The Disintegration of Rural China

[Lure]

ISIS is supported by Erdogan.

The main question here is not the ones who Erdogan supports. Does 100% of Turkish people support Erdogan? No? Then you can't stereotype a random Turkish guy with ISIS membership without actually knowing him/her.

I know a lot of extremely secular Turkish Nationalists -some of them are even practicing shamanism and refusing being a muslim because believing that original religion of Turkish people is shamanism- who dislike China because of political situations in Xinjiang.

Some Turkish Nationalists even interpret current religious climate in Turkey as an Arab imperialism. And I'm not even talking about secular people who lives not much different then the Western People.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

The main question here is not the ones who Erdogan supports. Does 100% of Turkish people support Erdogan? No? Then you can't stereotype a random Turkish guy with ISIS membership without actually knowing him/her.

I know a lot of extremely secular Turkish Nationalists -some of them are even practicing shamanism and refusing being a muslim because believing that original religion of Turkish people is shamanism- who dislike China because of political situations in Xinjiang.

I didn't say that all Turks are supporting Erdogan, neither does every German support Merkel.

But it's clear that Erdogan has his own agenda in supporting ISIS.

Xinjiang is China's internal matter, your pan turkish is leading to nowhere but more suffering to all affected people. Islamic fundamentalist Uighur terrorism must be condemned by all sane people.

 

[atatwolf]

My adv


My advice is only to atawolf as an anti-Chinese troll in the forum. ISIS has an agenda against China, so does atawolf. I have nothing against rational Turkish posters.

I'm not pro ISIS but I'm anti-China. I can't stay behind a country who commits numerous crimes against Uyghur and Tibetians. Last week 300 Uighur with their families fled to Turkey because they were threatened to be executed for being Muslim and Uighur.

 

[marbella]

if ns is corrupt that does not make whole pakistan corrupt.
btw my friend lives in izmit, i guess and she loves the place.

 

[Lure]

I didn't say that all Turks are supporting Erdogan, neither does every German support Merkel.

But it's clear that Erdogan has his own agenda in supporting ISIS.

Xinjiang is China's internal matter, your pan turkish is leading to nowhere but more suffering to all affected people. Islamic fundamentalist Uighur terrorism must be condemned by all sane people.

Pan Turkish ideology clearly does not belong to me , and I've given this as an example of secular people also might be against China and it has nothing to do with religion. And I can clearly understand from Atatwolf's nickname and avatar of why he dislikes China and this is clearly not about religion but about Turkish Nationalism.

So sterotyping him with ISIS membership will be ignorence.

If you're personaly asking me, I have nothing against Chinese people.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

Pan Turkish ideology is clearly not mine, and I've given this as an example of secular people also might be against China and it has nothing to do with religion.

If you're personaly asking me, I have nothing against Chinese people.

The Uighur problem is in fact not an ethnic problem but a problem created by religious demagogues.

One of my closest friend is a Turk, so neither from this side. He is very against Erdogan and pan-turkism.

 

[Srinivas]

This will be a best case study for India before we go for too much urbanization. Better to leave mid-size villages as is and develop good infra.

Rural India supports Urban India, This is the way India worked for 1000's of years.

The moment one ignores Rural India, they are ignoring the very back bone of the country's economy that is agriculture.

Both Urban and Rural areas needs to be given importance.

 

[marbella]

I'm not pro ISIS but I'm anti-China. I can't stay behind a country who commits numerous crimes against Uyghur and Tibetians. Last week 300 Uighur with their families fled to Turkey because they were threatened to be executed for being Muslim and Uighur.

sometime ppl migrate with their own choices blaming it on govt.
i found a group of ismailis( agakhanis) from india seeking refuge in europe due to insecurity they feel in india. its hard for even indian muslim to get legalised with the excuse of insecurity under refugee act. those guys were agakhanis....

 

[atatwolf]

if ns is corrupt that does not make whole pakistan corrupt.
btw my friend lives in izmit, i guess and she loves the place.

There are a lot of Spanish people doing their erasmus in Istanbul. I met couple of Spanish people and hanged out with them. They make good food .

 

[Lure]

The Uighur problem is in fact not an ethnic problem but a problem created by religious demagogues.

One of my closest friend is a Turk, so neither from this side. He is very against Erdogan and pan-turkism.

No not really. As I've told you before both conservatives and nationalists do have some sympathy for people living in Xinjiang but for different reasons. Conservatives are talking about their religion more and Nationalists are talking about their ethnic identity more.

Not every nationalist is religious in Turkey. Your "one" Turkish friend should have told you that.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

No not really. As I've told you before both conservatives and nationalists do have some sympathy for people living in Xinjiang but for different reasons. Conservatives are talking about their religion more and Nationalists are talking about their ethnic identity more.

Not every nationalist is religious in Turkey. Your "one" Turkish friend should have told you that.

My Turkish friend is neither nationalist nor religious, he even eats pork.

but you have to understand the core of the problems of the Uighurs which is not ethnic at all but religious in nature which of course affect the ethnic. Once the religious extremism is eliminated, the ethnic tension will be solved as well but not the other way around.

 

[atatwolf]

For China being Muslim is being a terrorist. You can also notice this attitude from Chinese members here. It also has nothing to do with pan-Turkism. If you invade a land. Strip away their rights. Occupy them and terrorize them. Everybody would have the same reaction. People need to develop some sympathy but Chinese culture doesn't have this quality. That is why authoritarian rule of Beijing in bound to fail. Rigid communist model will only work for so long. They had their best time behind them.

 

[Lure]

My Turkish friend is neither nationalist nor religious, he even eats pork.

but you have to understand the core of the problems of the Uighurs which is not ethnic at all but religious in nature which of course affect the ethnic. Once the religious extremism is eliminated, the ethnic tension will be solved as well but not the other way around.

You might have some point but as far as I know the matter China has Hui people who are muslim and they have no problem with them. Besides these ethnic tensions between Turkish and Chinese people goes back pre-Islamic times. So it is more complicated to explain only by religion.

China's closest ally Pakistan is a very religious Muslim country after all. Pakistan has a higher percentage of religious people then Turkey yet still China and Pakistan can be very good friends.

By the way eating pork only makes your friend not religious. You don't need to be in Germany to eat pork. I know tons of restaurants in Istanbul that serves pork and Turkish people eat it. Here in Turkey.

 

[atatwolf]

You might have some point but as far as I know the matter China has Hui people who are muslim and they have no problem with them. Besides these ethnic tensions between Turkish and Chinese people goes back pre-Islamic times. So it is more complicated to explain only by religion.

China's closest ally Pakistan is a very religious Muslim country after all. Pakistan has a higher percentage of religious people then Turkey yet still China and Pakistan can be very good friends.

By the way eating pork only makes your friend not religious. You don't need to be in Germany to eat pork. I know tons of restaurants in Istanbul that serves pork and Turkish people eat it. Here in Turkey.

What has eating pork to do with anything? You have to eat pork to be liked and accepted by Europeans? Europeans are no gods. Stop comparing yourself and wanting to be like them. Also Turkish people don't eat pork. Only small minority does who are Christian(in Istanbul). It is totally irrelevant to this topic.

 

[xenon54 out]

One of my closest friend is a Turk, so neither from this side. He is very against Erdogan and pan-turkism.

Do you also call him a Turkey that needs to be stuffed?

I guess we should call all Germans Nazis whose only function is to gas Jews, seems like its the new standart in forum...