The Block-70 F-16

[Ultima Thule]

Financing. work mostly done in China by Chinese.

Go to PAC website then talk, only K-8 receive 25% $$$ but we are fully Involved in JF-17 project with China we Bought CNC and other sensitive Machine for production of JF-17 from China

EW suit was the thing I was talking about....

Mr expert Its from J-10C according to various senior and professional members here on PDF and not from Turkey

 

[JohnWick]

do you know the size difference between two and sides and elevations of two designs if two things looks somewhat simmilar in pictures doesnt mean they r the same


If we see capabilities gap between chinese and pakistanis in fighter jet designing and manufacturing there is no inputs besides sharing development cost pakistan can have.
Chinese are on different level entirely.

Can you enlist the made in India things
In tejas?

 

[The Accountant]

Wrong in Airframe 58% part is Pakistani thats means pakistani manufactured..

58% of Airframe does not equal to 58% of Fighter Jet... laughable

thats why Pakistanis should not compare Jf-17 with Tejas ... Tejas is Indian by design
Jf-17 is RussoSino plane by design..

If u want to compare this to Su-30 MKI all airframe is manufactured in India including multiple sub systems even Engine besides core is manufactured in India

I never knew that Tejas has an Indian engine and radar.

Yes because its much more than 58% manufacturing as integration of all the parts electronics engine and avionics is done by Pakistan.

In any case when you Tejas were hiding somewhere and MKIs were trying to dodge our AMRAAMs (which they failed) our JF17 were bombing your military backyard. So if the purpose of yours MKI and Tejas was to give job to your incompetent staff then purpose achieved. Our purpose was to get a fighter capable of kicking a** of the enemy and our purpose achieved remarkably well.

 

[ssethii]

do you know the size difference between two and sides and elevations of two designs if two things looks somewhat simmilar in pictures doesnt mean they r the same

If we see capabilities gap between chinese and pakistanis in fighter jet designing and manufacturing there is no inputs besides sharing development cost pakistan can have.
Chinese are on different level entirely.

Pakistan does have experience prior to this project in building basic trainers and UAVs also as operators of F-16s superior to anything at that time in Chinese inventory. I wonder if Indians were invited as a partner they instead of building a fighter would have made this a dick-measuring fest due to their insecurity and low self-esteem inherit in their DNA due to centuries of exploitation by invaders.
I think we are going offtopic here but on a serious note, Pakistan at that time wanted to put a basic 4th gen fighter jet in skies to defend its airspace and upgrade gradually to meet evolving threats without wasting too much time and resources in reinventing the wheel.

Go to PAC website then talk, only K-8 receive 25% $$$ but we are fully Involved in JF-17 project with China we Bought CNC and other sensitive Machine for production of JF-17 from China


Mr expert Its from J-10C according to various senior and professional members here on PDF and not from Turkey

By work, I meant design work.

 

[Ultima Thule]

By work, I meant design work.[/QUOTE]
dude Pakistan Involved in this project early as 95 and both countries involved in early initial R & D and in design work, there was a thread on PDF that's shows PAF aeronautical engineers/scientists working in China for its design

 

[ssethii]

By work, I meant design work.
dude Pakistan Involved in this project early as 95 and both countries involved in early initial R & D and in design work, there was a thread on PDF that's shows PAF aeronautical engineers/scientists working in China for its design

Who is the chief desiner of Jf17?

 

[Trango Towers]

Wrong in Airframe 58% part is Pakistani thats means pakistani manufactured..

58% of Airframe does not equal to 58% of Fighter Jet... laughable

thats why Pakistanis should not compare Jf-17 with Tejas ... Tejas is Indian by design
Jf-17 is RussoSino plane by design..

If u want to compare this to Su-30 MKI all airframe is manufactured in India including multiple sub systems even Engine besides core is manufactured in India

Tejas is indian by design....ooooookay

 

[Ultima Thule]

Who is the chief desiner of Jf17?

Of course Chinese, but we became a part of this Process and remember JF-17 is especially design for PAF by China, If Chinese didn't know what type of fighter jets we want, can they developed JF-17 for PAF, Pakistan fully involved in early R & D and other project related stuff in JF-17 project according to PAF and you thinks PAF lying to us

 

[ssethii]

Of course Chinese, but we became a part of this Process and remember JF-17 is especially design for PAF by China, If Chinese didn't know what type of fighter jets we want, can they developed JF-17 for PAF, Pakistan fully involved in early R & D and other project related stuff in JF-17 project according to PAF and you thinks PAF lying to us

That pretty much sums it up.

