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The Danger of Chinese Arrogance

not true. you don't see threads here because this is a defense forum. Chinese mainland cultural products are also booming. from novels to TVs to films, ask any young HKer or Taiwanese, they'll know what i'm saying.
you really need to learn Chinese..... it's an entire different world of entertainment waiting for you to explore.
China has done really well and most likely will continue to do so. Some countries have been over critical of Chinese govt. Reason I guess Chinese are thought of as arrogant is 1. They have border issues. Some countries are lucky enough to have clear non contentious borders but China due to its size, number of neighbours and other reasons inherited some border issues. For example Indians do not have any issue with China except for border problems. Quite unlikely that we will have a very positive view of china till border issues are resolved. Same is true for few other countries. Now even if it does something in SCS people in India think that it is being arrogant.
2. China might be more capitalist than communist now but name is still communist party. And west will always have some propaganda against Communist.
3. Chinese people seem to be very aggressive against any criticism. They usually blindly dismiss it and seem arrogant.
 
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No, it is totally different. If you remove modern day western influence. Thais are basically pseudo Chinese who diverged. Then they adopted a lot of Indian culture and influences. As far as genetics is concerned, you are hell lot closer to Chinese, and as much close to Indians, as to Iranians, Europeans. So you are Chinese, who strayed far, and diverged from the main stock. And then picked some Indian elements, especially cultural and religious aspects.

Not only this, there has always been genetic mixing. 12% of the modern day Thais (including the Shinawatra family) are recognized Chinese descendants who are just a century old immigrants. Around half of the Thais have Chinese genes going back to 4-5 centuries. And the thais nevertheless originated also from the same stock. I recognize it will be hard to understand without a basic knowledge of Genetics. Compared to that, you had minimal admixing with Indians.
I thought we are talking about culture. ? Or cultures are DNA embedded?
 
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Lets get down to some basic facts here first and then we can expound on the reasons here and everything:

1. China was at a height during the reign of Qianlong Emperor.
2. The people living under chinese reign composed of 1/4 of the global population and 1/3 of its GDP.
3. During the Qianlong Emperor, China (as far as I know) had more monetary reserves (at that time gold and silver) than the rest of the world combined.
4. China had vassal relationship with Korea and other states, with exclusive relations. The above figures don't include this.
5. China missed the industrial revolution
6. Today, share of population of China in global population has come down from 30% at one time, to under 19%.
7. Though the GDP share of China has risen to approximately 13%, it is nowhere near 35% that it once enjoyed.

8. It finds itself strategically isolated in the world. (Yes, having Pakistan and North Korea, the latter a shit hole on earth, and former a sovereign country with questionable administration and exercise of sovereignty over their own land, doesn't count. For all, it is just credibility beater.)

Name one actual ally India have, Russia doesn't count, because to you only American UK relationship are alliances. The kind 100% would come to your aid.

This is not bring India into it, but based on your own experience, what is an ally.

China doesn't have any strategic allies, not NK or Pakistan, we have good friends and better ones.

China is the most visited country by foreign leaders, and has business relationships all over the world. To say China is isolated is easy, but is that really the truth? Dig a bit deeper and you will see we are not as isolated as you think.

Plus we are the biggest trade nation, that helps.

9. China has been infiltrated psychologically so much that instead of assimilating more people, it is finding hard to keep people together which were a part of it for thousands of years. Dissent is happening within its core territory of Tibet, HK and Taiwan.

The problem is China's wealth, you think if Taiwan and HK was reversed and in India's lap it be better with the "soft power?"

Not a slant on India, but just a FYI, all poor countries are bad to them. It'll be fixed soon, as we become richer and richer, the push back will be more, but as soon as hope of regaining their place as richer than us, that will be over.

For Tibet, you won't believe me, but there's a reason Lama has failed so miserably for so long.

10. China has not been able to make reapproachment with any of the countries that were its extended territory initially.

Say what, if you mean make them vassals again, that's not how it works now. If you mean good relations, Korea China relations is all time high, Vietnam needs work.


11. China still lags way behind in Hard Core technology, research and development. China is behind countries like Germany (even switzerland in some areas)in the impact its work has on science

Again, you need to wake up and smell the coffee, everybody's good at something, even American DDG-1000 uses Royce engines. Germany is not ahead of China in all fields, or even most fields.

