The Difference Between Muslims and Sikhs.. Misses the Point

[A1Kaid]

Is it worse than Pakistani men in USA posing as Indians after 9/11.. This guy was atleast not lying about not being a muslim

I've never heard of that and never personally witnessed any Pakistani doing that, I've only read that in the article which I had doubts about because if it is happening it is really exaggerated but you guys don't live here to know better than that, so I don't expect you to know the ground reality.

 

[Contrarian]

I find it amusing that how is it the sikhs fault for saying they are not Muslims? They decry the fact that globally Muslims are increasingly thought of as being terrorists.
Yet they never look inside their own religions or communitys to find out why that is so? Surely terrorism has no religion but why is it that a ridiculously large number of terrorists are Muslims? When you ask these questions pat comes the reply that Islam is a religion of.peace and 'some'people are misusing Islam...my friends all religions of the world are religions of peace. What is the rest of the world to see and blame when terrorist after terrorists turns out to be a muslim. The fact that this killer also wanted a perverted version of 'revenge' for 9/11 shows that he was after Muslim as well.

Instead of asking the rest of the world to ignore these issues of some Muslims why don't the good people or the real Muslims take effective steps to prevent other fake.Muslims from harassing the world...that would change the global perception much more than harping on why are the sikhs deliberately pointing out that they are not Muslims.

 

[Contrarian]

I find it amusing that how is it the sikhs fault for saying they are not Muslims? They decry the fact that globally Muslims are increasingly thought of as being terrorists.
Yet they never look inside their own religions or communitys to find out why that is so? Surely terrorism has no religion but why is it that a ridiculously large number of terrorists are Muslims? When you ask these questions pat comes the reply that Islam is a religion of.peace and 'some'people are misusing Islam...my friends all religions of the world are religions of peace. What is the rest of the world to see and blame when terrorist after terrorists turns out to be a muslim. The fact that this killer also wanted a perverted version of 'revenge' for 9/11 shows that he was after Muslim as well.

Instead of asking the rest of the world to ignore these issues of some Muslims why don't the good people or the real Muslims take effective steps to prevent other fake.Muslims from harassing the world...that would change the global perception much more than harping on why are the sikhs deliberately pointing out that they are not Muslims.

 

[vsdoc]

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[Contrarian]

I've never heard of that and never personally witnessed any Pakistani doing that, I've only read that in the article which I had doubts about because if it is happening it is really exaggerated but you guys don't live here to know better than that, so I don't expect you to know the ground reality.

my friend you are blind to reality is you didn't know that many Pakistani people have claimed to be Indian not just in US but also in Europe to avoid problems.

 

[A1Kaid]

my friend you are blind to reality is you didn't know that many Pakistani people have claimed to be Indian not just in US but also in Europe to avoid problems.

I don't think so, I honestly think it is exaggerated. What constitutes as "many" and if there are many I certainly haven't personally heard of or witnessed anything like that happening in any major city I've visited or lived in. I think I know the ground reality better than you considering I actually live on this ground and experience the reality (no offense).

Only time I learned of this was from the article, and I personally doubt the article because as I've mentioned before if it is happening then it really is being exaggerated, just like you exaggerated it in the beginning of your post "many". Reality is its not many it's barely it's rare if it is happening...

 

[karan.1970]

I don't think so, I honestly think it is exaggerated. What constitutes as "many" and if they are many I certainly haven't personally heard of or witnessed anything like that happening in any major city I've visited to or lived in. I think I know the ground reality better than you considering I actually live on this ground and experience the reality.

Have you personally seen the Allah or his prophet (PBUH)? You still believe in them .. Dont you.. ???

 

[A1Kaid]

Have you personally seen the Allah or his prophet (PBUH)? You still believe in them .. Dont you.. ???

We're discussing matters related to the physical realm, the empirical domain.


Edit: The belief in a deity is left to faith, a matter of this nature is empirical.

 

[Contrarian]

Can you do a count on this mate? Even one is too many, it shouldn't have to come to this..for Americans who might discriminate and for Pakistani establishment because of whose acts it has led to this.

 

[Manas]

Philosophy aside ,the urge to familiarize Sikh religion to wider American public is also caused by the fear that Sikhs are misidentified sometimes as Muslims by the perpetrators of hate crimes. That fear is valid.

In the world of 9/11 and war on terror ,nobody can deny identity does plays a role in the american society .In that context its better If average american can differentiate between a turban wearing sikh and tuban wearing Taliban .

 

[A1Kaid]

Can you do a count on this mate? Even one is too many, it shouldn't have to come to this..for Americans who might discriminate and for Pakistani establishment because of whose acts it has led to this.

it shouldn't have to come to this

And it doesn't.


I have already explained to you my opinion on this and you've explained to me your belief that "many" do this and your version f the reality primarily based on the article. That is fine you're entitled to your opinion. I honestly think it is exaggerated and if it is happening it is rare because some individuals with little dignity and sense may do that, they don't represent "many" not the majority. Therefore, I'm not interested in going back and forth with you on this.


Good healthy discussion, take care.

 

[S_O_C_O_M]

Don't tell me Muslims didn't do the same during partition.

His brain works on single wavelength so it carefully forgets his own misdeeds.

You both speak WITHOUT merit.

MAJORITY killed during partition were Muslims who were leaving to their newly created country Pakistan. And the killers were hindus and sikhs. Yet the cowardly indian historians like to portray they suffered the most losses.

 

[MandarK]

You both speak WITHOUT merit.

MAJORITY killed during partition were Muslims who were leaving to their newly created country Pakistan. And the killers were hindus and sikhs. Yet the cowardly indian historians like to portray they suffered the most losses.

The state of pakistan was created out of the areas which had Muslim majority. By looking at the Indian Muslim Population which stayed in India, it can be inferred that Muslim Migration from India to pakistan was not that big.

 

[INDIC]

MAJORITY killed during partition were Muslims who were leaving to their newly created country Pakistan. And the killers were hindus and sikhs. Yet the cowardly indian historians like to portray they suffered the most losses.

That's half-baked truth.

 

[Not Sure]

My entire family hates India. This is not out of them being hindu or any religion. They massacred many innocent people and my family included. I can,never stop hatibg Indian people. I despise Indians. I despise them for murdering my family. I am a Pakistani but will never hurt an Indian child. I openly despise Indians. I want justice, becausr even after the tears I see in my grandmother's eyes, she never hated Indians. But i hate them. All of them.

Does your grandmother hate Indians with the same intensity that you do? She is perhaps the one who lived through the pain of partition, not you, yet I bet you hate Indians more than she does.

Don't you think she knows the world better than you do?

Perhaps it will not work, but I have decided to give it a try...

"Hatred will kill you more than it will hurt others". Your hatred will kill you a hundred times every moment, and chances are, you will understand it when it is already too late and you are too old.

You are young, and hot blooded, so of course your blood must boil very quickly. But you have no idea what hatred does to your body and mind. After a while, the damage becomes irreversible.

If possible, please do remember, Gandhi and Jinnah did not hate anyone. They were pained by the losses of partition more than any of us. I hope you understand that they were better aware of the situation & right than you are.

In the end, if you won't give up on this hatred, then you become just another example of those countless families where an argument or just one misdeed leads to the deaths of many young ones in the later generations.
Pity, those who actually kill and die are never directly related to the actions that lead to such disasters.