The Best Tank in the World

[Arsalan]

and offcourse what about the AlKhalid 2

any news

dear friends i will be looking forward for your response, kindly do share your views about it

regards!

 

[murshid]

According to the western military experts the German Leopard, the British Challenger and the US M1 Abrams are the best tanks. These are nothing but western propaganda to sell their tanks. Russians have some of the best tanks in the world. Check this out:

Modern Russian Tanks. Best Tanks In 2007. - Video

what are the ratings of T-80 ?

 

[wild peace]

well where do you guys think that AlKhalid falls in this list!
for me it is one of the best!

the only short fall i can find out is its less armor, it have a super engine, superb gun and targeting system and good round firing speed and capacity!

it is alos good in both hilly and desert terrain so a good option for PA!

so what do you guys think of this tank!?

to make it simple, the russian T90 is the only tank AlKhalid might have to fight with so what do you see about the balance of power between T90 and AlKhalid!

The Type-90 chinese version. Now here are the details about Al-Khalid and pakistan incoopertion in it:

The Al-Khalid or MBT 2000 (Type 90-IIM) is a modern main battle tank co-developed by China and Pakistan. It is produced in Pakistan, and in service with the Pakistan Army. It is operated by a crew of three, and armed with 125mm smoothbore gun with mechanical autoloader, capable of firing anti-tank missiles, with modern fire-control and night-fighting equipment.

Based on its Chinese and Soviet design ancestry, the MBT2000/Al-Khalid is considerably smaller and lighter than most western main battle tanks. The design is based on the Chinese model Type 90 main battle tank project, which combines technologies from several Soviet and western tanks, and is ultimately a descendant of the widely-produced Soviet T-54A. The MBT 2000 is unusual in that it is adaptable for manufacture with any of a variety engines and transmissions of foreign origin.

The Al-Khalid is a version of this tank produced in Pakistan, with a compact diesel engine supplied by Ukraine's KMDB design bureau. The first tanks were completed and entered Pakistan Army service in 2001, and Pakistan plans to induct 600 of these by 2007.

The Type 80 and Type 85 tanks led to the Type 90. The Type 90 was rejected for Chinese service, in favour of other designs, but it influenced further development which would lead to China's third-generation Type 98 and Type 99 tanks.The
Type 90 is an evolutionary design: the Type 90-II version shares 10% of its components with the Type 59, 15% with Type 69, 20% with Type 85/88C, and is built with 55% new components. This model was put up for sale on the international market.

A development deal was signed with Pakistan in January 1990. Initial Chinese-built prototypes were tested in Pakistan in August 1991. Pakistan spent more than USD $20 million over the next ten years on the co-development of a model suitable for their needs, and on creating a capability to manufacture it locally, under the direction of Brigadier Mohammad Asaad at that time. The design team modified the tank to accept a foreign-built power pack. A number of different prototypes were evaluated.

The final tank design resulting from a decade of co-operative development was designated Type 90-IIM. Chinese company Norinco showed the new Type 90-IIM during the March 2001 Abu Dhabi Defense Expo, under the export name MBT 2000.

The version powered by the Ukrainian power plant, intended for domestic production in Pakistan, was named Al-Khalid after the prominent companion of the Prophet Muhammad(S) named Khalid Ibn Al Walid.version was tested with the Ukrainian 6TD-2 1,200-hp diesel engine (Ukraine also supplied Pakistan with T-80UD tanks, powered by a similar compact diesel engine). This configuration was chosen for the production version of the tank .

