The Baloch issue taking a turn for the worst?

[Neo]

Pak blames India for problems in Balochistan

January 04, 2007

Pakistan has said it is facing "certain problems" in Balochistan and tribal areas because of the "Indian presence" in Afghanistan.

Confrontation on Pakistan's borders with India has de-escalated considerably during the last three years and the dialogue process has moved in the right direction with the two sides evaluating options to resolve Kashmir issue, Pakistan Foreign Minister Khurshid Kasuri said.

However, "we are facing certain problems in Balochistan and the tribal areas because of the Indian presence in Afghanistan," the Daily Times quoted him as saying during a recent cabinet briefing.

Kasuri's briefing to the cabinet was part of efforts to provide detailed information to ministers on foreign policy issues, it said. Meanwhile, the NWFP governor is likely to be invited to brief the cabinet on the outcome of the peace deal in South Waziristan and its replication in other tribal agencies.

The issue of infiltration as alleged by Afghan President Hamid Karzai and Pakistan's proposed civil nuclear and trade cooperation with China would also be discussed in the meeting, it said.

http://www.rediff.com/news/2007/jan/04pak.htm

 

[sword9]

there is main diference between indian sepration movments and that of balochistan.all sepration movments in india operate in side civil population because they have strong support in population more of attacks on IA are happen in urban arias.how possible for IA to use heavy weaponary in city like sirinagar ,darjiling etc. that whay 90% victoms of IA are civils.

The main reason is that the insurgency is localised in the Kashmir valley, in the rest of the region of Punch/ Rajouri, they live in the wilderness, and even then the IA does not use heavy weapons.

The PA has shown scant regard of civilian life and has used arty even in villages since. So lets not get poetic.

in case of balochistan SPG[sardari protection gang]have no sympathy among civil population because they know very well these paid gangestors not fight for them but for thier mastores.so SPG operate in none populated zones like mountians. thier main actions are blowing up pipe lines electric polls or some single security vehicale.in this case why PA put in risk life of thier soldiers.

Then how do you justify the sporadic insurgencies of the Baloch since 1947? If there was no peoples support then it would have died like the Khalistan movement.

 

[sword9]

Pak blames India for problems in Balochistan

January 04, 2007

Pakistan has said it is facing "certain problems" in Balochistan and tribal areas because of the "Indian presence" in Afghanistan.
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Neo,
Its quid pro quo. Since a conventional Indo-Pak war will hurt our economy, hence, we reply in the same coin as Pak does in Kashmir.

Now look at it strategically, PA is 500,000 strong (regular troops), with 80,000 in NWFP, and the rest leaning on the esatern borders. The Baloch issue should pull in 100,000 plus troops in that sector, leaving about 300,000. That is too small a number to be of any meaningful threat to India. Thereby reducing the chances of a full blown war in the sub-continent. The US is happy and we feel vindicated.

The nuke factor is a dud in the Indo-Pak context, due to India's cabability of a response that will cease the existance of Pakistan.

Its only check and not checkmate, all this can change if civilians come to power in Pakistan and seek a reasonable solution to the Kashmir issue. The only one acceptable to India is convert the LOC to IB. We do not want your part of Kashmir.

 

[EagleEyes]

Neo,
Its quid pro quo. Since a conventional Indo-Pak war will hurt our economy, hence, we reply in the same coin.

What are the Indians doing in Afghanistan? Peace-keeping or terrorism sponsoring?

 

[sword9]

What are the Indians doing in Afghanistan? Peace-keeping or terrorism sponsoring?

Webby, we are doing same as PA - helping a "freedom struggle".

 

[Spring Onion]

Webby, we are doing same as PA - helping a "freedom struggle".

Yeh Nehro and Gandhi draged the Balochistan issue to United Nations (UN) and get passed a resolution so you are moraly bound to support them.

 

[lulldapull]

my contention on this issue is pretty clear.

1) Return Balochistan to Iran.
2) Return NWFP to the Pukhtoons of Afghanistan.
3) The rest of the Indian ppl can rejoin India in happy matrimony.

Jidher say bichhrray thay...udher he waapas!



What else could be better? End of probelms.

Because the Baloch sure as hell don't want to live in Punjabastan. no God damn way! No more.

 

[Spring Onion]

my contention on this issue is pretty clear.

