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The effectiveness of Bayraktar tb2 drones in Karabakh war

Pakistan has bought them but we should get them with TOT.
I think it's not that difficult to open a production line in Pakistan for 97% of the components - composites, engine, imaging, radars, sensors, ammos, comms etc. - are indigenous. Pak should also opt for producing the critical components in house, especially composites and engines....

If Pak can produce them en masse along with micro sat-based data links and land/air-based EW systems, all the Indian advantages in armored, artillery, AD etc. will be a part of the history. And, TB2s can come handy in the Sir Creek area as the recent naval actions in Ukraine have shown...
 
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The 3rd TB-2 supported operation on Snake Island, this time the target is an MI-8 and special operations personnel.


SEAD/DEAD and even engagement in deep logistics lines... These were unimaginable for a system of this scale, for somes. Here the ' well known trolls of forum' have wasted years with absolute denial, lol.While some so-called analysts are still trying to explain them, now TB-2 expandin its collection with engagement with navy assets or even operations against rotary wing troop operations... I think, there's only one missing piece in TB-2's kill mark encyclopedia...

PS: I would like to remind you that it neutralized a fixed wing plane on takeoff, in Libya. So you can narrow down the possible answers range of the last sentence above. lol.
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Turkey is diplomatically bound not to provide any weapons to Ukraine during the hostile engagements for she's working as a mediator to have some sorts of cease fire....

As for the TB2 ammos, the equivalents of them are probably provided by the USA...

Turkey hasn't taken any physically hostile actions against Russia so far. The Treaties of Montreux governing the straights have been being followed in verbatim....
Yes I understand.
 
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Maybe our own TB2?

General Atomics’ Rough Field-Capable Mojave Drone Breaks Cover​

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General Atomics has offered the first official details about a new unmanned aircraft it has been developing internally called the Mojave. Derived from the MQ-1C Gray Eagle that the company developed for the U.S. Army, it is optimized for short takeoffs and landings from semi-improved surfaces with an emphasis on supporting various kinds of expeditionary and distributed operations. Its new wing gives it a look that is reminiscent in some ways of the OV-10 Bronco. The company says that its improved short-field performance would also make it suitable for carrier-based operations without any need for a catapult to launch it or arresting gear during recovery.


David Alexander, President of General Atomics Aeronautical Systems, Inc. (GA-ASI), together with C. Mark Brinkley, GA-ASI's Senior Director of Marketing & Strategic Communications, provided details about Mojave to The War Zone during a call with reporters yesterday. The Mojave, only one of which currently exists, took its first flight this past Summer and has conducted a number of flight tests since then.

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Maybe our own TB2?

General Atomics’ Rough Field-Capable Mojave Drone Breaks Cover​

GA-ASI_Mojave_-.jpg

General Atomics has offered the first official details about a new unmanned aircraft it has been developing internally called the Mojave. Derived from the MQ-1C Gray Eagle that the company developed for the U.S. Army, it is optimized for short takeoffs and landings from semi-improved surfaces with an emphasis on supporting various kinds of expeditionary and distributed operations. Its new wing gives it a look that is reminiscent in some ways of the OV-10 Bronco. The company says that its improved short-field performance would also make it suitable for carrier-based operations without any need for a catapult to launch it or arresting gear during recovery.


David Alexander, President of General Atomics Aeronautical Systems, Inc. (GA-ASI), together with C. Mark Brinkley, GA-ASI's Senior Director of Marketing & Strategic Communications, provided details about Mojave to The War Zone during a call with reporters yesterday. The Mojave, only one of which currently exists, took its first flight this past Summer and has conducted a number of flight tests since then.

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That looks really great
 
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Maybe our own TB2?

General Atomics’ Rough Field-Capable Mojave Drone Breaks Cover​

GA-ASI_Mojave_-.jpg

General Atomics has offered the first official details about a new unmanned aircraft it has been developing internally called the Mojave. Derived from the MQ-1C Gray Eagle that the company developed for the U.S. Army, it is optimized for short takeoffs and landings from semi-improved surfaces with an emphasis on supporting various kinds of expeditionary and distributed operations. Its new wing gives it a look that is reminiscent in some ways of the OV-10 Bronco. The company says that its improved short-field performance would also make it suitable for carrier-based operations without any need for a catapult to launch it or arresting gear during recovery.


