yes........Not sure abt Gen Rana and Dunn but here is a whole plane of battle and of Battles fought within this Battle.
Indeed, there hadn't been any great tank battles in the Korean War, too mountainous, and Vietnam, the Congo were bush/guerrilla wars up to and including 1965, and these were the larger post-war conflicts. So Chawinda was the largest tank battle since the Second World War at that stage of post-war history by default. I don't understand the significance of the reference to "Dec. 16 syndrome." Perhaps you can explain it to me.
Key point not mentioned by many. Dec 16 is the anniversary of pakistani troops unconditionally surrendering to India in what was then East Pakistan....
I'm aware of the Pakistani armed forces' capitulation to the Indian armed forces in the then-East Pakistan (East Bengal) in Dec. 1971, but I fail to see its relevance to the Battle of Chawinda in Sept. 1965 or the 1965 Indo-Pak War as a whole, which pre-dates the 1971 Indo-Pak War by 6 years. Once more, perhaps you can explain it to me.
I haven't seen anything from PA on their official version. But IA's official account about '65 War has been declassified.Should be available if you searched the net.
Thanks, asad71. Yes, it is pretty straightforward finding the IA's official history of the 1965 Indo-Pak War. It is on PDF on several sites. It was published in 1992 by the MoD.
Interesting. Matters are getting more and more interesting. Thanks for this informative and insightful post, Capt.Popeye, and if the writings to which you refer are in military libraries, chances are I can get access to them. Thanks, again.
have you read the book "History of the Indo Pak War of 1965" by Lt Gen Mahmud Ahmed, it was formerly known as the "Myth of the 1965 Victory" so it was banned because it criticized our high command, so i think its worth a read IF you can find it
Not yet, but I will try to find it. Yes, governments don't like been told of their mistakes, particularly in war. But the fact remains that if one ignores one's errors nothing can be learnt from them. Thanks for the information, Jf Thunder.
relax relax. He is an indian armed forces guy in pdf. i think he is from navy. So its obvious he will try to shine his own light at it like because like i said before that none of the nations as a whole were mature enough. Now Pak has been matured in the military things but indians r still very narrow minded at this. Their official believes or things are more political then reality based which are just focused on military ops. Like Maj Agha Humayun's which is not politically influenced. People in military estt see at Maj Humayun's military focused work as a credible source not his political infested or politically involved sight in writing a particular article. The article of this battle by him that was published in defence journal is also an example since being part of the army itself his work was cleared by army herself before being published in a defence journal. So its not what this capt. popeye claims what it is.
No need that excerpt is printed in our olevels history book along with some articles of some colonel in PA regarding conflict at Rohiwal.
Really? That is interesting. Don't tell Rupert Murdoch (the founder of The Australian; when reporting the 1965 Indo-Pak War The Australian was in its first year of publication; next year 2015 will be its 50th anniversary) he'll probably want to charge a fee.
I see. Most information is helpful, though some items and sources of information are more helpful than others. Whether the information comes from a Pakistani or Indian source, it all adds to the big picture. I do appreciate this information and your insights into it, Umair; you have been very helpful since I joined PDF. So Capt.Popeye is an Indian Navy man and asad71 is a former Pak Army officer and a veteran of the 1965 war. Items of information like that make matters even more interesting. I would never have known had you not told me. Thanks, Umair.
