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The biggest shocker of the MMRCA......

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Sick of hearsay and rumours? Well, here's some stuff that's confirmed true, new, and potentially explosive for contenders in the Medium Multirole Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) competition. Let me just start by saying that the ball is squarely with the MoD now -- the field evaluation trial report has been submitted, but has not yet been approved by the MoD. There is likely to be a measure of back and forth between South Block and Vayu Bhawan before it is approved and passed on for the next stage. In the meanwhile, chew on this. No rumours here.

Point One, The Indian Air Force won't choose a twin-engine aircraft in the MMRCA, if a single-engine aircraft can "do the job", i.e, is satisfactorily compliant on all 643 test points that each of the six airplanes were tested for during the field evaluation trials (FETs). The IAF is of the view that both single and twin engine platforms have their own advantages, but that it will not discriminate between the two. If all six aircraft are compliant, the cheapest will be selected whether its twin or single-engined.

Point Two, and this is a biggie -- The model being used to gauge cost is not the lifecycle cost (LCC) model as was previously thought. That model has been dumped since the IAF perceives it to be indeterminable (read, ambiguous), and not measured in precisely the same way across the six aircraft being offered. In other words, the MMRCA purchase model will be based on unit flyaway cost of aircraft and financing options -- i.e, not overall cost of ownership. The IAF decided that it would only work with what is "determinable". In other words, no complex formulae on future savings on maintenance and overhaul. Do you see why I used the word bombshell in the post title? :)

Point Three, cost is going to be a big determinant. Out of the six aircraft that are judged compliant, the cheapest will be identified as L1, and will logically be the chosen aircraft.

Point Three-and-a-half, it emerges now that each vendor was extensively briefed on their performance once the trials were over, so they have a comprehensive sense of how they performed -- their function of compliance, if you will -- but they have nothing to compare it with. So unless you account for industrial espionage, none of the vendors know how the others have performed, but know exactly how well or badly their own platform performed during trials.

Point Four, the air force's trial report has been submitted to the MoD, but the latter hasn't approved it yet. The trial report strictly contains a tabulated representation of each contending platform's compliance or otherwise for each of 643 test points. Significantly, the trial report does not quantify the level of compliance of each airplane, but rather leaves this for the MoD to understand. In other words, the trial report has all the data and results, but no recommendations, no merit list, no explicit downselect, no stated eliminations, nothing. Yet, by virtue of the data it presents, everything is implicit. It provides the data. It provides the benchmarks for compliance. The MoD figures out who's in, who's not quite in, who's definitely out. The IAF hasn't put that down. The IAF has submitted a "factual report" -- the rest is upto the MoD. Again, there's been no ranking at any stage.

Point Five, there have been frequent attempts by various players to suggest that some of the non-US contenders will have trouble getting export licenses for subsystems that may be of American origin (like the Gripen's engines, weapons on some of the others etc). Let's lay that to rest for now -- the IAF extracted government-endorsed guarantees from each such contending vendor that there would be no problems in the supply of such equipment, and it was based on this guarantee certificate that the contender was allowed to participate in trials.

Finally, the option exists for the IAF to go for more than 126 aircraft, but a decision has not yet been taken on whether to club that option with the principal purchase


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i hate to say this its going to be either MIG 35 or F 16 or f 18 and rest are too costly
 
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Why exactly are u cursing MOD ... everyone including myself thinks we can do a better job out there but even they have reasons for delays

well man they think about economy in defense but the corruption in other fields no one thinks about it............ My point is no compromise in national security........
 
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Shiv has gone nuts.. he may be enjoying that his "reliable " articles are discussed on forums extensively.

Im just sick of this new news threads coming now and then.

Why is the final report being delayed?? Was it written in"Mandarin" and defense personals are busy translating it???
 
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god ...why do we start a new thread every time shiv writes something !!!!!

when i read this news i was so worried that this should not happen............ and i felt like it is worth the discussion............ More over when ur worried it is better talk about it with some one..........
 
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The article has a suggestion more that suits the "grippen".

Single engine, american vendor- no problem, cheapness.. Dont u guys think the same???
 
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India plays down reports of MMRCA decision

11 August 2010

The official spokesman of the Indian Ministry of Defence (MoD) has downplayed media reports that France's Dassault Rafale and the Eurofighter Typhoon have emerged as favourites to win India's Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) contest.

Speaking to Jane's on 10 August, Sitanshu Kar said no decisions have been made about the programme following the MoD's receipt of a comprehensive trial report on the six rival fighters competing for the INR420 billion (USD9.1 billion) contract.

Some media outlets in India had earlier reported that the results of the MMRCA technical evaluations, which concluded in mid-2010, had prompted the Indian Air Force (IAF) to recommend to the MoD that the shortlist be narrowed down to just two aircraft: the Rafale and Typhoon.

The other platforms competing for the 126-aircraft tender are Boeing's F/A-18E/F, Lockheed Martin's F-16IN, the Russian United Aircraft Corporation's MiG-35 and Saab's JAS 39 Gripen NG.




India plays down reports of MMRCA decision
 
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i hate to say this its going to be either MIG 35 or F 16 or f 18 and rest are too costly

But I thought the article said single engine only...last I checked F18 had two engines

ahhhh whatever, the MMRCA deal has started a cottage industry dealing in rumours, but still difficult to resist every damn pc of info
 
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The article has a suggestion more that suits the "grippen".

Single engine, american vendor- no problem, cheapness.. Dont u guys think the same???

if they make cost an important determinant then surely rafale and eurofighter are out !!!!! this may even incude f 18 since iaf is not happy with its thrust to weight ratio .....
leaving gripen f 16 and mig 35..... but since iaf is also not happy with the mig 35s performance...... this leaves us with gripen and f 16 !!!!!!!

GOD U R GIVING ME NIGHTMARES ... AS I HATE BOTH !!!!!!

THIS MMRCA IS GETTING MORE AND MORE CONFUSING DAY BY DAY !!!!

THEY SHOULD RENAME THE COMPETITION AS ---MMMRCA ie MYSTERIOUS MEDIUM MULTIROLE COMBAT AIRCRAFT !!!!
 
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