12. Chinese culture and soft power is non-existent. Rather it can be considered negative.

Nobody but US have any of that, or one of the old imperial powers. Even Japan. India is not better, India at most is the same place as China, except China is now in the role of international spy and sophisticated enemy in Western movies and rich business leaders willing to tilt the favor in Korean movies.

Don't say bollywood, cause nobody outside of overseas Indians or Indians watches it. I only mentioned India cause you did.

Please forgive me for being so direct, even provocative, but I'm being frank and honest.
Honest, maybe, frank possibly, fact? Hardly.
 
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Here you are wrong.
Yes, china is still poor, but it is still the 2nd largest economy in the world. And culture works in totally different way compared to economics. Let's see one good determinant that is the homegrown movie industry, and mind you, I'm talking about the movie industry and not about movie market.

China's movie industry is pedestal! You can check it anywhere.

The only thing in which India is ahead of China is in soft power base. You see India is like China in many ways, only smaller. We have got huge diversity in languages etc. Initially there were many secessionist movements, but using good political and social tools, and negotiating compromises, we have solved many many problems. The Indian north-east which historically had nothing to do with India, and was in effect a gift by Britishers to India (North-East except Assam is inhabited by mongloid race people) had huge problems, but now a lot of people have successfully assimilated. We have created a vibrant civil society etc.

China is the opposite. If China had done what India had done, It would literally have incorporated the whole of IndoChina, Japan, Korea, Mongolia. But it didn't.

This is the flaw of Chinese system. It doesn't focus on civil society etc. One of the reasons of this is that present Chinese system is the result of a civil war, which in effect hasn't completely ended. Diverse views are not favored in the system. The "modern" system of soft-power (and I emphasize it is modern and not western) requires diversity, and tolerance. When you go against the civil society they act against your interest rather than in your interest. This makes the Chinese government more scared and more repressive.

Also, while the overall satisfaction levels in China are quite high, higher than anywhere in the world, satisfaction levels do not equal acceptance. There are scores of Chinese who want more open society, rule of law, independent media etc. It may not be a priority now, doesn't mean that the demand doesn't exist. I will get to you with figures shortly.

But this total absence of soft-power, of civil society worries me a lot about China's future.

Also, the people who are here, the Chinese nationalists, I would like to urge you to be the "right" nationalists. The perfect nationalist is the one who is completely, with his heart and mind, for the country, yet never leaves a chance to criticise, complain and better his country. Please accept sincere criticism.

You've made some good points, but you're dead wrong on Chinese soft power, particularly Chinese movies.

Chinese films have a huge international following in art-house circle. Chinese have won best picture, best actor & actress, best director, best screenplay... in every major film awards, including the most prestigious, Cannes Film.
Zhang Yimou, Chen Kaige, Ge You, Jia Zhangke, Wong KarWai.......

If you talked about popular movie, we literally created a movie genre of its own, Wuxia. Many Chinese actors became international superstar. Chinese choreographers did most of Hollywood blockbusters, e.g. Matrix. Renowned Chinese directors made it to Hollywood. Even Chinese movies are re-make into American movies, one even won the Oscar, The Departed. No other Asian country comes close. Certainly not Bollywood.


Overall soft power, cultural influence, I failed to see how India tops China.

1) Chinese one of the most popular foreign language in US and EU, despite being a very difficult language

2) You can't Chinese martial arts school in every of the world. Many even travelled to China for specialized training. Shaolin and Wutang now completely cater to foreigners.

3) Chinese food in every corner of the world.

4) Chinese art -- Have a look at who's who's in the art scene.

5) China attracts 55 million tourists and students each year, despite being a non-democratic country with no freedom. You don't pull in that number if there's no liking for your country or culture.
 
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You've made some good points, but you're dead wrong on Chinese soft power, particularly Chinese movies.

Chinese films have a huge international following in art-house circle. Chinese have won best picture, best actor & actress, best director, best screenplay... in every major film awards, including the most prestigious, Cannes Film.
Zhang Yimou, Chen Kaige, Ge You, Jia Zhangke, Wong KarWai.......

