (R) and Chinese Vice Premier Deng Xiaoping


France army have lots of combat experience in real battle while stupid PLA have Zero exp, coward and corrupted. PLAF have Zero ACE pilot and Zero air combat victory in history. Stupid PLA , PLAF is only for taking photoshop

Your call center skills have greatly improved. Ask your Indian daddy to outsource a few jobs to Viets.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

1979 USA's azz licker insulting other for hiding behind US.

Remember who begged for daddy US's protection against Soviet nuke threat ??

President Jimmy Carter (R) and Chinese Vice Premier Deng Xiaoping

Lol we already have Nuke at that time but I can't say the same about Vietnam, probably that was what Vietnam was doing by begging Soviet protection from China but we have smack Vietnam so hard in 1979 that your mentor kept mute.

 

[haidian]

Satellite Photos Reveal Gigantic Chinese Fleet of More Than 40 Ships

The photos, taken from orbit, depict a major Chinese show of force in the South China Sea.

By Kyle Mizokami
Mar 30, 2018
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A fleet of private satellites recently picked up an extraordinary sight in the middle of the South China Sea: a parade of more than 40 warships of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army Navy sailing in formation.

The exercise was likely meant as a show of force to China’s neighbors, many of whom contest the country’s territorial claims. The photos also demonstrate the usefulness of commercial space in monitoring military developments worldwide, even in the most remote places.

The images show a total of 43 ships steaming in a long line, two abreast, somewhere in the South China Sea. The only clearly identifiable ship is the aircraft carrier Liaoning. At 999 feet long with a full-length flight deck, Liaoning easily stands out. The carrier has an aircraft complement of 24 J-15 fighters and an assortment of helicopters. Several J-15s are visible on the carrier’s flight deck, including two lined up on the carrier’s ski jump for takeoff.

Chinese aircraft carrier Liaoning, with replenishment ship directly behind it.

China is currently engaged in the largest naval buildup in recent memory, building large numbers of modern ships complete with modern missiles and sensors. The ships are split between three different naval commands: the Northern, Eastern, and Southern Theater navies.

Most of these vessels are from the Southern Theater Navy, the naval command closest to the South China Sea. According to the Pentagon’s 2017 “Military and Security Developments Involving the People’s Republic of China 2017”, this navy has 4 nuclear attack submarines, 16 diesel electric attack submarines, 7 destroyers, 22 frigates, 12 corvettes, 3 large amphibious ships, and 35 missile patrol craft. The rest include the carrier Liaoning, visiting from the Northern Theater Navy, and her escorts, which probably include at least two destroyers, a replenishment ship, and possibly a submarine.

It’s impossible to make out most of the ships, but looking at the fleet we can make some guesses. The first six ships appear unusually narrow in the photos, suggesting most of their hull is underwater. So these are probably submarines.

At least one replenishment is directly behind Liaoning, possibly of the Type 903 Fuchi class. The rear is taken up by a number of small, corvette-sized ships and one larger ship with a wider beam that does not appear to be a warship—possibly a PLAN oceanographic survey ship.

Most of the ships are likely to be newer vessels, particularly those of the Type 056, Type 054A, and Type 052 classes. The Type 056 Jiangdao class is a general-purpose corvette, armed with light weapons, designed for offshore patrol duties. The Type 054A Jiangkai IIfrigates are a step above in both armament and mission, capable of serving with carrier task forces or independently to hunt submarines. The Type 052 Luyang III class, particularly the -C and -D class variants, are modern guided missile destroyers designed to protect major capital ships such as aircraft carriers, and at at least one Type 052 almost certainly rides shotgun with Liaoning at all times.

Some of the ships are leaving wakes considerably longer than they are. These could be Type 022 fast attack craft. The Type 022 FACs are twin-hulled catamarans designed for coastal defense duties. Each displaces just 224 tons with a crew of 12, with a complement of eight C-803 anti-ship missiles. The PLAN has approximately 83 Type 022s spread out among the three fleet commands, each painted a variation on a blue seagoing camouflage scheme that, ironically, made it easier to identify each ship individually and produce a headcount.

This unique event was likely recorded by just three sources: Chinese ships visible in the images that are positioned to record the event, the U.S. intelligence community, and a company called Planet Labs. Planet maintains a fleet of more than 175 Dove imaging satellites circling the globe. Planet’s catching the PLAN in formation was not planned but was not accidental, either: the company’s Dove satellites cannot be tasked and operate in always-on mode, linescanning the earth’s landmass every day. The company’s satellites monitor the opean ocean in high activity areas, including the South China Sea.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a19634308/satellite-photos-chinese-fleet/

 

[Yingluck]

In Nansha, no one harm China more the French. It was the French who out of the blue claim Nansha Island on behalf of Vietnam. That form the basis of Vietnam claims. Else Vietnam is totally lack of jurisprudence.

But what happen if France today say that her 1933 assertion of sovereignty is piece of bull. This will completely undermine Vietnam position.

