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The Baloch who is not missing

U.S. and NATO forces never gave Al Qaeda terrorists a trial so why should we give BLA terrorists a trial.

Because US and NATO do not run the risk of breaking their country by this bravado.

You do remember how you pushed the Bengalis to the wall in 1970, don't you?

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I agree with you.. Pakistani Army should be more brutal and put down these ungrateful Balochi nationalists with an iron fist.. More power to ISI and PA.. :yahoo:

This is one thing in which i support PA and ISI 1000%

As an Indian, I can only relish the sight of another Bangladesh in the making.

But as a human, I know that in the end, it's only the innocent men, women and children who end up paying the price.

While the supporters enjoy and chill in America.
 
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Because US and NATO do not run the risk of breaking their country by this bravado.

You do remember how you pushed the Bengalis to the wall in 1970, don't you?

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As an Indian, I can only relish the sight of another Bangladesh in the making.

But as a human, I know that in the end, it's only the innocent men, women and children who end up paying the price.

While the supporters enjoy and chill in America.
Not Gon'na Happen ,I know india have dispute with us but can india allow dispute with Iran..Never 13% oil resources ? Remember:)
 
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Because US and NATO do not run the risk of breaking their country by this bravado.

You do remember how you pushed the Bengalis to the wall in 1970, don't you?


Now a bharati going to give us a lesson on Benglis and 1971.

Bangladesh = surrounded by enemy india on all 4 corners, had more population than Pakistan in 1971, had no boundary with Pakistan, bengali uprising was because of a rigged elections and cyclone, indians said 3 million bengali hindus fled to india so they helped Bangladesh with their liberation, begalis made the vast majority of East Pakistan (now Bangladesh).

Balochistan = shares no boundary with enemy india, least populated province in Pakistan, attached to all other provinces of Pakistan, no rigged elections baloch nationalist party governing Balochistan today, 40% of Balochistan province is non-baloch, only 1% non-muslim population in Balochistan. Baloch = tribal people have more than 50 tribes and only 2 tribes giving problems.


You indians massacred Sikhs for demanding an Independent Khalistan in 1984, now don't cry over BLA.
 
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Now a bharati going to give us a lesson on Benglis and 1971.

Bangladesh = surrounded by enemy india on all 4 corners, had more population than Pakistan in 1971, had no boundary with Pakistan, bengali uprising was because of a rigged elections and cyclone, indians said 3 million bengali hindus fled to india so they helped Bangladesh with their liberation, begalis made the vast majority of East Pakistan (now Bangladesh).

Balochistan = shares no boundary with enemy india, least populated province in Pakistan, attached to all other provinces of Pakistan, no rigged elections baloch nationalist party governing Balochistan today, 40% of Balochistan province is non-baloch, only 1% non-muslim population in Balochistan. Baloch = tribal people have more than 50 tribes and only 2 tribes giving problems.


You indians massacred Sikhs for demanding an Independent Khalistan in 1984, now don't cry over BLA.
Even We are interested to resolve our matters with those two tribes too.. Eliminate them is easier but We have chosen Negociation which is right thing to Do.. Not like indians wat they did in Khalistan in Past ,Eliminated all those voices ..
 
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He was in jail for the last two years of his life. He could not even support his kid, for God's sake.

But anywyas, I know life must be great for you, sitting as you do in the US of A.

It would have been a different matter had the kid been you.

Wonder you can show such kind of sympathy for Kashmiris or people of those states where secessionist movements are active. But anyways hypocrisy and Indi go hand in hand.

I agree with you.. Pakistani Army should be more brutal and put down these ungrateful Balochi nationalists with an iron fist.. More power to ISI and PA.. :yahoo:

This is one thing in which i support PA and ISI 1000%

Done trolling clown. Now get lost.
 
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MISSING PERSONS SHOULD BE RETRIEVED! N ISI SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.


PN, you being a Baloch can give us some personal insight into the issue. What's your take on it?
Here are some of my observations on the issue:

1) These figures are overinflated.
2) A number of casualties attributed to the FC are actually guys killed as a result of personal or tribal enmity.
3) A number of the "Missing Persons" are actually insurgents who have gone to the mountains.
 
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No army operation in Balochistan: Gen Kayani



ISLAMABAD – Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani on Saturday said that there is no military operation being carried out in Balochistan and not a single soldier is involved in any operation in the province.

Gen Kayani said this while talking to the media persons during a reception arranged by the Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani in the honour of Sri Lankan President Mahinda Rajapaksa.

The rumours about military operation in Balochistan were mere propaganda while the Frontier Core (FC) was helping out the provincial government under the article 245. The situation that appeared after the murder of a Balochi leader Habib Jalib tells enough who was behind creating law and order situation, but unfortunately the blame has been put on to the army. To a question, he said Balochistan has a great strategic importance, particularly for the Central Asian States and Afghanistan.

