THE F16 DILLEMA---PAF HAS GONE TOO FAR--NO MORE F16's PLEASE

[Eagle Claw]

Instead of J-10B/C, Why not consider Mig 35 ?

3 Squardons Mig-35 (VERY INSTANT),
2 Squadrons JH-7B (VERY INSTANT),
6 Squadrons J-31/FC-31 (NEAR FUTURE),
5 Squardons TFX or IFX/KFX (LATER)
This is my bet !

 

[MastanKhan]

Here is an interesting video of an F16

The B1 pilots powered up slightly to taxi, you can see the tail of the B1 start moving the same time the F-16 was behind it and got pushed over.

 

[thrilainmanila]

Instead of J-10B/C, Why not consider Mig 35 ?

3 Squardons Mig-35 (VERY INSTANT),
2 Squadrons JH-7B (VERY INSTANT),
6 Squadrons J-31/FC-31 (NEAR FUTURE),
5 Squardons TFX or IFX/KFX (LATER)
This is my bet !

MIG-35 is a derivative of mig-29 which the enemy has been operating for 30+ years
JH-7B is another unproven chinese design which will likely get gunned down by any decent platform,
J-31 unproven chinese experiment which even china doesn't have any confidence in
TFX (Pipe dream) it using an american engine the same reason why pak never went for the turkish attack choppers. The day the US gives the green light for turkey to provide there own jet engines to power a 5th generation fighter to pakistan is the day somalia sends astronauts to the moon

 

[Eagle Claw]

MIG-35 is a derivative of mig-29 which the enemy has been operating for 30+ years
JH-7B is another unproven chinese design which will likely get gunned down by any decent platform,
J-31 unproven chinese experiment which even china doesn't have any confidence in
TFX (Pipe dream) it using an american engine the same reason why pak never went for the turkish attack choppers. The day the US gives the green light for turkey to provide there own jet engines to power a 5th generation fighter to pakistan is the day somalia sends astronauts to the moon

The Su-35 in which PAF is interested is also a Derivative of Previous Sukhois which Enemy is operating from 1+ Decade -_-
Thats a Flop logic that if enemy is purchasing one thing from a Shop, I won't Purchase anything from that Shop.

 

[Viper 94]

PAF has some weird F-16 fetish
when the the whole world is going for 4.5 and 5th generation fighters PAF still is willing to spend billions buying sanction prone F-16
develop the JF-17 to that standard and start looking for the replacement for the F-16s we have
or else they will become mirages III and F-7s in the future

 

[Eagle Claw]

MIG-35 is a derivative of mig-29 which the enemy has been operating for 30+ years
JH-7B is another unproven chinese design which will likely get gunned down by any decent platform,
J-31 unproven chinese experiment which even china doesn't have any confidence in
TFX (Pipe dream) it using an american engine the same reason why pak never went for the turkish attack choppers. The day the US gives the green light for turkey to provide there own jet engines to power a 5th generation fighter to pakistan is the day somalia sends astronauts to the moon

>TFX uses American Engines ???
LOL . . . They are Interested in EJ-200's Variant :3.
> JH-7B will be gunned down unproven ???
LOL . . . Do you know that Chinese Navy is directly Funding This Project ???
> China doesn't has confidence in J-31, is Unproven ???
Do you know what will be pitched on Chinese Carriers from 5th Gen ???
And please tell me that which one of 5th Gen Bird is Battle Proven ???
LOL . . . Ohh Boy Ohhh Boy . . . You are a Indian Fan Boy . . .

 

[Dalit]

Hi,

All through the 90's we cried about the sanctions----the withholding of our F16's by the americans for which we had already made the payments in advance.

Our air force became a skeleton---just an air force in name only and then came 9/11. The sanctions came off----a prudent person would have thought that the paf must have had a plan set up in place in advance that if the sanctions came of in this this and this year---this is the air craft that we will procure on a fastrak basis----and if the sanctions came off after the next 3 or 5 years then we might consider this other aircraft.

So---basically---one would assume that the moment the sanctions came off---the paf would be ready to jump in and make the deal happen to fill in the role of a much needed AIR SUPERIORITY fighter aircraft which they had assessed during the time of sanctions.

Now that the sanctions have come off, but there is no urgency on the part of the paf to fill in that big gaping hole where an air superiority fighter would fit in. A year passes nothing happens---two years pass---then three years pass and nothing comes up. And now right close to three and a half years agfter the sanctions came off---they decide to go for the F16 BLK52 for a number of 72 aircraft----and still there is no urgency to sign the deal.

The earthquake happens in kashmir----supposedly the funds are re-routed to other causes and what we are left is with 18 F16's. Then we decided to make our own fighter---which actually was in the process of being designed at that time.

What we needed was something like the ' right in your face ' kind of air superiority aircraft----to fill the TOP TIER hole---but our air force decided to go for a utility aircraft to start filling the bottom tier hole---with the aircraft we now call the JF 17---a wonderful aircraft by all means---but not what was needed for the local war scenario.