If you talked about popular movie, we literally created a movie genre of its own, Wuxia. Many Chinese actors became international superstar. Chinese choreographers did most of Hollywood blockbusters, e.g. Matrix. Renowned Chinese directors made it to Hollywood. Even Chinese movies are re-make into American movies, one even won the Oscar, The Departed. No other Asian country comes close. Certainly not Bollywood.


Overall soft power, cultural influence, I also failed to see how India tops China.

1) Chinese one of the most popular foreign language in US and EU, despite being a very difficult language

2) You can't Chinese martial arts school in every of the world. Many even travelled to China for specialized training. Shaolin and Wutang now completely cater to foreigners.

3) Chinese food is so popular, every corner of the world.

4) Chinese art -- Have a look at who's who's in the art scene.

5) China attracts 55 million tourists and students each year, despite being a non-democratic country with no freedom. You don't pull in that number if there's no liking for your country or culture.

Before, Japan was capable to rival China's soft power with their video game industry.

However, the Japanese video game industry is now in the decline and loses all its momentum to its western counterpart.
 
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I thought we are talking about culture. ? Or cultures are DNA embedded?

They are not DNA embedded in the literal sense, but yes it is a fact that societies with closer genetic connections, have closer cultural histories. The whole DNA thing comes from the fact, that the more recent the two people diverge, the more similar histories they have. Hence, if you are related by blood connections, you also carry continuous cultural traits. Example- Language.

Name one actual ally India have, Russia doesn't count, because to you only American UK relationship are alliances. The kind 100% would come to your aid.

This is not bring India into it, but based on your own experience, what is an ally.

China doesn't have any strategic allies, not NK or Pakistan, we have good friends and better ones.

By isolation I meant friends or foes. India has only one sworn enemy - Pakistan. It has major adverserial relationship with China, and unfriendly relationship with Sri Lanka. There are some tensions with Bangladesh as well, but overall we have many friends in Bangla. Being democratic, we sit in the ideological coalition of the west and liberal countries. Japan, Russia and US are major friends.
Compared to that, China has more enemies. The public image perception can tell you that.​



China is the most visited country by foreign leaders, and has business relationships all over the world. To say China is isolated is easy, but is that really the truth? Dig a bit deeper and you will see we are not as isolated as you think.

Plus we are the biggest trade nation, that helps.

I am sorry, I should have been more careful with words. It is not really isolation that you I'm talking about. The isolation here is meant to tell the perception of country in their neighbourhood etc. You also face an ideological isolation, and if everything was equal, the west would choose India over China.​

The problem is China's wealth, you think if Taiwan and HK was reversed and in India's lap it be better with the "soft power?"

Not a slant on India, but just a FYI, all poor countries are bad to them. It'll be fixed soon, as we become richer and richer, the push back will be more, but as soon as hope of regaining their place as richer than us, that will be over.

For Tibet, you won't believe me, but there's a reason Lama has failed so miserably for so long.

For HK and Taiwan. Yes, part of the problem is wealth. But a larger part is ideological, and spiritual gap between people. Had it only been wealth, why would then the HK problem worsen in the recent years? HK identity is getting stronger and stronger, and Chinese identity is weakening there. Also, you people are totally weak in explaining your situation to the rest of the world. Do I think India would have dealt with both the issues in a much better way? Yes. Actually wealth is a very good way to isolate people and gain support. Everyone likes to go after rich guys. India has already proven immense assimilation potential by building an Indian identity where there was none. Democracies, which by their definition involve public opinion and image, are much better in soft-power and creating common identity.​

Say what, if you mean make them vassals again, that's not how it works now. If you mean good relations, Korea China relations is all time high, Vietnam needs work.

Korea-China. Yes. I am not asking you to make them vassals again. I am asking you to make them the modern equivalent of vassals. The kind of relationship US has with Canada. Is your relationship that strong? No way near. And relationship with Vietnam, Japan and Philippines is altogether a different story.​


Again, you need to wake up and smell the coffee, everybody's good at something, even American DDG-1000 uses Royce engines. Germany is not ahead of China in all fields, or even most fields.



Nobody but US have any of that, or one of the old imperial powers. Even Japan. India is not better, India at most is the same place as China, except China is now in the role of international spy and sophisticated enemy in Western movies and rich business leaders willing to tilt the favor in Korean movies.