Another version—employing more western technology—had been envisaged as an export product for Pakistan. The prototype had a 1,200-hp German MTU-871/TCM AVDS-1790 diesel engine and an LSG-3000 transmission. But this concept was abandoned due to the arms embargo imposed on Pakistan after the 1998 Pakistani nuclear tests.
Armament and fire control
Al-Khalid is designed with a 125mm (length: 48 calibers) smoothbore, auto-frettaged and chrome-plated gun barrel which can fire APFSDS, HEAT-FS and HE-FS conventional ammunition and Russian-made 9M119 Refleks ATGM (AT-11 Sniper, also produced in China under licence). Al-Khalid is also one of the few tanks in the world that use DU rounds. The DU round used by Al-Khalid is the indigenous Pakistani made Niaza 125mm DU round (armor penetration: 550 mm at 2 km). Al-Khalid is equipped with a muzzle reference system and dual-axis stabilization. Elevation and azimuth control is achieved by electro-hydraulic power drives. The automatic ammunition-handling system for the main gun has a 24-round ready-to-fire magazine and can load and fire at a rate of eight rounds per minute.The tank is also equipped with a 7.62mm-coaxial machine gun, a 12.7mm externally-mounted air-defence machine gun that can be fired with the hatch closed, and smoke grenade launchers.
he gunner is provided with a dual magnification day sight and the commander with a panoramic sight for all-around independent surveillance. Both sights are dual-axis image stabilized and have independent laser range-finders. The commander has the ability to acquire a target independently while the gunner is engaging another one. The automatic target-tracking system is designed to work when tank and target are both moving. Night vision for the gunner and commander is achieved through a dual-magnification thermal imaging sight. Both sights are integrated with the fire-control system.
In the MBT 2000, the Chinese Norinco fire-control system has inputs from ten sensors. The ballistic computation time is less than one second. The manufacturer claims routine first round hits on standard 8 ft (2.4 m) square targets at ranges over 2,000 meters.
Effective range: 200 m to 5,000 m
Sensor: laser ranging from 200 m to 9,990 m
Auto-tracking, firing four types of munitions, gunner's thermal imaging sight, commander's image intensification night vision sight, gyro-stabilized and UPS power supply system.
The Al-Khalid is equipped with the ATCOP LTS 1 laser threat warner developed by Institute of Industrial Control Systems.
The LTS 1 laser threat warner consists of two key elements, the mast-mounted sensor and the operator's control box complete with 360° display. According to ATCOP, the LTS 1 laser threat warner can detect not only laser rangefinders but also laser target designators. It responds to all current laser sources in the field environment and if required can also be coupled with acoustic alarms as well as smoke generators and other countermeasure systems. The LTS 1 laser threat warner can detect laser devices operating in the 0.8 to 1.06 µm waveband and has a 360° field of view azimuth (resolution of 15&#176 with a field of view in elevation of -15 to +90°. Operating voltage is 12 V or 24 V DC nominal with power consumption being 8 W nominal. The sensor head is 165 mm in diameter and 35 mm high while the control box is 80 x 130 x 55 mm in size.

Mobility
The production model Al-Khalid has a Ukrainian 6TD-2 1,200-horsepower supercharged diesel engine and semi-automatic transmission. An under-armour auxiliary power unit allows electrical systems to operate with the main engine switched off. The suspension consists of torsion bars, hydraulic dampers and buffers.

At 46 tonnes, Al-Khalid is easier to transport than a nearly 70-tonne M1 Abrams. Its high power-to-weight of 26 hp/tonne gives it a maximum speed of 70 km/h and acceleration from 0 to 30 km/h in under ten seconds.

The snorkel system allows it to cross prepared water obstacles up to 5 meters deep. Navigation is assisted by the use of Global Positioning and Inertial Navigation Systems.

