The extraordinary ways in which China humiliates Muslims

[salarsikander]

The best pork i had was in germany and china.
China especially has pork as its main food.
Maybe chinese can introduce pig farming in pakistan as part of CPEC.
Would be a good employment generator.

No, but we can actually work JV with them and rear cattle farms only. Consumer!ing specifically cow meat

 

[Thorough Pro]

Like they are living in heaven in India? Since when have you guys become so concerned for Muslims? have you stopped killing them in your own country?

Muslims are having it really bad in china.

Chinese are intelligent, they don't invest in surplus products knowing very well that the population of the skinny black pigs is exploding in excess of 1.3 billion a little east of our border. they can however enjoy cow beef steaks as much as they like cause there are no holy cows in Pakistan, they all go under the knife

The best pork i had was in germany and china.
China especially has pork as its main food.
Maybe chinese can introduce pig farming in pakistan as part of CPEC.
Would be a good employment generator.

 

[Max]

What about the 20 Million Muhajirs. Why is the similarity of Punjabis always highlighted, but no one even mentions the Muhajirs.

most of them were from different ethnic groups like Bihari, UP, Hyderabadi, Dehli wale, south wale , Rajhasthani along with Gujus, if you try to divide the numbers among ethnic groups. you will find none of them significant to mention.

anyways most of them are now mixed and have adopted local culture, no saari, no choori dar pajama for men, in short they have no connection to gangland anymore. they are indusinized.

 

[r0ck]

I have one question for Pakistanis here, and its asked with a very genuine intent:

You said 1 question but ended up asking 2 .

1. Chinese LOVE their alcohol and pork. Will Pakistan allow them to consume both freely, even during Ramadan?

This question is a bit odd so I'll try to address it by pieces.

Firstly, Pakistan does not regulate of what you can and cannot eat at specific times of the year including Ramadhan. So anyone can consume food as they want anytime of the year.

Secondly, fasting during Ramadhan is done by Muslims, not Non-Muslims who can consume food freely anytime including Ramadhan. Muslims too, who are unable to fast due to any reason (e.g. health issues), can consume food freely anytime during Ramadhan.

Thirdly, there is a point to not consume food in front of a person who is fasting, however, that’s a case of decency and persons who are not fasting are mostly decent enough to be mindful of this.

Fourthly, food termed “Haraam” such as pork and alcohol is prohibited for Muslims all around the year, not just in Ramadhan. Non-Muslims, however, are free from such prohibitions. Don’t know about pork but Pakistan issues alcohol licenses to Non-Muslims who can sell or drink alcohol all they want all round the year.

TLDR; choosing what to eat & drink and what not to eat & drink during Ramadhan isn’t a state regulated matter.

2. IF the Chinese object to the presence of any mosque in the vicinity of where they are staying, will Pakistan oblige?

Strange question as to why would a mosque in the vicinity (being an Islamic republic country) be of concern.

But going along with your question anyway, even if Chinese guests or Indians or Westerners or anyone for that matter have any real concerns about anything in their vicinities, Pakistan would do whatever necessary to remedy those concerns.

 

[hussain0216]

China is a communist state

There are many things about China we totally disagree with

But its up to Chinese muslims to keep and spread their beliefs and culture (islam has spread in China over the last few decades and the Muslims have started to become much more practising) both the community and the Chinese authority have got on each others tits.


We recommend that the Chinese authorities rethink how to integrate muslim communities who tend to be very protective of their culture and faith


However their is no death, no people being gunned down.
No state wide massacre, no mass rape or slaughter

This is not india or burma

One more thing

Human beings never love something more than when it is denied them.

I used to eat beef only on occasion, but lately I found I have been having alot beef dishes.
Why?
because the indians banned it!
So I thought fcuk it im going to kill as many Gao mata's as possible


In China the authorities have become so unbalanced because the Chinese muslims have become alot more practicing and open about their faith.

But the more the Chinese ban or try to control the more the Chinese muslims will do it anyway

So if you ban the name Muhammad, guess what every boy born will be called Muhammad
Even if previously maybe only 20% had that name
They will be Muhammad to their friends, to their families to everyone
EXCEPT to the authorities and on official papers where they will be called Ping Ping

The more you try to control people's beleifs the more they will respond

 

[prashantazazel]

northern bharat similar in thoughts? wtf are you blabbering bharati? first describe north india? for us Pakistan except Punjabis no one in bharat is similar to us.

Not even the large number of mohajirs from UP and Bihar?

Forget Gujarat, the life of an average Muslim in India is hell. You get lynched for eating wrong food, women get raped with impunity, systematic culling (riots) to keep Muslim population down, etc.

Communist style rule is heaven compared to that.