Don't say bollywood, cause nobody outside of overseas Indians or Indians watches it. I only mentioned India cause you did.

Wait I'm writing a post about that. I will prove to you that by many metrics Bollywood and other Indian cinemas are better than Chinese mainland one. (not including HK, because while HK comes under China technically, it still can't be counted completely. And since, we are talking about soft-power issues of systems, we must focus on cinema that has been brought up in Chinese system.)​

Honest, maybe, frank possibly, fact? Hardly.

Name the fact that you disagree with after my clarifications. Leave for a while that Bollywood one, I will prove that later. Apart from that which don't you agree with.​

I have replied to your post above.
My replies are indented to the right.
 
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When China is the world's largest exporter with over $2.2 trillion in annual exports, that's Chinese soft power.

The World Factbook

When China surpasses the US as the world's largest trading nation, that's Chinese soft power.

China Eclipses U.S. as Biggest Trading Nation - Bloomberg

When China has $4 trillion in forex reserves, that's Chinese soft power.

What should China buy with its $3.9 trillion reserves? - MarketWatch

When Russia signs a $400 billion gas deal with China to counter Western sanctions, that's Chinese soft power.

China, Russia sign $400 billion gas deal - The Washington Post

When Russia thinks China is their best friend, that's Chinese soft power.

Russians Think US Their No.1 Enemy, China Main Friend | InSerbia News

When Russia abandons the dollar and signs a $25 billion currency swap with China, that's Chinese soft power.

China, Russia sign $25 billion local currency swap| Reuters

When China creates its own World Bank, that's Chinese soft power.

The Economist explains: Why China is creating a new "World Bank" for Asia | The Economist
 
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Learning Chinese. Hopefully by the end of this year, that problem will be solved. I have also done sincere effort to separate propaganda from facts. There are also many English language sites and blogs that give chinese perspective.
Why try so hard to understand China?I think Chinese is too hard for u foreigner without language enviorment and one year may be far from enough.

If you eventually make it my suggestion is to read our middle school textbooks of history、Chinese language(and maybe politics).This means helped me alot to understand the west.What i can tell u in short is that almost every Chinese, likes or dislikes our govt, believes we SHOULD be the best.Everyone criticises govt,if ever, with the best things he can find from other countries in certain fields.

As for territory disputes, they have been existing for decades, at least we never claim new territory after we are somewhat stronger.Also we will never be as arrogant as the US, "American Exceptionalism" means more than what is was today.
 
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You've made some good points, but you're dead wrong on Chinese soft power, particularly Chinese movies.

Chinese films have a huge international following in art-house circle. Chinese have won best picture, best actor & actress, best director, best screenplay... in every major film awards, including the most prestigious, Cannes Film.
Zhang Yimou, Chen Kaige, Ge You, Jia Zhangke, Wong KarWai.......

If you talked about popular movie, we literally created a movie genre of its own, Wuxia. Many Chinese actors became international superstar. Chinese choreographers did most of Hollywood blockbusters, e.g. Matrix. Renowned Chinese directors made it to Hollywood. Even Chinese movies are re-make into American movies, one even won the Oscar, The Departed. No other Asian country comes close. Certainly not Bollywood.


Overall soft power, cultural influence, I failed to see how India tops China.

1) Chinese one of the most popular foreign language in US and EU, despite being a very difficult language

2) You can't Chinese martial arts school in every of the world. Many even travelled to China for specialized training. Shaolin and Wutang now completely cater to foreigners.

3) Chinese food in every corner of the world.

4) Chinese art -- Have a look at who's who's in the art scene.

5) China attracts 55 million tourists and students each year, despite being a non-democratic country with no freedom. You don't pull in that number if there's no liking for your country or culture.


1. Language is largely a result of economic need, cultural attraction, and religious and other use.
Economic need ofcourse, but that has nothing to do with soft-power. All the westerners posted in China by western media know chinese, but you know how antagonistic they are. Also, Chinese language is beautiful, no doubt. But that is due to historical richness, not the richness of today's China. You are just capitalizing on the work of your ancestors.

