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The China's Han Nationalists actually don't like CCP, they want some leader like Ran min or Hitler

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They think CCP is selling Han's interests to western countries

Most Han nationalists admire Hitler.

But thousands years before Hitler, in China's history, there was a leader much better than Hitler in terms of nationalism

His name is Ran Min


Ran Min (simplified Chinese: 冉闵; traditional Chinese: 冉閔; pinyin: Rǎn Mǐn; died 352),

was a military leader during the era of Sixteen Kingdoms in China and the only emperor of the short-lived state Ran Wei (冉魏). Ran (冉) is an uncommon Chinese family name. He was known for committing the genocide of the Jie people under Later Zhao.

Ran Min is now mostly known for his order to execute all of the Wu Hu, particularly the Jie.


Five Barbarians (Wu Hu):

The Uprising of the Five Barbarians (Chinese: 五胡亂華; pinyin: Wǔhú luànhuá; literally: "Five Barbarians throw China into disorder") refers to a series of uprisings between 304 and 316 by non-Han Chinese peoples living in North China against the Jin dynasty (265–420).

The uprisings helped topple Emperor Huai of Jin in Luoyang and ended the Western Jin dynasty.

Rulers from five minority ethnic groups, the Xiongnu (Huns), Xianbei, Jie, Qiang and Di, then established a series of independent kingdoms in northern China. This period of Chinese history, known as the Sixteen Kingdoms, (五胡十六國, 'sixteen kingdoms of the five barbarians')


Jie people

The Jié (Chinese: 羯; Wade–Giles: Chieh; Middle Chinese: [ki̯at][1]:246) were members of a small tribe in Northern China in the 4th century CE. Chinese sources state that the Jie originated among the Yuezhi. Under Shi Le they established the Later Zhao state.

The Jie were completely exterminated by Ran Min in the Wei–Jie war following the fall of the Later Zhao.

In 319, Jie general Shi Le established the state of Later Zhao in northern China, which supplanted the Xiongnu-led Han Zhao (304-329) state. However, the Later Zhao state collapsed in 351. In the period between 350 and 352, during the Wei-Jie war, General Ran Min ordered the complete extermination of the Jie, and their Europoid features (high noses and full beards) led to large numbers being killed.

According to the Book of Jin, the ancestors of Shi Le, the founder of Later Zhao, were a separate tribe of Xiongnu known as Qiāngqú (羌渠).[14] Pulleyblank identified Qiangqu with Kangju, who might be Tocharian in origin.:247 The Jie have been traced to the Little Yuezhi, who remained in China as subjects of the Xiongnu.

Some have linked the Jie with the Sogdians, and suggest that the family name of Shi from Jie who ruled the Later Zhao state originated in the Sogdian statelet of Tashkent, which was later also known as the Kingdom of Shi.

Some historians conjecture the Jie to have been be a medieval tribe related to the modern Kets


Wei–Jie war

The Wei–Jie war was a conflict in North China in 350. Following the fall of the ethnic-Jie Later Zhao regime in 350 by the Chinese state of Ran Wei, tensions were high.

The Jie people, who had formed the Later Zhao Dynasty, did not accept Ran Min's rule and rose against him, and they were joined by many other five barbarian nations. The resulting war was a decisive victory for Ran Min, who then proceeded to issue his famous "extermination order", which resulted in the extermination of virtually all of the Jie and most of the Wu Hu.

Following the victory at Xiangguo, Ran Min's forces proceeded northwards and defeated two Later Zhao border armies. Wherever he captured territory from the rebels, Ran Min's forces massacred any Wu Hu living there, burying them in large pits. Some 100,000 were reputedly killed in this way. Thousands of Wu Hu fled China or were killed.

The Jie were particularly hard hit; they were virtually completely wiped out




But after the uprising of Wu hu and sixteen kingdom period from the year of 304 to the year of 440 , a lot of nomads people from central Asia and Northern Asia integrated into China and becomes many today's northern Han Chinese people's ancestors.

Today's many northern Han Chinese actually may have bloodlines from Xiongnu, Jie, and other Wu hu people.
 
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Only the traitors among CPC have done that.

The authentic CPC idea is extremely pro-China, and don't get fooled by those right-wingers who played the ultra-nationalism cards. During the critical moment, they can betray China's national interests quicker than anyone else.

Even KMT claimed that they were the pro-China nationalists, but what was the reality?

Mao's CPC had a clash with USSR who was also a communist country with the same ideology.

Does KMT ever have the same gut to disobey the US?
 
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During WU hu uprising in Northern China, 80% of total population in North China were killed (both Han and Barbarian races).. Most Northern Han Chinese fled to South China to seek refugee.

Basically, during this period, the Northern China becomes a slaughtering ground, for these Sixteen Wu hu Kingdoms, and they fought each other heavily.