David Alexander, President of General Atomics Aeronautical Systems, Inc. (GA-ASI), together with C. Mark Brinkley, GA-ASI's Senior Director of Marketing & Strategic Communications, provided details about Mojave to The War Zone during a call with reporters yesterday. The Mojave, only one of which currently exists, took its first flight this past Summer and has conducted a number of flight tests since then.

ga-asi-mojave-1600x780c.jpg

message-editor%2F1639021235325-mojave-hellfires.jpg
Mate this is far greater than a TB2 lol.

Look at the payload difference, 16 fu**king hellfire missiles. Such a small UAV with that payload capacity is unheard off
 
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Mate this is far greater than a TB2 lol.

Look at the payload difference, 16 fu**king hellfire missiles. Such a small UAV with that payload capacity is unheard off
Mojave's (or MQ-9B STOL packages') avionics and flight control systems are built upon the systems of the MQ-9 Reaper and MQ-1C Gray Eagle-Extended Range (ER), parts of a fleet boasting over 7 million hours of operation. These systems are not tactical UAVs, they are longrange and medium altidude UCAVs with an operational range of thousands of kilometers, and payload capacity of minumum 1000lb and up to 3500lb.

The TB-3, on the other hand, is a part of UAV system-of-systems specially customized for the LHD ships, mainly developed over the TB-2 infrastructure, including some systems to be included in AKINCI, and its main purpose is a tactical class, piston turbodiesel that can be operated with JP-8/Jet-A1 fuels with very low maintenance costs, minumum logistic difficulty.

Tactical block 2 has a payload capacity of 330 lb, while Tactical block 3 is targeting a maximum payload capable of around 650 lb for the ship launch configuration. Tactical block 2 communication range is maximum 300 km(without adding another communication relay) due to technical constraints, Block 3 will be connected with satcom and data link and range constraint will be parallel to maximum flight time. As in Block 2, a maximum flight time of over 27 hours is targeted for Block 3. Likewise, Tactical block 3 will perform fully autonomous landing and take-off like its predecessor. The operator reaction time difference of the TB-2 is around 2 seconds. The new block will have instant intelligence and strike capability just like its predecessor.

This system is compared to development activities such as the MQ-9B/Mojave in the USA, due to the fact that it does not require any operator control during landing and take-off from ships and some other autonomous capabilities it will acquire from AKINCI.

The fact that a navy drone with these capabilities is in tactical class dimensions and in the range of operational costs is perfectly compatible with the doctrine on which the Turkish naval forces are working and has already been shaped in line with these requirements in the aircraft in question.

In addition, the PD-170 (which powered to the TB-3) is ready and creates an area that we can use in drone development in this class without any restrictions.

So what will be the solution for higher mission speed, different mission altitude envelopes, attack profiles and ammunition capacity? Continuing developments in this regard is the MIUS-Block-1, aka Kızılelma, which is targeted to serve with a turbofan engine and 3500lb ammunition lifting capacity at high-subsonic speeds.

The TB-3 will be commissioned first and will be the first operational drone in its field. Then Kızılelma(MIUS block-1) and Kızılelma-II(MIUS block-2) will be on roadmap. In the timeline that the TB-3 is no longer needed, probably the TB-4 works will start in tactical class weights and dimensions.

There is a confusion by some circles in the ongoing activities in Turkiye, since we cannot explain these class differences well enough.
 
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Maybe our own TB2?

General Atomics’ Rough Field-Capable Mojave Drone Breaks Cover​

GA-ASI_Mojave_-.jpg

General Atomics has offered the first official details about a new unmanned aircraft it has been developing internally called the Mojave. Derived from the MQ-1C Gray Eagle that the company developed for the U.S. Army, it is optimized for short takeoffs and landings from semi-improved surfaces with an emphasis on supporting various kinds of expeditionary and distributed operations. Its new wing gives it a look that is reminiscent in some ways of the OV-10 Bronco. The company says that its improved short-field performance would also make it suitable for carrier-based operations without any need for a catapult to launch it or arresting gear during recovery.