Sources informed this scribe that insurgency is restricted to only three districts of Balochistan while major part of the province is in peace. Militant outfits, particularly Baloch Republican Army, Balochistan Liberation Front and Balochistan Liberation Army are actively involved in the insurgency. During last four years, insurgents have established various camps and arms are being supplied to them from Central Asian States, Afghanistan and India.

They said more than 400,000 residents of the province have been displaced while Kohlu garrison and many garrisons in Sui have been sealed, and about 70 percent schools too have been closed down throughout the province. Sources were of the opinion that a political vacuum is being severely felt and since the issue of Balochistan is political in nature, it must be resolved on political basis. The role of provincial police is limited and confined to particular areas while the general responsibility of security throughout the province has been put on the FC.

Due to insecurity and bad governance, development funds are also not being properly utilised, they added. They have further deplored that no serious efforts have been carried out so far to implement Aghaz-e Haqooq-e-Balochistan and residents have not bore any fruit from this support package.

However, despite the deteriorating law and order situation, various international firms are interested in working in the province but their primary demand is provision of security.

Agencies add: The worrisome situation in Balochistan is not restricted to local conditions and vested interests as foreign powers are behind it that want to advance their objectives in view of the location of the area, well-places sources have said.

They said the authorities failed to bridge the gulf, created after the army was called back from Balochistan, through political process. The law enforcement institutions were under pressure as they are neither well-educated nor adequately trained. Sixty five percent of the personnel are under-Matric and the security forces have been made target of well-organised and constant propaganda that they have established a state within the state.

The sources revealed that extremists are provided training in camps set up in Afghanistan and then sent to Balochistan with enough funds and arms. They said that Brahamdag Bugti, Harbiyar Marri, Javed Mengal and Dr Allah Nazar were leading four groups of miscreants. First three of them are presently in Europe while Dr Allah Nazar is active in the mountains of Khuzdar. They said the roots of all the problems in Balochistan are in Afghanistan.

They said the political decisions taken in the past have also added to the worsening of the situation. They pointed out that Chamlang coalmines are providing jobs to 75,000 people since 2006 but Khair Bakhsh Marri and Mir Biyar Marri are trying to close down the coalmine.

According to figures, 1,476 incidents of terrorism were reported in Balochistan in 2011. These included 36 bomb attacks, 68 explosions and 134 attacks on gas pipelines. There were 116 attacks at railways tracks and 20 on electricity installations during the year.

The sources further said that during the year 117 rockets were fired and 215 landmine exploded and 291 people were kidnapped, and only last month 38 security personnel were martyred. They said attacks on FC personnel have intensified in 2012.

They pointed out that law enforcement agencies were providing security for development projects, gas and electricity installations and railway tracks but they are not provided cooperation by the province’s security apparatus, even though most of the security in Quetta too is being taken care of by the FC.

The sources said that a former student leader Dr Allah Nazar was now a days active in hitherto most peaceful areas of Turbat and Makran. He is being provided funds and arms by the Indian intelligence agencies and whoever opposes his acts of terrorism is killed.

The sources pointed out that every member of the provincial assembly gets Rs250 million development funds in addition to those given to national assembly members and senators but there is no sign of any development in the province.

During the previous government, all the ‘B Areas’ were closed but the present government withdrew that decision and as a result today only 7% area is in ‘A’ category and remaining 93% is B Area, which is controlled by Levies. Personnel of the Levies are not trained and most of them work hand-in-hand with the militants. To add to the problems, political leaders in the province are least interested in the problems of the people and no one openly opposes the militants.

They said the proposal to talk with the estranged Baloch leaders some six months back has not been implemented and there are no basic facilities for the people. Seventy percent of schools in the province are closed and there is no doctor or medicine in the hospitals. In addition there are no assistant commissioners and other officers in Tehsils.

The sources said that influential people are behind acts of kidnapping and theft and when the security institutions take action against them, a well-orchestrated campaign is launched against them through political leaders and media. They pointed out that the situation is disturbed in only five districts out of thirty in the province.

The sources strongly denied involvement of security institutions in the kidnapping of people. They pointed out that in addition to US, India, Iran and Gulf states, European countries too were playing games to protect and advance their vested interests. They said there is no presence of Jandola and there has been no complaint from Iran in the last seven months in this connection.


No army operation in Balochistan: Gen Kayani | The Nation


Now this is the Chief of Army Staff saying this. My fellow Pakistanis, put your trust on the Pakistan army. Indians and other people from other countries hate the existence of Pakistan and hate that Pakistan is given such a strategic place on earth, if you care about Pakistan put your trust on the Pakistan Army. If there is no Pakistan, then there are no Pakistani wherever we are in the world.
 
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^^ It is true that there is no on going operation in Balochistan but what about the existing relationship between those pushed in mountains and unauthorized activities of abduction, target killing, extra judicial killing, threats of FC and levies to the Baloch nationalists?
 
