The Carrier Dilemma: How Many is Enough?

[ajtr]

a bird in hand is worth two in the bush

 

[Abingdonboy]

Man u are kidding me

CBG - Carrier battle group (AC + the escorts it gets, it can be 2 destroyers + 2 frigates + 1-2 subs+ 1-2 corvettes + 1-2 support ships)

Carrier battle group - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

LHD - Landing Helicopter Dock - a smaller carrier version, only helicopters can be operated from it( Landing helicopter dock - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia).

LPD - Landing Platform Dock (remember INS Jalashwa??)

Amphibious transport dock - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Small correction- LHDs CAN operate VSTOL a/c ie USMC operate Harriers and soon F-35s off the LHDs.

 

[joekrish]

Man u are kidding me

CBG - Carrier battle group (AC + the escorts it gets, it can be 2 destroyers + 2 frigates + 1-2 subs+ 1-2 corvettes + 1-2 support ships)

Carrier battle group - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

LHD - Landing Helicopter Dock - a smaller carrier version, only helicopters can be operated from it( Landing helicopter dock - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia).

LPD - Landing Platform Dock (remember INS Jalashwa??)

Amphibious transport dock - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sorry mate just learning, thank you for the help.

 

[arp2041]

Small correction- LHDs CAN operate VSTOL a/c ie USMC operate Harriers and soon F-35s off the LHDs.

yes, but only when F-35s get in service till than they should do with helicopters only

Sorry mate just learning, thank you for the help.

no problem mate, i was shocked because u have been here since more than one year & also senior than me

 

[Ticker]

How much time does it take to build one aircraft carrier.

 

[Abingdonboy]

yes, but only when F-35s get in service till than they should do with helicopters only

Actually the USMC does currently operate Harriers off LHDs and has doe for decades.

 

[arp2041]

Actually the USMC does currently operate Harriers off LHDs and has doe for decades.

yes, i read of it once, & i was shocked that US using British made jets. I think it was a JV b/w US & Britain, but can't US make it's own VSTOL jets??

 

[Abingdonboy]

How much time does it take to build one aircraft carrier.

Depends the For the US it takes ~5 years for their SuperCarriers for others it takes longer. India is just starting out so the learning curve is relatively steep and so it will take a while to build and there will be delays but later ACC construction will be speedier.

yes, i read of it once, & i was shocked that US using British made jets. I think it was a JV b/w US & Britain, but can't US make it's own VSTOL jets??

The Harriers the USMC use are a result of a joint venture between McDonald Douglas and BAE and are souped up versions designated the AV-8s. There is significant US origin content on these AV-8s. And when the USMC first started operating them (late 1970s) the Harriers fitted he bill for the USMC perfectly and there was no point re inventing the wheel.

 

[gambit]

How much time does it take to build one aircraft carrier.

Depends the For the US it takes ~5 years for their SuperCarriers for others it takes longer. India is just starting out so the learning curve is relatively steep and so it will take a while to build and there will be delays but later ACC construction will be speedier.

Build To Order: One Aircraft Carrier Here's why it takes more than seven years to make the world's most complicated manufactured product. - July 22, 2002

The job involves 47,000 tons of precision-welded steel up to four inches thick, more than a million distinct parts, 900 miles of wire and cable, around 40 million skilled-worker hours, battalions of engineers, and over seven years of hard work.

And that seven years is with decades of experience building a highly specific type of large ships. Smaller ships take less time, of course, but an aircraft carrier no matter how small is no ordinary ship.

 

[Oldman1]

In wartime I'm sure its much much less to build it. Roughly 3 years I would say.

 

[SQ8]

Sir, can u pls explain why the cost of obtaining 6 CBGs will be 120 billion dollars??

cost of INS vikramaditya CBG (just an assumption) will be = $2.8 billion for the AC + 2 Kolkata class destroyers ($ 1 billion) + 2 P-17 Frigates ($ 500 million) + 1 P-28 corvette ($ 250-300 million) + 1 INS Chakra ( $ 700 million for 10 year lease) + 1 or 2 support ships (maybe $ 100 million more), so at current cost the cost of purchasing a complete CBG comes out to be around $5.5 billion, so if we had gone for 6 CBGs, the cost cannot go more than $35 billion.

Sorry, I should have said Include the cost of aircraft, personnell, maintenance equipment etc.
but basically.. just for a CVBG

Construction Costs – $5.5 billion (not counting Aircraft) x 6 = $35 billion
Operating and Support Costs – $5-10 billion (Carrier with ACft,weapons,personell along with support ships based on 1/2 cost of similar US CBG) ..just the carrier takes up around $60-90 million dollars (based on 1/2 of US Carrier annual cost @ $150 million)
Other Costs(Construction overruns , delays ) – $1 billion(optimistic that there are minimal delays in the next 4 carriers)
Total Average Cost – $14.5 billion each x 6 = $84 billion (Not counting cost of Aircraft and their support equipment cost)

And I have not adjusted for possible inflation.
So even in the most optimistic case.. these 6 carrier will easily cost close to $90 Billion.

 

[Abingdonboy]

^^ adding on the support/escorts of the CBG such as 1-2 $1.3 BN a peice P-15A/B, 1-2 $800million-1BN a peice P-17/A, 1-2 $1-1.5 BN a peice SSK/SSN, 1-2 $300-400 million support ship and 1-2 $500-600 million a piece P-28A corvettes. Then their is the air group for ech carrier which,all told, with fighters,helos,AWACS etc will cost $3-4 BN per ACC. This is about ~$15 BN per CBG excluding the ACC itself.

 

[ushikra]

Are we talking about ACCs that run on nuclear on non nuclear propulsion. How would that effect costs of production and /or maintenance.

 

[RISING SUN]

Sir, can u pls explain why the cost of obtaining 6 CBGs will be 120 billion dollars??

cost of INS vikramaditya CBG (just an assumption) will be = $2.8 billion for the AC + 2 Kolkata class destroyers ($ 1 billion) + 2 P-17 Frigates ($ 500 million) + 1 P-28 corvette ($ 250-300 million) + 1 INS Chakra ( $ 700 million for 10 year lease) + 1 or 2 support ships (maybe $ 100 million more), so at current cost the cost of purchasing a complete CBG comes out to be around $5.5 billion, so if we had gone for 6 CBGs, the cost cannot go more than $35 billion.

I am again saying that corvettes are not employed in CBG.

 

[Abingdonboy]

I am again saying that corvettes are not employed in CBG.

Okay, fair enough I was under the impression they would be-oh well!!