It has been 14 years since the sanctions came off---. We should have had a 150 F16 type aircraft by now and another 100 JF17 type aircraft---but poor decisions---bad planning---poor judgement----has brought us down to 60 JF 17's and about 72 F16's MLU's and BLK52's etc put together. These two put together are similar in numbers of enemy's mirage 2k's and MIG 29's---and I am not even going to begin counting the twin engine air superiority fighters that the enemy has---the SU30---around 240 of them.

The chines J10 is ready---they started with the A---then the B package---an extremely potent air superiority aircraft---and then later they came up with a top notch the J10C version---with an aesa radar---a built in IRST package---and an excellent electronics warfare package for this aircraft.
The long range BVR missile the SD10 was already in operation---the next long range latest BVR missile the PL15 is also ready to be integrated---the high off bore sight missile is also ready to be integrated and this makes this J10C aircraft an extremely deadly air superiority fighter aircraft in the class of Eurofighter and the Rafale.

The paf should have switched over to the chinese J10C aircraft once it got into the production line----with the aesa and the latest chinese electronic warfare package---this aircraft would be superior to the BLK52 and a little less than the emirati BLK 60 but as good as the israeli soufa and in the due process of time---like around 5 years---with fresh upgrades---it would be competing with the Rafales and the Eruofighter head on.

But then the paf has waited till the last minute---. There is a stoppage by the U S congress on the F16 sale---. Rather than going for the F16----they should have signed a deal for the J10C and told the americans to hit the sand---and if the americans wanted the pakistani business---they would have come running back.
In major weapons purchase---time is of the ultimate essence.

You cannot be indecisive---humming and hawing---lollygagging---you have to be pro-active and make timely changes---because it takes many a years to INTEGRATE these new fancy machines into the system and learn to fly them and to use them to their maximum abilities----.

This love affair with the F16 of the pakistan air force has really hurt and damaged pakistan's strength to fight a war or defend its skies with its arch enemy.

We are left so far behind in this battle---that it is not even funny at this stage.

An excellent synopsis regarding what should have been done and where we stand today. We were naturally always going to lag compared to India due to lack of resources, funding etc., but we have made a mess by our own indecisiveness. This is the unfortunate truth. The only positive is JF-17, but without a superiority fighter alongside, this platform isn't as effective as a frontline workhorse as it should be. The strength of JF-17 lies in the sheer numbers as a force multiplier alongside a potent superiority fighter. The F-16 is not a superiority fighter and is further handicapped in its offensive role due to stringent US conditions. Not to mention the sanction prone aspect.

We can all agree on the fact that Pakistan is lagging behind due to its over-dependence and over-confidence on F-16. The over-dependence on F-16 has ruined our ability to field something better and more effective in adequate numbers. Time is running out and decisions have to be made rapidly now. There is a window of opportunity, but we have to make the best possible decision and quickly. Going for more F-16s clearly isn't an option anymore. Whatever we acquire as a superiority platform, it cannot be the F-16.

 

[barbarosa]

The best support for the ground forces in the battle field is JH 7. Instead of F 16 PAF should purchase better aircraft than F 16 such as SU 35 J 10 B/C. Gripen is already exist in the PAF fleet as JF 17 ( If we developed it as Gripen ).

 

[帅的一匹]

Recently there isn't any news about J31 fighter, @SinoSoldier, when will J31 blk2 maiden flight?

If PAF straightly goes for J31, will they invest in the project?

Will China deploy J31 variant on domestic carrier?

 

[batmannow]

The Su-35 in which PAF is interested is also a Derivative of Previous Sukhois which Enemy is operating from 1+ Decade -_-
Thats a Flop logic that if enemy is purchasing one thing from a Shop, I won't Purchase anything from that Shop.

That stupid logic has to change , in wars now a days even assault riffles are same in different countries , what makes them win is their fighting sprit & use of tech ?

 

[Dalit]

Recently there isn't any news about J31 fighter, @SinoSoldier, when will J31 blk2 maiden flight?

If PAF straightly goes for J31, will they invest in the project?

Will China deploy J31 variant on domestic carrier?

Definitely interested in the development and progress of J-31.

 

[Asifkamal]

Why not now try for grippen NG? I,m sure, after indian purchase of refale, there will be no huddle

 

[araz]

Why not now try for grippen NG? I,m sure, after indian purchase of refale, there will be no huddle

Asifkamal
There will be massive hurdles and PAF will on top of all kill off any chances of export of JFT if we go for Gripen. It is the same size plane, frightfully exensive with an American Supported Volvo engine so you know what will happen if you ask them.
A

 

[The Eagle]

Asifkamal
There will be massive hurdles and PAF will on top of all kill off any chances of export of JFT if we go for Gripen. It is the same size plane, frightfully exensive with an American Supported Volvo engine so you know what will happen if you ask them.
A

Agreed Sir... it was the story of past. The chances or reason of Grippen NG are vanished. It's useless in current scenario for us. Indeed as per current events, going for J-31 since start with stance of participation in program will help more indeed.

 

[Benign Persona]

Turkey can also produce F16 cant we Purchase for them??????????????