 

[LeGenD]

Wrong in Airframe 58% part is Pakistani thats means pakistani manufactured..

58% of Airframe does not equal to 58% of Fighter Jet... laughable

thats why Pakistanis should not compare Jf-17 with Tejas ... Tejas is Indian by design
Jf-17 is RussoSino plane by design..

If u want to compare this to Su-30 MKI all airframe is manufactured in India including multiple sub systems even Engine besides core is manufactured in India

What a joke you are.

JF-17 Thunder is a Joint Venture (JV) between Pakistan and China for developing an aircraft based on valuable insights from Mig-21 and F-16 designs. While China have advanced aircraft manufacturing capabilities, Pakistan is still a partner in equal measure in this project.

Pakistan is also exploring 5th generation aircraft concepts. Let us see where this initiative will lead us to. WE are taking a look at both Turkish TF-X and Chinese J-31 design concepts in connection. At the very least, WE will learn a great deal about developing advanced forms of aircraft from this initiative, and will come up with something impressive in the future. WE are not expecting an F-35 anytime soon but something on the level of F-15 SE Silent Eagle will do.

Regarding Indian Tejas project, you forgot to mention American, Russian, French and Israeli input and contributions to it. Do not be under any illusion. India is not re-inventing the wheel with Tejas. At most, this was a valuable learning experience for India.

 

[Zapper]

So except for the title and OP's post, nothing in this thread is about F-16 Blk-70

If a news ever came out that NK's Kim Jong farted...most PDF members (both Indians & Pakistanis) would still be able to turn that news into a India vs Pak troll fest

 

[khanmubashir]

Wrong in Airframe 58% part is Pakistani thats means pakistani manufactured..

58% of Airframe does not equal to 58% of Fighter Jet... laughable

thats why Pakistanis should not compare Jf-17 with Tejas ... Tejas is Indian by design
Jf-17 is RussoSino plane by design..

If u want to compare this to Su-30 MKI all airframe is manufactured in India including multiple sub systems even Engine besides core is manufactured in India

really; Indian making su engine Sonny ??? thora cum choro the su comes in knockdown kits Hal just assembles it that's why u need Russia to upgrade em to super su level
jf17 is the second jet in world after f35 to have DSi it's designed cooperatively between Pak and China

 

[Ultima Thule]

Electronic warefare suit was the thing I was talking about and it is designed from
mig-33 same as J-10 copied from an Israel fighter jet,J-11 and J-16 from Su-27 and
J-15 from su-33.F-7 from mig-21 enuff said.....

And J-20 from MIG-1.44 and FC-31 copied from F-35,the era of copying old fighter jets are over they are developing fighter jets from scratch now

 

[Tumba]

really; Indian making su engine Sonny ??? thora cum choro the su comes in knockdown kits Hal just assembles it that's why u need Russia to upgrade em to super su level
jf17 is the second jet in world after f35 to have DSi it's designed cooperatively between Pak and China

from all the forums I have visited PDF have very less posters who actually are suitable to post in defense forums...

India manufacturers Su-30 engines

https://www.defenseworld.net/news/21043/HAL_Hands_Over_Fiftieth_AL31FP_Engine_For_Su_30MKI_to_IAF

India’s state-owned aircraft manufacturer, Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) has handed over the fiftieth AL31FP engine meant for the Su-30MKI fighter jet to the Indian Air Force (IAF) on Monday.
The engine, manufactured from raw materials by Sukhoi Engine Division of HAL in Koraput, Orissa state has been handed over to IAF in Delhi yesterday as part of celebrations of 70th year of India Russia diplomatic relationship.
“The AL31FP engine powers Su30 MKI and is manufactured from raw material stage. All the components, including heavy forgings are manufactured at HAL”, said Mr. T. Suvarna Raju, CMD, HAL. He handed over the documents related to the 50th Raw Material Phase Engine of Su-30MKI to Air Marshal S.B. Deo, VCAS.
It is a twin spool, axial flow, low bypass turbo fan engine incorporating After Burner System, variable area Jet Nozzle with thrust vectoring, air-to-air heat exchanger, anti-surge system.
A specific feature of AL-31FP is an axi-symmetric vectoring nozzle with a thrust vector angle of ±15 degres in the vertical plane providing super maneuverability of the aircraft. The vectoring nozzle control is integrated with the engine control system.
The AL-31FP engines ensure stable operation in all available evolutions of the aircraft in super maneuverability modes. Till date 357 engines are manufactured which includes engines of phase I to phase V.

 

[YeBeWarned]

@The Eagle this thread is derailed by few members ..