The defeat of the Afghan government sparks debates across Taiwan about if Taiwan will become the same

[FairAndUnbiased]

Well not all countries in Europe agree with it. Most of the Greeks,Serbs,Montenegrins,Cypriots and other Orthodox and non-Orthodox countries are pro-Russian,but the governments you see...


That was in the 1940s man,it's 2021 now. They have their own country,you have a MASSIVE country of your own,it's not worth going to a big war and destroying relations with the entire area for that.
Anyway,we won't agree on this. I'm not anti-Chinese,I don't want you to think that. I am though against an invasion of Taiwan. Don't take me for anti-Chinese.

why does Greece still want revenge on Turkey despite Ottoman Empire being a century ago? Even today Greece and Turkey have been on the verge of war since the 1970's over Cyprus. Same thing here.

 

[Foinikas]

why does Greece still want revenge on Turkey despite Ottoman Empire being a century ago?

We don't want revenge,we're trying to co-exist. The Turks will disagree,but their governments have been making that hard from time to time.

Even today Greece and Turkey have been on the verge of war since the 1970's over Cyprus. Same thing here.

But it's not the same,it's a different situation.

 

[flowerfan2020]

We don't want revenge,we're trying to co-exist. The Turks will disagree,but their governments have been making that hard from time to time.


But it's not the same,it's a different situation.

We don't like waste my time with you in the forum, it make no difference. Taiwan will have to unit to China, period. You may just mind your own business.

 

[gambit]

The PLAN naval buildup is already happening. 20 destroyers were launched in the past 10 years with another batch of 16 on its way.

What is Taiwan doing about it? Nothing.

They don't have the blue water assets to contest sea control around Taiwan.

Interesting how you keep talking about amphibious this, amphibious that as if the blue water assets don't matter.

China cannot defeat Taiwan without an amphibious landing. You do not have the resources for a yrs long island blockade.

 

[Globenim]

The top General of the US Armed Forces clearly states the Chinese don’t have the capability to invade and defeat Taiwan. And he has far more intelligence and insight than anyone on US, Chinese, and Taiwanese military capabilities.

They same airbag that called Afghanistan a success story last year and just admitted his "far more intelligence and insight" failed to predict the pace of the almost instantious liberation of Afghanistan from the U.S. puppet regime forces? That his superior also declared impossible a few weeks ago and scoffed at?

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

China cannot defeat Taiwan without an amphibious landing. You do not have the resources for a yrs long island blockade.

Sure there is. PLAAF has proven that it can sortie 20-30 strike, fighter and support planes simultaneously with no warning in peacetime, and that Taiwan is unable to respond in kind. PLAN is likely to be able to do the same with blue water assets that are far out of range of Taiwanese weapons but can hold Taiwan at risk with cruise missiles.

A Desert Storm type campaign to destroy Taiwanese air force, navy and economic infrastructure is likely. An all out missile, air and naval attack targeting their air defenses, political targets and infrastructure (airports, harbors, fabs, data centers, power, oil refineries, bridges) is likely to be crippling to Taiwan, given that Desert Storm crippled Iraq and the PLAAF has far more precision guided munitions today than the US did in Desert Storm.

 

[pikkuboss]

I always think that Indians with an average IQ of 82 are subspecies Homo sapiens. I'm not interested in chatting with you. I suggest you go to the zoo to find a chimpanzee. The chimpanzee has an IQ of 83, and its body is stronger than Indians. If there were a billion chimpanzees, they might win one gold medals in the Olympic Games.

Hit a nerve or what? Mama's only child.

 

[gambit]

Sure there is. PLAAF has proven that it can sortie 20-30 strike, fighter and support planes simultaneously with no warning in peacetime, and that Taiwan is unable to respond in kind. PLAN is likely to be able to do the same with blue water assets that are far out of range of Taiwanese weapons but can hold Taiwan at risk with cruise missiles.

A Desert Storm type campaign to destroy Taiwanese air force, navy and economic infrastructure is likely. An all out missile, air and naval attack targeting their air defenses, political targets and infrastructure (airports, harbors, fabs, data centers, power, oil refineries, bridges) is likely to be crippling to Taiwan, given that Desert Storm crippled Iraq and the PLAAF has far more precision guided munitions today than the US did in Desert Storm.

Which part of 'no surprise' did you missed?

The reason why the Desert Storm air campaign was successful was because the coalition destroyed Iraqi border radars. China will not have that advantage due to the proximity of the island. If you can see them, they can see you.

Here is what you do not understand...

The PLAAF cannot attack Taiwanese targets en masse. This is not the movies. As each flight of missiles or manned aircraft engage the targets, as long as Taiwanese defense hit 1/4, but more likely 1/3, of the attacking force, the next planned attack will be modified or even aborted. Take manned fighter-bombers for now. Each 4-ship flight must coordinate with the other flights as to who go in first and from which direction. After the munitions are dropped, the next flight must wait essentially for the dust to clear before it can engage the target. And if the previous flight took losses, the next flight must alter its approach or even must abort. China and Taiwan are technological peers, unlike Desert Storm where the US had the advantage, and the PLAAF will take losses, and as losses mount, those quantity of PGM will not do any good.

 

[Beny Karachun]

They can try but their communication, command, power, radar, etc. will be targeted. So will their civilian infrastructure like TSMC.

The population can be handled Palestinian style. Is.rael was a great inspiration on how to manage hostile civilians.



Doesn't matter. They're occupying Chinese land. If they don't want to join China they can emigrate just like Afghans are doing. What, you think harsh rhetoric is an effective weapon?