1) Return Balochistan to Iran.
2) Return NWFP to the Pukhtoons of Afghanistan.
3) The rest of the Indian ppl can rejoin India in happy matrimony.

Jidher say bichhrray thay...udher he waapas!



What else could be better? End of probelms.

Because the Baloch sure as hell don't want to live in Punjabastan. no God damn way! No more.

Why not to return the entire Subcontinent to Britain the problem will be solved

 

[lulldapull]

Why not to return the entire Subcontinent to Britain the problem will be solved

No kidding. They are ones who caused this problem. You are getting smarter, despite living in Peshawar.

 

[Neo]

Neo,
Its quid pro quo. Since a conventional Indo-Pak war will hurt our economy, hence, we reply in the same coin as Pak does in Kashmir.

Now look at it strategically, PA is 500,000 strong (regular troops), with 80,000 in NWFP, and the rest leaning on the esatern borders. The Baloch issue should pull in 100,000 plus troops in that sector, leaving about 300,000. That is too small a number to be of any meaningful threat to India. Thereby reducing the chances of a full blown war in the sub-continent. The US is happy and we feel vindicated.

The nuke factor is a dud in the Indo-Pak context, due to India's cabability of a response that will cease the existance of Pakistan.

Its only check and not checkmate, all this can change if civilians come to power in Pakistan and seek a reasonable solution to the Kashmir issue. The only one acceptable to India is convert the LOC to IB. We do not want your part of Kashmir.

Sir,

I'm glad to see that you finally admit Indian involvement in Afghanistan.

I'm not sure if PA would allocate 100.000 men to Balochistan, the problem is with some tribes which are already being dealt with.
Fencing and mining the border would minimise infilteration from Southern Afghanistan, while new equippement such as P-3C Awacs and other surveilliance system on order.

Unlike Kashmir, Balochistan is a domestic issue. Once the cross border issue is solved we'll regain full control of Balochistan.
Its a temporary thing.

 

[Awesome]

Because the Baloch sure as hell don't want to live in Punjabastan. no God damn way! No more.

You mean the wadera and sardars don't want to live with Pakistan.

 

[Spring Onion]

. You are getting smarter, despite living in Peshawar.

and you even couldnt despite living in Australia

 

[alamgir]

my contention on this issue is pretty clear.

1) Return Balochistan to Iran.
2) Return NWFP to the Pukhtoons of Afghanistan.
3) The rest of the Indian ppl can rejoin India in happy matrimony.

Jidher say bichhrray thay...udher he waapas!



What else could be better? End of probelms.

Because the Baloch sure as hell don't want to live in Punjabastan. no God damn way! No more.

my dear LULL why so much hate for punjab . if am not wrong then your past belong to a mistake of punjabi jutt. which not mean to start hating whole punjab.this is crime of single person i know your feeling but beliave me majority of punjabies not crupt,they always respect thier risponsibilties in such type of cases.LULL past is past we can,t change look at futur which is in your hands

 

[vnomad]

I'm glad to see that you finally admit Indian involvement in Afghanistan.

None of us can say for sure, but I'm guessing there would be some involvement.

Unlike Kashmir, Balochistan is a domestic issue. Once the cross border issue is solved we'll regain full control of Balochistan.
Its a temporary thing.

The RAW will probably do its best to prove you wrong. How one looks at Kashmir depends on which side of the border on resides in. Sponsoring separatists in Balochistan can be justified very easily if you live in India.

 

[Bull]

there is main diference between indian sepration movments and that of balochistan.all sepration movments in india operate in side civil population because they have strong support in population more of attacks on IA are happen in urban arias.how possible for IA to use heavy weaponary in city like sirinagar ,darjiling etc. that whay 90% victoms of IA are civils. in case of balochistan SPG[sardari protection gang]have no sympathy among civil population because they know very well these paid gangestors not fight for them but for thier mastores.so SPG operate in none populated zones like mountians. thier main actions are blowing up pipe lines electric polls or some single security vehicale.in this case why PA put in risk life of thier soldiers.

Darjeeling..??
What proof do you have to say they have support fo the population.If they had support of the population,time and again these people wouldnt have gone to vote under Indian constituion to elect their representatives.

ell you know how much anger and protests happened in Pakistan when Bugti was killed.And you are telling me,he has no support.