Protection
Al-Khalid has modular composite armour and explosive reactive armour, nuclear-biological-chemical defences, an effective thermal smoke generator, internal fire extinguisher and explosion-suppression system. It also has advanced laser detection system developed by Al Technique Corporation

A BIRD IN A HAND IS BETTER THAN TWO IN A BUSH

 

[AzadPakistan]

Most of these - analyses by western media is MARKETING gimick
so arab states and other nations would give them 10-20 million more per tank


We all know that Peoples Republic of China manufactures the best quality good - in world , and we are close allies of this great nation. As such of course we also have learned some good skills -



The two nations have united and created some of the best tanks in world Al Khalid Tank according to the Eastern Analyst is better then any UK , US tank and it is capable to out duel 100 tanks to 1 Tank because we can see how these so called best tanks in world are garbage piles in a Afghanistan / Iraq so they can't be #1 or best tanks its just a MYTH

 

[le_souriceau]

Chinese Type-99 - just a not bad copy of the different elements of the T-72, 80 and 90. Nothing more then average +/- modern tank.

 

[Penguin]

Another version—employing more western technology—had been envisaged as an export product for Pakistan. The prototype had a 1,200-hp German MTU-871/TCM AVDS-1790 diesel engine and an LSG-3000 transmission. But this concept was abandoned due to the arms embargo imposed on Pakistan after the 1998 Pakistani nuclear tests.

MTU 871 Ka-501 engine is an 8-cyl. water-cooled diesel developing 1200 hp (890 kW) at 2600 rpm. It is used e.g. in the South Korean K1.
The 12 cyl. 1500 hp bigger brother MTU 873 is used on the Leo 2.
870: MTU Online
http://www.engine-cemberci.com/engine/MTU/22.pdf
Army Guide - MB 873 Ka-501, Power pack
Army Guide - MB 871 Ka-501, Diesel engine

General Dynamics Land Systems, (previously Teledyne Vehicle Systems) produces the AVDS-1790 Series diesel engine for combat vehicles. It comes in different versinos with a power output of 750, 908,1,050 and 1,200 hp respectively. General Dynamics Land Systems has produced more than 44,000 AVDS-1790 Series engines, powering over 60 percent of the western world's main battle tanks. The AVDS-1790 Series is a military specification engine, combat proven and optimised for heavy, tracked vehicle operation. It was originally for the US Army's M46/M47/M48/M60/M103. It has also been used as replacement for the Rolls Royce Meteor in some country's Centurions (e.g. Israeli Sho't Kal Alef/Bet/Gimel/Dalet vehicle versions, Singapore's similar Tempest vehicle version, Swedens's Stridsvagn 104 version). It is also used on Merkava I/II/III and Jordan's AB14 Temsah HIFV.
Army Guide - AVDS 1790 2A, Diesel engine
Army Guide - AVDS 1790 6A, Diesel engine
Army Guide - AVDS 1790 9AR, Diesel engine
Army Guide - AVDS 1790-2D, Diesel engine
Continental AV1790 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

AFAIK these two engines have nothing to do with each other! You either have one or the other.

As for differently powered versions of the AK:

The development programme comprised a number of prototypes with following configurations:-

Configuration-1 Based entirely on Chinese systems viz the Chinese 125mm gun and auto-loader, fire control system (FCS), gun control system (GCS) and powerpack. The powerpack comprised a 1200 HP engine manufactured in China based on MTU-396 series engine under licence from MTU Germany coupled with LSG-3000 automatic transmission.

Configuration-2 Based on Chinese 125mm gun and auto-loader, the FCS, GCS and powerpack being of Western origin. The powerpack comprised Perkins 1200 HP Condor engine coupled with the French SESM-500 automatic transmission.

Configuration-3 Based upon a 1200 HP powerpack from Ukraine whereas the gun, autoloader, FCS and GCS are of Chinese and western origin.

Configuration-4 Based upon Western armament and powerpack comprising MTU-871/TCM AVDS-1790 engine with LSG-3000 transmission. This option did not materialise owing to difficulties in acquisition of these systems due to trade embargoes

Development of MBT-2000 (Al-Khalid)

IIRC besides the config 2 protoype with the Ukrainan 6TD 12000 engine (ultimately adoipted), there was only a single prototype with a western engine, namely that with the 1200 hp British Perkins CV12 (config 3).