 

[Viva_Viet]

Lol we already have Nuke at that time but I can't say the same about Vietnam, probably that was what Vietnam was doing by begging Soviet protection from China but we have smack Vietnam so hard in 1979 that your mentor kept mute.

Kept mute ?? VN leader issued a book to insult how stupid Deng and PLA were, and the whole wolrd saw Deng kept mute and kept begging protection from daddy JP-US instead

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In 1952, I left northern Vietnam for China, because I was sick and needed treatment. This was my first time abroad. I put questions to them [the Chinese] and saw many very strange things. There were areas [which had been] occupied by Japanese troops, each with a population of 50 million people, but which had not [had] a single guerrilla fighter…

When I returned from China, I met Uncle [Ho]. He asked me:

This was your first time to go abroad, isn’t that right?

Yes, I went abroad for the first time.

What did you see?

I saw two things: Vietnam is very brave and they [the Chinese] are not brave at all.
I understood this from that day on. We [the Vietnamese] were entirely different from them. Courage is inherent in the Vietnamese person, and thus we have never had a defensive strategy. Every inhabitant fights.

Recently, they [the Chinese] have brought several hundred thousand troops in to invade our country. For the most part, we have used our militia and regional troops to attack them. We were not on the defensive, and thus they suffered a setback. They were not able to wipe out a single Vietnamese platoon, while we wiped out several of their regiments and several dozen of their battalions. That is so because of our offensive strategy.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/comr...m-leader-on-china-aggression-mao-deng.323391/

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Kept mute ?? VN leader issued a book to insult how stupid Deng and PLA were, and the whole wolrd saw Deng kept mute and kept begging protection from daddy JP-US instead

VN leaders were Soviet servants, the corrupted new VN leaders are China's servant by using force to crack down those anti-China protesters in Vietnam and now you claim VN leaders issue a fantasy book but they forgot to read a historical book on how stupid Vietnamese leader were by crawl to Chinese imperial palace to offer tribute in exchange for peace.

 

[Vergennes]

You upset a lot of ppl ....good return on investment by France



You always make me chuckle buddy...hehe.

The title is wrong. It should be french navy violates china.

Actually it's an humiliation for China that small countries like France and Britain are able to give a middle finger to their territorial "claims". Let alone the US. @Hamartia Antidote @F-22Raptor

 

[gambit]

I agree with your point that more sailors doesnt mean better navy/ better chance of winning naval battle. But the reality is more serious than that- China fields more naval equipment than France does. But lets cut to the chase, are you agreeing or disagreeing in a 1 on 1 France will beat China in naval warfare? thats the bottomline question here.

If France moves with her aircraft carrier, France wins.

WW II was the first time fleets fought each other without seeing each other due to airpower, and probably the last time as well. China does not have the naval aviation experience like France. And please do not bring the DF-21D into the debate. That thing have been discussed before and nothing came out of it regarding its claimed efficacy.

 

[antonius123]

If France moves with her aircraft carrier, France wins.

WW II was the first time fleets fought each other without seeing each other due to airpower, and probably the last time as well. China does not have the naval aviation experience like France.

LOL. Since when aircraft carrier can guarantee winning against submarine and destroyer?

In fact aircraft carrier will be in peril due to submarine and destroyer equipped with supersonic cruise missiles. You never learned on how chinese submarine sudenly emerged undetectedly nearby Kitty Hawk and Ronald Reagan super carriers.

https://www.warhistoryonline.com/hi...-in-the-middle-of-a-carrier-battle-group.html
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/th...dish-submarine-sunk-us-aircraft-carrier-20503

Aircraft carrier will be effective only to fight against smaller country with weak navy but useless against big power like China.

And please do not bring the DF-21D into the debate. That thing have been discussed before and nothing came out of it regarding its claimed efficacy.

Nevermind, china can discount her DF-21D.

China still have antiaccess weapon other than DF-21D, 1 regiment of H-6K bombers equipped with AK-20 ALCM or YJ-12 can sink Charles de Gaulle carrier including whole France navy. The ALCM AK-20 range is about 2000km, far beyond the range of navy's radar and SAM can reach, while YJ-18 and YJ-12 are supersonic.

The H-6K can carry up to six YJ-12 and 6-7 LACMs; a single regiment of 18 H-6Ks fully loaded out with YJ-12s can saturate enemy ships with over 100 supersonic missiles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xian_H-6

China's H-6K: The 'Old' Bomber That Could 'Sink' the U.S. Navy
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/chinas-h-6k-the-old-bomber-could-sink-the-us-navy-25913

 

[HariPrasad]

If one Chinese sailor farted too loud during French "freedom-of-navigation operation", the French navy ship would've surrender.

We never knew that CHinese fart so loud when they see US or French or Indian navy.

 

[Offshore]

Let it go, bro. These Viets here trying to stir the pot.

he's not viet, he's indon... you know indon, very low IQ , good for nothing and talked only.. similiar with indian. both useless species