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Here is another dimension to the situation in Balochistan; the ineffective provincial/Federal government:

WHAT is sadder than Jalil Reki’s story is how common a tale it is. The mutilated body of this Baloch activist was found nearly three years after he disappeared, events his father has described in searing detail for a report in this paper. Meanwhile, the interior minister was holding a ‘third force’ responsible for Balochistan’s troubles in the Senate on Friday. But external powers cannot conjure up an internal problem to exploit. Holding them responsible shifts the burden away from the state’s responsibility to answer two interconnected questions that have gone unaddressed for too long. First, who actually runs Balochistan? Certainly not the elected provincial government, which owns up to its own powerlessness. If the federal government does, the extrajudicial killings, enforced disappearances, terrorism, crime and lack of development point to an abysmal failure of governance on its part. And if the province is, as many Baloch and others feel, controlled by the military establishment, is the government doing anything to try to wrest away some of its power? For an administration that has recently been more than willing to take on Rawalpindi when threatened by its own removal, it is remarkably silent about the erosion of civilian authority in Balochistan.

Second is the question of a solution. Aghaz-i-Huqooq-i-Balochistan has proved that a top-down approach and a few development projects and jobs will not address the fundamental issues. The government could be doing a lot more just to kick-start a process of trying to find an answer, which will hinge on listening to what the Baloch want, rethinking what the government can provide, and genuinely attempting to move towards some middle ground. That would mean a broad-based, open-minded effort to hear from them, including separatists, rather than giving them what Islamabad thinks they need. It would mean partnering with politicians from across the spectrum, including the opposition, who might have relationships with Baloch leaders. And it would require a genuine effort, including pressuring the security establishment, to meet some of the key demands for justice and security.

But none of this will happen as long as politicians continue to suffer from the Bangladesh syndrome: believing that the concerns of certain Pakistanis are less important than those of others. The Awami League’s demands were unacceptable to West Pakistan’s political establishment at the time. In hindsight, after losing East Pakistan, they are no longer seen that way. The federal government needs to get its act together on the issue before we reach a point when, looking back, we wish we hadn’t been so dismissive of Balochistan’s demands.

@Dawn Editorial

so if the federal government can save its a$$ from the military might, they can force the military to get out of equation in Balochistan to settle things politically...
 
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^^ It is true that there is no on going operation in Balochistan but what about the existing relationship between those pushed in mountains and unauthorized activities of abduction, target killing, extra judicial killing, threats of FC and levies to the Baloch nationalists?

Didn't you read the article I posted above?

According to Pakistan's chief of army staff Indian intelligence agencies is using Afghanistan soil to send terrorists in Balcohistan arms and funds. And these terrorists threaten locals to join the insurgent groups. So let ISI do its job. It is in Pakistan's interests to get rid of these troublemakers who are being funded by bharat.
 
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so if the federal government can save its a$$ from the military might, they can force the military to get out of equation in Balochistan to settle things politically...

You just recount how many districts of Balchistan PM visited in past four years, and how many districts COAS visited.

PM visits:

1 Quetta
2 Gawadar

COAS visits

1 Quetta
2 Gawadar
3 Sui
4 Kohlo
5 Musakhel

Shows how interested and active the civilian govt is in this region. Military can be all bad and villain but that doesn't change the fact that it is the ineptness of Federal and provincial govt which is the biggest criminal here.
 
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Didn't you read the article I posted above?

According to Pakistan's chief of army staff Indian intelligence agencies is using Afghanistan soil to send terrorists in Balcohistan arms and funds. And these terrorists threaten locals to join the insurgent groups. So let ISI do its job. It is in Pakistan's interests to get rid of these troublemakers who are being funded by bharat.

so protect border, only 5% of Pakistan police is deployed in Balochistan, FC from its origin is not trained to deal with matters they are thrown in, they only mess up more and more... they were specially made to keep the British control..

the point is to strengthen the police and administrative institutions to tackle the situation..

its not job of border army to run the affairs of a province, their job is to secure the border from where the insurgency is taking place.

however, the government like I said is not willing to give Army a tough time in Balochistan, I wish it occur to President Zardari
 
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so protect border, only 5% of Pakistan police is deployed in Balochistan, FC from its origin is not trained to deal with matters they are thrown in, they only mess up more and more...

the point is to strengthen the police and administrative institutions to tackle the situation not the border army..


That requires more police and if we do increase the number of policemen in Balochistan, the HR guys start jumping over a Police Operation and Police State and similar terms they know nothing about.
 
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That requires more police and if we do increase the number of policemen in Balochistan, the HR guys start jumping over a Police Operation and Police State and similar terms they know nothing about.

Recruit the locals, job plus respect plus own rule..

Save army from useless defame it is earning just because of FC and levies
 
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Recruit the locals, job plus respect plus own rule.

save army useless defame it is earning just because of FC and levies


I cannot dispute this solution, it truly is the most effective.
The Army has increased the quota for Baloch Tribals in the Army and have been provided relaxations in education, physical structure, height, etc. This policy was employed with great effect during the Sindhudesh insurgency.
 
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