Neither the MTU 871 not the AVDS-1790 mentioned above made it into a prototype, nor did the French 1,500hp diesel V series engine that was also considered.

The MTU 396 is what MTU calls a heavy duty general purpose (truck) engine available in 8, 12 and 16 cyl. variations, not a special purpose diesel engine (designed specifially for military applications).

 

[2008nnd]

to my knowledge this would be ToT of korean K-1 A1 or K-2. so is this the end of pakistan turkey co-production story for next generation tank?

korean K series tank are support by American technique. korean K tank assemble the American engine, german artillery,EU
fire control system。 so this tank is quite advanced,but too expensive and also not convenience for its maintenance and repair ,because its facilty are coming from so many difference country. however those country are all NATO members, so i think it's not a problem!

 

[nabeel190]

hey guys..
i think M1 ABRAMS r best in the world because of speed and the accuracy abrams r the best tanks so far and as far as al-khalid is concerns its pretty gud too but it can't match abrams....

 

[Desertfalcon]

Leopard 2A6. My vote. Latest in "reactive" armor. Excellent gun. Better engine than the Abrams and easier to maintain in the field.

 

[hj786]

Leopard 2A6. My vote. Latest in "reative" armor. Excellent gun. Better engine thatn the Abrams and easier to maintain in the field.

Abrams' engine has advantages also. It is very quiet, a big advantage in combat according to an Abrams crewman. Although he does admit it has a very large infra-red signature.

 

[Penguin]

korean K series tank are support by American technique. korean K tank assemble the American engine, german artillery,EU
fire control system。 so this tank is quite advanced,but too expensive and also not convenience for its maintenance and repair ,because its facilty are coming from so many difference country. however those country are all NATO members, so i think it's not a problem!

It has a German engine (MTU 871 Ka-501) and transmission (ZF Friedrichshafen LSG 3000). Gun is a licenced copy of American M68E1 105 mm rifled main gun, itself stemming from the UK L7. Later gun a licensed production model of 120mm U.S. M256 which, in turn, is a licensed production model of the Rheinmetall L44. Original fire control system by Hughes Aircraft Company and Gunner's Primary Tank Thermal Sights (GPTTS) by Texas Instruments. Samsung Electronics, now Samsung Thales, are providing the fire control system for K1A1 including the Korean Commander's Panoramic Sight (KCPS) which includes a thermal imager with 288x4 focal plane array, KGPS gunner's sight with thermal imager, eyesafe laser rangefinder and dual field of view day TV camera and KBCS ballistic fire control computer.

 

[fatman17]

hey guys..
i think M1 ABRAMS r best in the world because of speed and the accuracy abrams r the best tanks so far and as far as al-khalid is concerns its pretty gud too but it can't match abrams....

test the M1 abrams v. al-khalid in the bahawalpur desert area and you will get your answer - which is superior!

 

[fatman17]

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identify this chinese mbt in pakistan!

 

[Enigma SIG]

The two nations have united and created some of the best tanks in world Al Khalid Tank according to the Eastern Analyst is better then any UK , US tank and it is capable to out duel 100 tanks to 1 Tank because we can see how these so called best tanks in world are garbage piles in a Afghanistan / Iraq so they can't be #1 or best tanks its just a MYTH

Im all in for fanboy stuff but this is too much unless you have the Incredible Hulk by your side

Personally i think the M1 Abrams and the Leopard 2A6 are the best tanks w.r.t. Firepower and Mobility

 

[Ratus Ratus]

Not being a mad turret head, but would not the decision on ‘best tank’ be based more on the general AO it was designed for.

Now throw in such issues as maintenance both in field and back in B Esch, reliability, gun and accuracy of sighting, armour and anti tank defences, e.g. reactive armour/bar armour needed.
Just to list a few.

Unless I am mistaken all tanks have pros and cons in any discussion so ho hum..

Just give me a tank for support that works in my AO with minimum issues for me to worry about.