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There is no bait here for India, and none for Pakistan either. Please let me explain briefly.
I am on record here clearly stating that India's international rise will continue, but at a price. It will get NSG and UNSC memberships too. The price will be in opening up its markets and adapting international systems. Whether India is capable of doing that still remains to be seen. (I was thoroughly condemned for saying that India will rise and shine, but that is another story. )
This F-16 offer is a step along the same path. If India can adapt its business practices to those of the West, immense geopolitical and economic benefits will follow. But can India do that?
Regarding Pakistan, this change in the regional geopolitical scenario was a long time coming. The recent signing of LEMOA was a good step forward for India, but it was Pakistan that created the groundwork for it by its own "hard work". Going forward, I have no doubt that Pakistan has grasped the magnitude of the change, but whether it will come up will a viable alternative remains to be seen.
I am quite content to sit back and watch.
All said and done there is one problem.
COLOR OF THE SKIN.
No white majority nation would ever consider a brown/black country as it's equal partner. Least of all anglicized countries. We forever would remain means to an end. I hope India never forgets that
TBH I would have liked China/India/Pakistan as power block but that is not a natural grouping due to resource constraints and competitiveness b/w India and China. As they say there can be only one "man of the house".
There is no bait here for India, and none for Pakistan either. Please let me explain briefly.
I am on record here clearly stating that India's international rise will continue, but at a price. It will get NSG and UNSC memberships too. The price will be in opening up its markets and adapting international systems. Whether India is capable of doing that still remains to be seen. (I was thoroughly condemned for saying that India will rise and shine, but that is another story. )
This F-16 offer is a step along the same path. If India can adapt its business practices to those of the West, immense geopolitical and economic benefits will follow. But can India do that?
Regarding Pakistan, this change in the regional geopolitical scenario was a long time coming. The recent signing of LEMOA was a good step forward for India, but it was Pakistan that created the groundwork for it by its own "hard work". Going forward, I have no doubt that Pakistan has grasped the magnitude of the change, but whether it will come up will a viable alternative remains to be seen.
I am quite content to sit back and watch.
Hi Pari,
No wonder its very refreshing and inoormatve at sametime to read your posts. The content you post is just as wonderful as youre ( though I haven't met you personally, but would love) on second note. why didn't ya tag. I am your greatest fan of writing
Now getting back to original post. The reason My IAF chose MMRCA has been very well explained in brief. Its no wonder why they went for it an for a good reason until the french tried to act smart. I am all up with India on this one. India can pay upfront in cash, hence it has every right to make the best use of its funds. It is true that What Lockheed will offer in terms of TOT will be nothing more than as assembly line which will be monitored and controlled from white HOUSE. India will not be able to enjoy as much as freedom as it does on MKI or for Rafael if it comes, as we all are very well aware of how painful end user agreement of US are. Who would know it more better than us Pakistanis.
The best option for IAF in medium category is continue to develop Tejas into formidable fighter and go for super sukhor upgrade. With amount CAPEX lying around, it can be used for more R&D and to purchase sub-components for TEJAS
Only this stime both of us are on wrong side of table as we should have been otherwise.
If Pakistan for that matter had taken a serious note of that. We wouldn't be begging for f solaa rather we would be making some efforts for jf-17. But then again or geopolitical mentality is very regional
You wrote that earlier in another thread. I am very keen to learn what you actually mean by that. Though I wouldn't disagree with you, if I get it correctly. But, still I would insist on going about in more detail
All said and done there is one problem.
COLOR OF THE SKIN.
No white majority nation would ever consider a brown/black country as it's equal partner. Least of all anglicized countries. We forever would remain means to an end. I hope India never forgets that
TBH I would have liked China/India/Pakistan as power block but that is not a natural grouping due to resource constraints and competitiveness b/w India and China. As they say there can be only one "man of the house".
Luckily, international geopolitics is color blind.
Excellent analysis. Right on spotAll said and done there is one problem.
COLOR OF THE SKIN.
No white majority nation would ever consider a brown/black country as it's equal partner. Least of all anglicized countries. We forever would remain means to an end. I hope India never forgets that
TBH I would have liked China/India/Pakistan as power block but that is not a natural grouping due to resource constraints and competitiveness b/w India and China. As they say there can be only one "man of the house".
A very solid point. Own US citizens of colored skins don have a good standing then expecting us Indians to be treated equal or even in the same league is indeed foolishness.. Its pure blood smell for the Military MIC.. for that they will feed us, fatten us and then slowly suck out every once of blood as long as we meet their requirements and align with their interests..
Point is who wants F16.
India?
Pakistan??
The answer is probably no one!
Excellent reply sir.. Indeed what you are pointing correct but its very difficult to change the mindset. In India to endorse it we must turn ourselves into a capitalist market for which we as a country will not agree. Of course its a different trhead topic so will not indulge you on that here.
Only this stime both of us are on wrong side of table as we should have been otherwise.
If Pakistan for that matter had taken a serious note of that. We wouldn't be begging for f solaa rather we would be making some efforts for jf-17. But then again or geopolitical mentality is very regional
Still a commendable effort, even for a joint venture though. And the best part is it follows the breed of very superior machine of its time mig 21SalarSikander, That is because ,irrespective of all the hype that Pakistanis are creating, JF-17 is an inferior third generation design. It is an evolved version of Mig21. Chinese J-7 evolved from USSR Mig-21, and JF-17 has evolved from Chinese J-7. Its airframe design is stable third gen thus it does not need 3-D FBW, but would also be slow to respond to pilot's command.
In comparison to that F-16 is an unstable 4th gen airframe design . Your Airforce know this hence they want F-16 badly. It is the most cost effective 4+ Gen plane.
If you want better planes than F-16, you would have to get a completely new design like J-10 or J-31 or TFX.
The million dollar question isThx for the tag PAR
Now to the thread imagine a new F16 akin to something like a F-15SE. The F16 can be customized as much as India wants and this was already evident with CFTs. In any case look at the F-15SE and the modifications made on that is also possible on the F16 in general.
Don't think air-frame modification would be done as much as say for the lessons derived from the XL version but maybe VISTA. There have been experiments with the F16 for ages and this means if India gets access to those research material it would advance a lot in aerospace tech.