2. Not today's culture. Capitalizing on past culture. Also made famous largely by HK movies of the British Era. Jackie Chen, Bruce Lee, Jet Li, all HK actors grown up in British system. Here I'm not talking about the capability of Chinese people, who are incredibly talented. I am talking about systems, and my argument is that until there is a more open system, not necessarily democratic, culture won't flourish that much.

3. Past culture. Helped my huge Chinese immigration to all countries.

4. It is only big in likes of Sotherby's etc. where people buy old art at huge prices. Again old cultural glory. Rather some of the best known modern Chinese artists like Ai Weiwei are in prison.

5. Even I am looking to visit. But again it is cultural tradition. Your incredible cultural traditions. Tell me successes of today. I never said there is no liking of your culture, I am saying that you are not producing any more culture.


Also, even in these things, your opponents and even enemies have embraced Chinese culture, yet rejected China. Just see HK. They love Chinese culture, but many think China is not the same. Your Government is not seen by many as the true representation of Chinese history and culture by many. It is also hard to argue when the whole Cultural Revolution was about erasing your beautiful culture.

When China is the world's largest exporter with over $2.2 trillion in annual exports, that's Chinese soft power.

The World Factbook

When China surpasses the US as the world's largest trading nation, that's Chinese soft power.

China Eclipses U.S. as Biggest Trading Nation - Bloomberg

When China has $4 trillion in forex reserves, that's Chinese soft power.

What should China buy with its $3.9 trillion reserves? - MarketWatch

When Russia signs a $400 billion gas deal with China to counter Western sanctions, that's Chinese soft power.

China, Russia sign $400 billion gas deal - The Washington Post

When Russia thinks China is their best friend, that's Chinese soft power.

Russians Think US Their No.1 Enemy, China Main Friend | InSerbia News

When Russia abandons the dollar and signs a $25 billion currency swap with China, that's Chinese soft power.

China, Russia sign $25 billion local currency swap| Reuters

When China creates its own World Bank, that's Chinese soft power.

The Economist explains: Why China is creating a new "World Bank" for Asia | The Economist


That by their very definition is not soft power. It is economic and trading power.

The only thing that comes close to soft power is Russians rating you their number 1 friend. But then you have to take everyone in perspective. You have awful ratings in Japan, Vietnam, Philippines, India, and many other countries.

Why try so hard to understand China?I think Chinese is too hard for u foreigner without language enviorment and one year may be far from enough.

If you eventually make it my suggestion is to read our middle school textbooks of history、Chinese language(and maybe politics).This means helped me alot to understand the west.What i can tell u in short is that almost every Chinese, likes or dislikes our govt, believes we SHOULD be the best.Everyone criticises govt,if ever, with the best things he can find from other countries in certain fields.

As for territory disputes, they have been existing for decades, at least we never claim new territory after we are somewhat stronger.Also we will never be as arrogant as the US, "American Exceptionalism" means more than what is was today.

I am quite a capable person, and I will be able to start reading some basic stuff by the end of this year, or starting next year. Fluency is of course a different thing, that may take an additional year.
 
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Also let me show you a level of industrialization India will not reach within this century. :lol:
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Also let me show you a level of industrialization India will not reach within this century. :lol:
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Electricity Production

The World Factbook

68nwCfx.jpg


Motor Vehicle Production

2013 Statistics | OICA

RvfjQmU.jpg


Commercial Shipbuilding

• Largest shipbuilding nations based on gross tonnage 2013 | Ranking

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High Speed Rail

Boeing: High-Speed Rail

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Well, China reached this in 3 decades, we may not surpass you, but a lot can be done surely.
Also, this all, again, is not soft-power.

Also, sorry to say, this is not the most respectful way to talk to anyone. You yourselves don't have soft-power. Showing ones success in this way normally doesn't earn friends. Money and Power is not everything in the world.
 
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By isolation I meant friends or foes. India has only one sworn enemy - Pakistan. It has major adverserial relationship with China, and unfriendly relationship with Sri Lanka. There are some tensions with Bangladesh as well, but overall we have many friends in Bangla. Being democratic, we sit in the ideological coalition of the west and liberal countries. Japan, Russia and US are major friends.
Compared to that, China has more enemies. The public image perception can tell you that.​

Public perception depends on how you want to see it, people don't see India as "good," they see it as no threat, people see US as "good." but also a bring of war, people see China as a "threat," due to our economy taking massive jobs away, our different ideology, and more, but mostly, who would you call China their enemy?