Muslim population is still going up. It went up by a percentage point in the last census.

 

[Max]

Not even the large number of mohajirs from UP and Bihar?

i have answered this in my previous post..

let me again quote it for you..

most of Muhajir (10/15 million total population) were from different ethnic groups like Bihari, UP, Hyderabadi, Dehli wale, south wale , Rajhasthani along with Gujus and Kutchis, if you try to divide the numbers among ethnic groups. you will find none of them significant to mention.

anyways most of them are now mixed with other ethnic groups and have adopted local culture, no saari, no choori dar pajama for men, in short they have no connection to gangland anymore. they are indusinized.

 

[Śakra]

It's an excellent defensive strategies package.

The upper echelons are watching carefully.

 

[Muhammed45]

I wonder when will the sectarian wars would end in Muslim countries.
But the day it happens, Muslims can unite. This union will be awesome in all terms

In China all I have to do is not have Mohammad as surname or grow large beard? Sign me the **** up.

Didn't know that. China is alive with our oil, imagine this. How would they dare to impose such a bullshit law?

 

[CaptainJackSparrow]

The extraordinary ways in which China humiliates Muslims

Bans on “abnormal” beards and even the name “Muhammad”

CHINESE officials describe the far western province of Xinjiang as a “core area” in the vast swathe of territory covered by the country’s grandiose “Belt and Road Initiative” to boost economic ties with Central Asia and regions beyond. They hope that wealth generated by the scheme will help to make Xinjiang more stable—for years it has been plagued by separatist violence which China says is being fed by global jihadism. But the authorities are not waiting. In recent months they have intensified their efforts to stifle the Islamic identity of Xinjiang’s ethnic Uighurs, fearful that any public display of their religious belief could morph into militancy.

Xinjiang’s 10m Uighurs (nearly half of its population) have long been used to heavy-handed curbs: a ban on unauthorised pilgrimages to Mecca, orders to students not to fast during Ramadan, tough restrictions on Islamic garb (women with face-covering veils are sometimes not allowed on buses), no entry to many mosques for people under 18, and so on.

But since he took over last August as Xinjiang’s Communist Party chief, Chen Quanguo has launched even harsher measures—pleased, apparently, by his crushing of dissent in Tibet where he previously served as leader. As in Tibet, many Xinjiang residents have been told to hand their passports to police and seek permission to travel abroad. In one part of Xinjiang all vehicles have been ordered to install satellite tracking-devices. There have been several shows of what officials call “thunderous power”, involving thousands of paramilitary troops parading through streets.

Last month, new rules came into effect that banned “abnormal” beards (such as the one worn by the man pictured in front of the main mosque in Kashgar in south-western Xinjiang). They also called on transport workers to report women wearing face veils or full-body coverings to the police, and prohibited “naming of children to exaggerate religious fervour”. A leaked list of banned names includes Muhammad, Mecca and Saddam. Parents may not be able to obtain vital household-registration papers for children with unapproved names, meaning they could be denied free schooling and health care.

Residents have also been asked to spy on each other. In Urumqi, the region’s capital, locals can report security threats via a new mobile app. People living in Altay in northern Xinjiang have been promised rewards of up to 5m yuan ($720,000) for tip-offs that help capture militants—over 200 times the local income per person.

Across Xinjiang residents have been asked to inform the authorities of any religious activities, including weddings and circumcisions. The government is also testing its own people’s loyalty. In March an official in Hotan in southern Xinjiang was demoted for “timidity” in “fighting against religious extremism” because he chose not to smoke in front of a group of mullahs.

Mr Chen is widely rumoured to be a contender for a seat in the ruling Politburo in a reshuffle due late this year. Displays of toughness may help to ingratiate him with China’s president, Xi Jinping, who has called for “a great wall of iron” to safeguard Xinjiang. Spending on security in Xinjiang was nearly 20% higher in 2016 than the year before. Adverts for security-related jobs there increased more than threefold last year, reckon James Leibold of La Trobe University and Adrian Zenz of the European School of Culture and Theology at Korntal, Germany.

Uighurs have been blamed for several recent attacks in Xinjiang. In one of them in February, in the southern prefecture of Hotan, three knife-wielding men killed five people and injured several others before being shot dead by police (local reports suggested the violence occurred after a Uighur family was punished for holding a prayer session at home). Officials may be congratulating themselves on the success of their tactics; reported large-scale attacks by Uighurs inside and outside Xinjiang have abated in the past 18 months. Yet as in Tibet, intrusive surveillance and curbs on cultural expression have fuelled people’s desperation. “A community is like a fruit,” says a Uighur driver from Kashgar. “Squash it too hard and it will burst.”

This article appeared in the China section of the print edition under the headline "One belt, one roadblock"

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