David Alexander, President of General Atomics Aeronautical Systems, Inc. (GA-ASI), together with C. Mark Brinkley, GA-ASI's Senior Director of Marketing & Strategic Communications, provided details about Mojave to The War Zone during a call with reporters yesterday. The Mojave, only one of which currently exists, took its first flight this past Summer and has conducted a number of flight tests since then.

ga-asi-mojave-1600x780c.jpg

message-editor%2F1639021235325-mojave-hellfires.jpg




Sorry, do you now how much MQ-9 cost? I can not imagine what the fak this will cost, to expensive! Greece will pay 400 million dollar for 4 drone, Australlia will pay for 12 MQ 1.6 billion of dollars. Ok with weapon package but TB3 will not cost like that.

Mark my words, a navalized MQ-9 will be expensiver then the land version. Naval MQ-9 means stronger frame, corrosion resist materials, stronger engine.

TB3 will cost double of TB2(5 million dollar), a systems of TB2 consist 3 drone and control station....


lol

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Sorry, do you now how much MQ-9 cost? I can not imagine what the fak this will cost, to expensive! Greece will pay 400 million dollar for 4 drone, Australlia will pay for 12 MQ 1.6 billion of dollars. Ok with weapon package but TB3 will not cost like that.

Mark my words, a navalized MQ-9 will be expensiver then the land version. Naval MQ-9 means stronger frame, corrosion resist materials, stronger engine.

TB3 will cost double of TB2(5 million dollar), a systems of TB2 consist 3 drone and control station....


lol

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Those MQ-9s probably have sensors that we have no idea exist. Sometimes high price is worth it.
 
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Those MQ-9s probably have sensors that we have no idea exist. Sometimes high price is worth it.

Still expensive, you can ad to TB2 sensor like SAR radar. You can put on ANKA or Aksunger SIGIN equipments but it will not cost like that for sure.

Overpriced mine opinion.
 
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Still expensive, you can ad to TB2 sensor like SAR radar. You can put on ANKA or Aksunger SIGIN equipments but it will not cost like that for sure.

Overpriced mine opinion.
Together with its internal SIGINT module(bs-101) there is also a SIGINT pod for the TB-2, if I am not mistaken. Even Ukrainians use it with an Italian solution in some of their systems. Our sources are starting to be quite disciplined about open source intelligence but not the Ukrainians, if I'm not mistaken there was a leak from the Ukrainian sid about this a few months ago.

BS-101 is a compact intelligence system with high performance, low weight, size and power consumption that provides aerial monitoring and surveillance of the RF spectrum. Despite the TB-2 being a tactical drone, this small embedded system is one of the reasons behind its absolute superiority over systems like the Pantsir-BUK. Here, of course, there are sub-titles such as what is meant and intended by signal intelligence. But in a nutshell the advantage of TB-2 is that it offers a scalable modular infrastructure apart from its embedded SIGINT capability for most of needs.

It may be hard to accept, but just as UAVs have negated the cost of using manned jets in some types of missions, the TB-2 has shown that tactical grade solutions can be game changers by making it unnecessary to run strategic (also lets say expensive just as manned jets) UAVs to every mission.
 
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Still expensive, you can ad to TB2 sensor like SAR radar. You can put on ANKA or Aksunger SIGIN equipments but it will not cost like that for sure.

Overpriced mine opinion.
There are other sensors. For example in Israel there are ground based sensors that can see through walls and even ground to detect tunnels for example, there are stuff you don't know exist.

The US deals probably include full sensor packages, spare parts, munitions etc.
 
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There are other sensors. For example in Israel there are ground based sensors that can see through walls and even ground to detect tunnels for example, there are stuff you don't know exist.

The US deals probably include full sensor packages, spare parts, munitions etc.


expensive, and that sensor you talking about do not excist on drone. please do not come with irrelevant argument.
 
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