Maybe Philippines, not even Vietnam government, or any of the other ASEAN, and Japan Korea China, China Japan are hard at work on a new FTA.

Asian Infrastructure bank has Philippines and just short of Japan and Korea, while Korea may soon join.

So this is not a world perception problem, it's a your perception problem.



I am sorry, I should have been more careful with words. It is not really isolation that you I'm talking about. The isolation here is meant to tell the perception of country in their neighbourhood etc. You also face an ideological isolation, and if everything was equal, the west would choose India over China.​

Doubt that, aside from the fact it isn't equal, but the only reason India doesn't have as much hate, is because you need to be very successful to be hated. Indian GDP is still only 10th, so it's not a big deal to the West, yet.... Go on to a Indian bad video or article, and you will see just as many hate as China, while some may even bring up China as better.
The problem is China's wealth, you think if Taiwan and HK was reversed and in India's lap it be better with the "soft power?"

For HK and Taiwan. Yes, part of the problem is wealth. But a larger part is ideological, and spiritual gap between people. Had it only been wealth, why would then the HK problem worsen in the recent years? HK identity is getting stronger and stronger, and Chinese identity is weakening there. Also, you people are totally weak in explaining your situation to the rest of the world. Do I think India would have dealt with both the issues in a much better way? Yes. Actually wealth is a very good way to isolate people and gain support. Everyone likes to go after rich guys. India has already proven immense assimilation potential by building an Indian identity where there was none. Democracies, which by their definition involve public opinion and image, are much better in soft-power and creating common identity.​

Some people really did protest for identity and democracy, but most for wealth, you can clearly see the unhappy mood in HK due to our growing wealth that's pushing them out of HK cause they are poor as a mother, you can clearly see others cannot find jobs that pay more or even equal to what's available in Shanghai, Beijing and other major cities, you can see all of that if you want to see it.

Indians are in HK and Taiwan, ask them to rate India then if you think India is better at it, or any poor country can handle them any better.

Even Sri Lanka and Maldives are sort of looking down on Indian wealth, and they are not a 55,000 USD per capita place.

Korea-China. Yes. I am not asking you to make them vassals again. I am asking you to make them the modern equivalent of vassals. The kind of relationship US has with Canada. Is your relationship that strong? No way near. And relationship with Vietnam, Japan and Philippines is altogether a different story.​

Why do we have to have a sphere of influence, why is that so important. Korea is richer than us by a mile, so.....

Wait I'm writing a post about that. I will prove to you that by many metrics Bollywood and other Indian cinemas are better than Chinese mainland one. (not including HK, because while HK comes under China technically, it still can't be counted completely. And since, we are talking about soft-power issues of systems, we must focus on cinema that has been brought up in Chinese system.)​

Bollywood... you do know our domestic market is far bigger than India, we are a close second, in fact soon to be first.

If you mean Chinese movies usually sucks, then yea, they do suck, if you mean Bollywood has more influence than a Chinese film, you obviously don't know that nobody anywhere likes to watch foreign films, unless it's made by America.

bollywood is watched by Indians overseas, I never knew this until I thought about it, all the Chinese stuff are mostly bought by overseas Chinese, I mean the speciality Chinese products.

You may not know this, if you aren't overseas.

Well, China reached this in 3 decades, we may not surpass you, but a lot can be done surely.
Also, this all, again, is not soft-power.

Also, sorry to say, this is not the most respectful way to talk to anyone. You yourselves don't have soft-power. Showing ones success in this way normally doesn't earn friends. Money and Power is not everything in the world.
money and power are not everything, but you know what they can do?

Translate into more money for sanitation, higher expectation of living standards, higher education, more world view, travelling, and a ton of stuff that only money can buy.

Yes, by themselves it be useless, but you can do non of the things that lead to respect that I have listed without money.

I know you are patriotic and most of the things you see are Indian sourced or concerns India, but there's a whole world out there.
 
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Actually, China did something in 3 decades the US has NEVER done. Think about it.

