The enemy and Pakistan Army

[Developereo]

We also have TIME on our side.

Still money. It's about who can feed the meter the longest.

And you have the wrong geopolitical RELIGION.

There are sufficiently large numbers of people who pray to the green god of the dollar.

 

[RazPaK]

I believe India does not have the INTENT to be aggressive. But if pushed and not given a choice, am sure India has the WILL to go through with it. This however doesn't mean that India will throw the first punch, we just dont have the need to. The first blow has to come from Pakistan, either in the form of a direct attack or in the form of a devastating proxy attack to which India HAS to respond.



It isnt mind blowing. No one said so. But it is certainly something we are proud of. When zero achievements can make Pakistanis proud, what is wrong if Indians feel proud of atleast SOME achievements?

BUT INDIA WILL NOT.

Just like before and just like now.

 

[vsdoc]

Its all very good to want to be friends now and talk peace and the futility of war.

The fact of the matter is that our problem with each other is religious.

And that is not going away anytime soon.

Regardless of Hinduism being way more chilled out than Islam about personal faith, push come to shove, Hinduism has way more time invested into their faith.

The basic premise of the halt of Islamic spread eastward hinged on that.

And the numbers.

The Persians were overrun.

India was too big. Indians too many.

And the time for dominance and conversion too little.

And then the Brits came in and spolit the fun.

As if the Sikhs and Marathas were not enough.

So in essence, we do have unfinished business with you.

You ensured that with Partition.

Till you take care of the Hindu angle, you will not be safe.

Ever.

That's what this thread boils down to I'm afraid.

I now hand the stage back to the Aman-wadi peaceniks.

 

[Developereo]

I believe India does not have the INTENT to be aggressive. But if pushed and not given a choice, am sure India has the WILL to go through with it. This however doesn't mean that India will throw the first punch, we just dont have the need to. The first blow has to come from Pakistan, either in the form of a direct attack or in the form of a devastating proxy attack to which India HAS to respond.

But the question was whether India has the money and will to maintain the pressure on Pakistan to outspend, outwait, out... it to oblivion.

 

[RazPaK]

Its all very good to want to be friends now and talk peace and the futility of war.

The fact of the matter is that our problem with each other is religious.

And that is not going away anytime soon.

Regardless of Hinduism being way more chilled out than Islam about personal faith, push come to shove, Hinduism has way more time invested into their faith.

The basic premise of the halt of Islamic spread eastward hinged on that.

And the numbers.

The Persians were overrun.

India was too big. Indians too many.

And the time for dominance and conversion too little.

And then the Brits came in and spolit the fun.

As if the Sikhs and Marathas were not enough.

So in essence, we do have unfinished business with you.

You ensured that with Partition.

Till you take care of the Hindu angle, you will not be safe.

Ever.

That's what this thread boils down to I'm afraid.

I now hand the stage back to the Aman-wadi peaceniks.

Very glad that the Parsis in Pakistan are not as extremist as you are.

Still mad about Islam?

Get a grip.

 

[Developereo]

The fact of the matter is that our problem with each other is religious.

And out comes the real vsdoc.

Not that you had any of us fooled for a second.

 

[KS]

And out comes the real vsdoc.

Not that you had any of us fooled for a second.

Please please dont pretend that Pakistanis dont consider Kashmir as the unfinished business of Partition.

Its not like you are fooling us by pretending otherwise.

 

[Developereo]

Please please dont pretend that Pakistanis dont consider Kashmir as the unfinished business of Partition.

Its not like you are fooling us by pretending otherwise.

Kashmir? who's talking about Kashmir?

Please see the line of his I quoted.

 

[vsdoc]

You are getting it in the reverse. Kashmir is supposed to be the unfinished business of Partition.

Kashmir is nothing brother. It is the two sides jostling for a strategic hold.

In the bigger scheme of things, what India needs is to complete the Partition.

Properly this time.

That is what we are heading towards.

That is what Bangladesh has been kept in a holding pattern for.

India and China at the deep state level have seen eye to eye for decades now.

Do not let our pre-pubescent media fool you. At the level of the forces, we know better.

The American tryst with India has less to do with China and more to do with world Islam.

Pakistan is an important cog in that wheel. Regardless of its social or economic situation.

 

[IND151]

Because the cost of these useless and money-sucking parleys, conferences, talks and so on are cheap ways to keep them peaceful and pre-occupied.

The main task of the Indian Army, Air Force and Navy against Pakistan is to make sure that they do not float yet another addle-pated misadventure. Why they do so in the teeth of all objective criteria is wrapped in folk-lore and in the psyche of a set of people who perceived threats where there were none, who sought guarantees against aggression that did not exist, who wanted to defend themselves against a foe whom they described as timid and unwarlike. It goes beyond reason, and is wrapped up in the bitterness overcoming an elite who have to suffer degradation from elite status. So Pakistan will always attack; it is at that time that she is dangerous, not while defending.