Israel is not dealing with the Palestinians correctly believe me. Don't compare Taiwanese and Palestinians, there's a thousand years of evolution sepetating between them

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Which part of 'no surprise' did you missed?

The reason why the Desert Storm air campaign was successful was because the coalition destroyed Iraqi border radars. China will not have that advantage due to the proximity of the island. If you can see them, they can see you.

Here is what you do not understand...

The PLAAF cannot attack Taiwanese targets en masse. This is not the movies. As each flight of missiles or manned aircraft engage the targets, as long as Taiwanese defense hit 1/4, but more likely 1/3, of the attacking force, the next planned attack will be modified or even aborted. Take manned fighter-bombers for now. Each 4-ship flight must coordinate with the other flights as to who go in first and from which direction. After the munitions are dropped, the next flight must wait essentially for the dust to clear before it can engage the target. And if the previous flight took losses, the next flight must alter its approach or even must abort. China and Taiwan are technological peers, unlike Desert Storm where the US had the advantage, and the PLAAF will take losses, and as losses mount, those quantity of PGM will not do any good.

The surprise is in a first strike against their radar just like in Desert Storm using cruise missiles and ballistic missiles. The only warning they'll get is the 5-10 minutes of a ballistic missile flight... or nothing if they fail to detect low flying cruise missiles.

Taiwan is not a technological peer. They don't have AESA equipped destroyers with VLS, modern subs, a global satellite system, AESA equipped AWACs, a global satellite constellation, etc. They have no means of even touching PLAN destroyers or subs launching cruise missiles at their early warning radars and fixed air defenses.

 

[Han Patriot]

China is typically still communist. It's called "The People's Republic of China" and still exalts Mao and his comrades.One-Party rule,State atheism,repression of media in varying levels etc.
Before you call me "numb numb",ask yourself: Do the people of Taiwan want to be "liberated" by you? Do they want to unify with you?

China consists of Taiwan and the rest of the mainland as per constitution of BOTH rival governments genius. Now let me call you genius since your brain can't comprehend facts. Typically? Wtf does that even mean? Communism is an economic concept where the wealth of the nation is evenly distributed, you DON'T HAVE BILLIONAIRES in Communist countries unless all are billionaires, understand? North Korea is known as Democratic People's Republic, So? Taiwan stil venerates Chianh kaishek, and he is also a dictator...... Do you see your numb numbness now?

Re-establish the Republic and the 1947 constitution on the mainland!

I don't mind actually, my family was mostly KMT ultras. KMT fought for a united strong China. They were true republicans, the snowflakes in Taiwan were mostly Jap brainwashed Taidus.

 

[Foinikas]

China consists of Taiwan and the rest of the mainland as per constitution of BOTH rival governments genius. Now let me call you genius since your brain can't comprehend facts. Typically? Wtf does that even mean? Communism is an economic concept where the wealth of the nation is evenly distributed, you DON'T HAVE BILLIONAIRES in Communist countries unless all are billionaires, understand? North Korea is known as Democratic People's Republic, So? Taiwan stil venerates Chianh kaishek, and he is also a dictator...... Do you see your numb numbness now?

First,try to talk in a civilized manner.
Second,what exactly is the official system of government in China right now? Do you or do you not have a communist one-party rule? One country,two systems,but what's the rule? You said both countries claim one another. They're not the ones threatening with conquering the mainland though,you are the ones who want to attack them.
You are the aggressor here.

 

[Han Patriot]

First,try to talk in a civilized manner.
Second,what exactly is the official system of government in China right now? Do you or do you not have a communist one-party rule? One country,two systems,but what's the rule? You said both countries claim one another. They're not the ones threatening with conquering the mainland though,you are the ones who want to attack them.
You are the aggressor here.

Numb numb is pretty gentle mate, I didn't call you an idiot right. It has a hint of endearment too. Lol.
China is officially an technovratuc authoratarian government with limited form of democracy at the top, meaning they do vote but it is concentrated to the few thousand representative. Technocratic because the people at the top rose through merit and most are scientist or engineers by training. In the US its the opposite, they are run by lawyers. The difference is stark as China can execute policies better, America can promise policies.

I told you a 100x, China is only communist in name, it is more similar to Singapore than Soviets. Imagine a Singapore which is less efficient, hyper nationalistic, militarily more powerful and richer.

They? What happened in the US civil war? The southern states wanted independence, but the constitution did not allow for a devolution. Taiwan is a province in China, we are fighting a civil war now, did you know up till the 60s,the official policy of the KMT was to reconquer the mainland? If US let's California or Texas be independent, then you can come talk to me. Else... It's just bullshit.

 

[MH.Yang]

China cannot defeat Taiwan without an amphibious landing. You do not have the resources for a yrs long island blockade.

China doesn't need to land. China only needs to do two things.
1. Expand nuclear weapons to 2000.
2. The Navy will continue to expand fourfold until it exceeds twice that of the USA.
For the rest, the USA Military industrial complex will help us complete it.

 

[HalfMoon]

Taiwan is a different story. Afghanistan is not worth to defend, Taiwan is. Afghanistan has nothing in terms of economic value while TW has everything. Biden bluntly says it, the strategic goal of the US in Hindukusch is to fight terrorism not nation building.

Do know how many trillions of dollars worth of minerals and rare earth metals that Afghanistan has? Taiwan would never be able compete with Afghanistan.

China will take Taiwan around 2050. By then US is minority white and weak and China has 10+ carrier battle groups.

2050 is too far away. It will be 2025 or earlier.