As for India, do something about your toilet problem first and I might believe you.:rofl:

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Again we are late in starting our opening up. But we have learned a lot. Most of all from China. We may not be able to better you, but we will get better.

Public perception depends on how you want to see it, people don't see India as "good," they see it as no threat, people see US as "good." but also a bring of war, people see China as a "threat," due to our economy taking massive jobs away, our different ideology, and more, but mostly, who would you call China their enemy?

Maybe Philippines, not even Vietnam government, or any of the other ASEAN, and Japan Korea China, China Japan are hard at work on a new FTA.

Asian Infrastructure bank has Philippines and just short of Japan and Korea, while Korea may soon join.

So this is not a world perception problem, it's a your perception problem.





Doubt that, aside from the fact it isn't equal, but the only reason India doesn't have as much hate, is because you need to be very successful to be hated. Indian GDP is still only 10th, so it's not a big deal to the West, yet.... Go on to a Indian bad video or article, and you will see just as many hate as China, while some may even bring up China as better.
The problem is China's wealth, you think if Taiwan and HK was reversed and in India's lap it be better with the "soft power?"



Some people really did protest for identity and democracy, but most for wealth, you can clearly see the unhappy mood in HK due to our growing wealth that's pushing them out of HK cause they are poor as a mother, you can clearly see others cannot find jobs that pay more or even equal to what's available in Shanghai, Beijing and other major cities, you can see all of that if you want to see it.

Indians are in HK and Taiwan, ask them to rate India then if you think India is better at it, or any poor country can handle them any better.

Even Sri Lanka and Maldives are sort of looking down on Indian wealth, and they are not a 55,000 USD per capita place.



Why do we have to have a sphere of influence, why is that so important. Korea is richer than us by a mile, so.....



Bollywood... you do know our domestic market is far bigger than India, we are a close second, in fact soon to be first.

If you mean Chinese movies usually sucks, then yea, they do suck, if you mean Bollywood has more influence than a Chinese film, you obviously don't know that nobody anywhere likes to watch foreign films, unless it's made by America.

bollywood is watched by Indians overseas, I never knew this until I thought about it, all the Chinese stuff are mostly bought by overseas Chinese, I mean the speciality Chinese products.

You may not know this, if you aren't overseas.


money and power are not everything, but you know what they can do?

Translate into more money for sanitation, higher expectation of living standards, higher education, more world view, travelling, and a ton of stuff that only money can buy.

Yes, by themselves it be useless, but you can do non of the things that lead to respect that I have listed without money.

I know you are patriotic and most of the things you see are Indian sourced or concerns India, but there's a whole world out there.

Yes, but ask honestly. Was the way your countrymen dealing with me, the way to win friends? Even when people are poor, everyone has their ego. Everyone. Even when China was very very poor, it refused to be dealt, atleast officially on an equal basis. Do you think this attitude wins friends?
 
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Here you are wrong.
Yes, china is still poor, but it is still the 2nd largest economy in the world. And culture works in totally different way compared to economics. Let's see one good determinant that is the homegrown movie industry, and mind you, I'm talking about the movie industry and not about movie market.

China's movie industry is pedestal! You can check it anywhere.

The only thing in which India is ahead of China is in soft power base.

Here's where you are wrong. Back in 2004-2008, Chinese movies like Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, Infernal Affairs and House of Flying Daggers were amazing in Hollywood. After 2008, Hollywood started hating on Chinese films, however, that didn't affect Chinese markets in Southeast Asia. Check the ratings for 甄嬛传 (Empress in the Palace) or 还珠格格 (My Fair Princess) in Singapore and Malaysia. Check out ppl making threads for the sequel of My Fair Princess in Singapore:

http://forums.sgclub.com/singapore/new_fair_princess_366037.

html 还珠格格 Princess Pearl/ My Fair Princess (2011) | everythingboutdrama

It is considered a "childhood classic" by ppl my age.. in Singapore.

Nobody outside South Asia watches Indian films and India doesn't even have its own gaming industry. Meanwhile, Southeast Asians all know Chinese films and play Chinese computer games. Even Vietnamese:

Vietnam: a nation of online gamers dominated by Chinese and Korean games | Technology | DW.DE | 22.10.2013
 
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