The second reason is the Ronald Reagan defense. As long as the two countries are at peace, some kind of peace, the Indian economy gains - every single day - an additional edge over the Pakistani economy. Our competition is not with the Chinese, not even with the Pakistani, it is with ourselves. It is we who are holding ourselves back, by not completing reforms and the dismantling of the administration of minute controls. It is we who can release ourselves to grow to the position that we held till as late as the advent of the British, when the wealth of India was a significant proportion of the wealth of the world. And for that we need peace.

The effects of this drawing away in economic and financial terms is already clear. The Pakistanis have lost the battle, the war, mentally. Their purchase decisions are imbued with an air of defeat. They buy what they know is compromised technology, re-works of yesteryear, and justify it by pointing to an increasing amount of indigenisation of their main battle tank. An effort like the Arjun is beyond them, and if we were to look at things with an unbiased vision, we would realize that but for our military's greed and hunger for Russian bribes, we have already won the battle for the mind against Pakistan. Minor defects like the shortage of ammunition for tanks, and shortage of artillery, and several others which go unreported, are nothing but minor defects. They will evaporate once pressure builds up, and can exist only as long as everyone knows that these are storms in a tea-cup, commotions in a time of peace. So, too, with their aircraft provisioning; so, too, with the evident confusion in naval planning, devoid of strategy or reason to the point where anything that the Indian Navy does looks good by comparison.

If this continues for another decade - two would be nicer - there will be a permanent salience of morale against them, in favor of India. As this salience grows, the danger also grows that some intelligent general, who realizes what is happening (as most of them do even today) and, unlike the others, decides to arrest the process by giving the military something to chew on and so goes to war, will find us between one stage of preparedness and another.

That is why I believe that you would do a great service to the nation - both nations - by calming the waters on the surface, and allow the invisible hand to work its miracles. If only the Pakistanis realized that we would do nothing about Baluchistan for the simple reason that all that a hostile Indian administration might wish for is being achieved for them with ridiculous ease by the other side. So, too, with all other problems afflicting them. They are the Sorcerer's Apprentice; they have nursed and let loose forces beyond their control, and our task should only be to let them sort things out internally, in their on-going but unannounced civil war, and only to stir into action to go to their rescue if things get too bad, or to stop foolhardy aggression as we have had to do so many times before.

@ 1st bolded part> 100% right.

@2nd bolded part> i don't think we will get 2 decades.

Pak will recover till 2020 -mostly if not fully-from damage it suffered due to Wot.

 

[KS]

Kashmir? who's talking about Kashmir?

Please see the line of his I quoted.

I dont subscribe to Akhand Bharat theory and will limit myself to the problem between the states of India and Pak which began with Kashmir and whose roots lie in religion.

Kashmir is nothing brother. It is the two sides jostling for a strategic hold.

In the bigger scheme of things, what India needs is to complete the Partition.

Properly this time.

That is what we are heading towards.

That is what Bangladesh has been kept in a holding pattern for.

India and China at the deep state level have seen eye to eye for decades now.

Do not let our pre-pubescent media fool you. At the level of the forces, we know better.

The American tryst with India has less to do with China and more to do with world Islam.

Pakistan is an important cog in that wheel. Regardless of its social or economic situation.

You want to complete Partition or reverse Partition ?

On second thoughts, chuck it. Let time answer that question.

 

[Wickerman]

BUT INDIA WILL NOT.

Just like before and just like now.

India will not because it is responsible. But that doesnt mean you can keep provoking it. Patience does have its limits. Thats why I said the intensity of the attack needs to be really severe. 26/11 caused India to threaten. A more severe attack will probably force it to respond. Although this is an assumption, Pakistan cannot assume that India wont attack too. Hence the premise of this thread that India is its number 1 enemy, because of the possibility of an Indian attack. However, the actual ENEMY is not India that responds to an attack, but the ones that initiate an attack. And the ones that do, are the extremists backed by your institutions such as the Army and the ISI. Hence Pakistan's enemies lie within, not outside. India's actions are just retaliatory in nature.

But the question was whether India has the money and will to maintain the pressure on Pakistan to outspend, outwait, out... it to oblivion.

Yes, it does. And it is in the process of doing just that as we speak. Remember, India only has to have more money than Pakistan, not have more money than everybody else.

 

[RazPaK]

Kashmir is nothing brother. It is the two sides jostling for a strategic hold.

In the bigger scheme of things, what India needs is to complete the Partition.

Properly this time.

That is what we are heading towards.

That is what Bangladesh has been kept in a holding pattern for.

India and China at the deep state level have seen eye to eye for decades now.

Do not let our pre-pubescent media fool you. At the level of the forces, we know better.

The American tryst with India has less to do with China and more to do with world Islam.

Pakistan is an important cog in that wheel. Regardless of its social or economic situation.

Lmao, the parsiwan's hate has now transcended all logic.

Chill with the hate and understand reality.

 

[vsdoc]

Lmao, the parsiwan's hate has now transcended all logic.

Chill with the hate and understand reality.

There is no hate.

Only objectives and cold calculation.

 

[RazPaK]

There is no hate.

Only objectives and cold calculation.

Sir, I hope your children become Muslim. Inshallah

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