The first 6 Rafale for Hellenic Air Force arrived in Tanagra Air Base, Greece

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Greeks already operate f-16s, but have still ordered Rafales to improve their airforce, this speaks volumes about the capabilities of French Rafale jets.
But the S400 will be a tough nut to crack, good purchases by both Turkey and Greece

Becos Turkey also operate F-16. So Turkey knows exactly how Greece is going to use their F-16. Getting Rafale will give Greece element of surprise.

 

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Getting Rafale will give Greece element of surprise.

Indeed, as Mirage 2000 before it.

Greece is a fundamentalist state in terms of state practices.

And it's not the case of Erdogan's Turkey? You are pulling our legs Bro.

 

[Foinikas]

Becos Turkey also operate F-16. So Turkey knows exactly how Greece is going to use their F-16. Getting Rafale will give Greece element of surprise.

Apparently,the Turks got to train with the Qataris. But I understand what you're saying.

Indeed, as Mirage 2000 before it.

The Mirage F1 too! Back when we got the Mirage F1,if I'm not mistaken,the Turks didn't have anything similar and it was the best interceptor aircraft in the Aegean. Then the Turks got the F-16 in 1987 and we got it in 1989.

 

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The Mirage F1 too! Back when we got the Mirage F1,if I'm not mistaken,the Turks didn't have anything similar and it was the best interceptor aircraft in the Aegean. Then the Turks got the F-16 in 1987 and we got it in 1989.

F1 was not so impressive.
Turkey had F4 at those time. With its big radar and Sparrow it was better than F1 with average radar and less ranged 530F missile.

 

[Foinikas]

F1 was not so impressive.
Turkey had F4 at those time. With its big radar and Sparrow it was better than F1 with average radar and less ranged 530F missile.

Yes,like Ptisi said in an article,initially the Mirage F1 was inferior to the Phantom,but ours could carry 2 AIM-9 missiles and by 1990 they could carry two more. Somehow the Greek pilots managed to use it well as an interceptor fighter. But of course we then got the Mirage 2000.

 

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First of all,there was fighting in Cyprus in 1965 and a war in 1974. But that's Cyprus. We almost went to war in 1987 and in 1996 during the Imia crisis where 3 servicemen were lost in a helicopter crash and many say it was by Turkish fire.

And there were also the 2020 provocations by Turkey.

What I meant though is that Greece and Pakistan are similar in many ways.

Both Greece and Pakistan have a bigger rival country to their east and are surrounded by semi-friendly countries who are still causing problems to both (Afghanistan,Iran for Pakistan and Albania and FYROM for Greece)who often side with their rivals.

Both Greece and Pakistan have significantly smaller populations and economy compared to Turkey and India.

Both countries have a big traditional ally in the north that could help them against their enemies. For Greece that is Russia and for Pakistan that is China. Don't ask about Russia,it's a big discussion and has to do with Russians fighting the Ottomans in the past and helping the Greeks and also because of prophecies.

Both countries have better pilots than their enemies.

Both countries have had Americans nagging about weapons and spare parts deliveries at some point.

Greece and Turkey had population exchanges,Pakistan and India had population exchanges.

Both countries have been betrayed by their British "allies" in the past.

Pakistan has Kashmir which is divided into Azad Kashmir,Indian occupied Kashmir and Chinese occupied Kashmir. Greece has Cyprus which is divided into the Greek Cypriot part and the Turkish part with the British having 2 huge bases on the island.

And both India and Turkey have a big propaganda machine often producing fake news with two populist leaders who are being voted by the majority of the conservative,illiterate or religiously fanatics of their countries.

And even though we have our differences,sometimes only a Greek can understand and Turk and a Pakistani an Indian and we are still connected by things like music,food,some common words and habits,eastern mentality and hospitality.

Difference between a Turkish pilot and Greek pilot is probably not much

 

[Foinikas]

Difference between a Turkish pilot and Greek pilot is probably not much

Not huge but Greek pilots have been often ranked among the top in NATO competitions and highly regarded and respected by their Western counterparts.

 

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Yes,like Ptisi said in an article,initially the Mirage F1 was inferior to the Phantom,but ours could carry 2 AIM-9 missiles and by 1990 they could carry two more. Somehow the Greek pilots managed to use it well as an interceptor fighter. But of course we then got the Mirage 2000.

AIM9 is not better than Magic. And I think Magic 2 was already there.

Difference between a Turkish pilot and Greek pilot is probably not much

Indeed. All trained in the same NATO courses.

 

[Foinikas]

Indeed. All trained in the same NATO courses.

Yeah but our pilots are getting awards and top ranks during NATO exercises...

Since you mentioned the Mirage 2000 earlier...

Greek pilots win "Best Warriors in the World" award in NATO training in Spain again (video) - ProtoThema English

Their foreign colleagues voted for them

en.protothema.gr

Greek pilots won Best Warrior in 2018,2019 and 2020.