During this time, the South China enjoyed a peaceful period, so both of population and economy increased rapidly.

A lot of Southern Han Chinese and Northern Han Chinese migrants were repeatedly crossing the Yangze-river to start Northern expedition against Barbarian Kingdoms.


after this event, the economic center was shifting from Northern China to Southern China
 
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During WU hu uprising in Northern China, 80% of total population in North China were killed (both Han and Barbarian races).. Most Northern Han Chinese fled to South China to seek refugee.

Basically, during this period, the Northern China becomes a slaughtering ground, for these Sixteen Wu hu Kingdoms, and they fought each other heavily.

During this time, the South China enjoyed a peaceful period, so both of population and economy increased rapidly.

A lot of Southern Han Chinese and Northern Han Chinese migrants were repeatedly crossing the Yangze-river to start Northern expedition against Barbarian Kingdoms.


after this event, the economic center was shifting from Northern China to Southern China

The genetic test has already debunked this myth.

The North Chinese are purer than the South Chinese.

Although we are brothers with the North Chinese, but we also managed to mix with the local natives when we migrated to the South China.

Nobody is pure today, but we has still managed to maintain a strong genetic affinity with them.
 
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Only the traitors among CPC have done that.

The authentic CPC idea is extremely pro-China, and don't get fooled by those right-wingers who played the ultra-nationalism cards. During the critical moment, they can betray China's national interests quicker than anyone else.

Even KMT claimed that they were the pro-China nationalists, but what was the reality?

Mao's CPC had a clash with USSR who was also communist country with the same ideology.

Does KMT have the same gut to disobey the US?
Because CCP after 1979 is different from CCP before 1979.

Deng xiaoping's CCP even doing birth control on Han people, while the ethnic minorities can have 7,8 children

So, Mao's CCP is better
 
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Because CCP after 1979 is different from CCP before 1979.

Deng xiaoping's CCP even doing birth control on Han people, while the ethnic minorities can have 7,8 children

So, Mao's CCP is better
LOL ... U r just a kid, and don't know the true history here.

1. In Mao's China, PRC ever exported Red Revolution to neighbors and fought Korea War/ Sino-India War/ Sino-USSR conflict. Inside PRC Mao also held a Ten-year Culture Revolution.

2. In Deng's China, PRC stop to export Red Revolution and focus on economy development, only fought a Sino-Vietnam War.

Which PRC is less aggressive, Mao's or Deng's ?
 
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As an outsider, i can say China doing better under CCP when compared to the Qing era and Kuo Ming Tang. They can regain their status as prominent power in less than 60 years while in power meanwhile China has lost so much under Qing and suffered age of humiliation for more than 100 years and always losing their war against external power not to mention never ending war bound in China's mainland since 1840's till 1949.

And Deng doing far more better job than Mao
 
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As an outsider, i can say China doing better under CCP when compared to the Qing era and Kuo Ming Tang. They can regain their status as prominent power in less than 60 years while in power meanwhile China has lost so much under Qing and suffered age of humiliation for more than 100 years and always losing their war against external power not to mention never ending war bound in China's mainland since 1840's till 1949.

And Deng doing far more better job than Mao

Mao and Deng both did their job.

We don't wanna praise this one just by bashing another one.

Without Mao's earlier policy, China would get colonized economically/politically again by the foreign powers if she opened her market too early with the premature conditions.

LOL ... U r just a kid, and don't know the true history here.

1. In Mao's China, PRC ever exported Red Revolution to neighbors and fought Korea War/ Sino-India War/ Sino-USSR conflict. Inside PRC Mao also held a Ten-year Culture Revolution.

2. In Deng's China, PRC stop to export Red Revolution and focus on economy development, only fought a Sino-Vietnam War.

Which PRC is less aggressive, Mao's or Deng's ?

Mao did the job to secure China's territorial legacy.

And do you think that we shouldn't fight back in 1962 and 1969?

Deng also did fight back in 1979 when it was necessarily to flex the muscle.


Most Han nationalists admire Hitler.


Those Hitler worshippers in China are nothing but human excrement need to exterminated.

Even the real Nazis will also throw them into the gas chamber.

KMT is a prime example of how to whore over many different foreign powers; Imperial Japan/Nazi Germany/USSR/USA.

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They think CCP is selling Han's interests to western countries


Today's many northern Han Chinese actually may have bloodlines from Xiongnu, Jie, and other Wu hu people.

Stop talking nonsense about Chinese or China if you don't know a sh8t! There have been plenty of studies of China's population genetics published. You could at least read a few conclusions from those academic articles...
 
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So much against CPC and don't you know it is the same CPC that installed this idea in your very mind?

Have the textbooks rewritten and you will get the folks and former invaders as best friends.

Nationalism is a beast and China has not yet decided to cage it, as resentment also derives courage.
 
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