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The Anti-Islam movie made by a Dutch lawyer has been released

although this is not meant to the dutch here, muslims have the right to fight back if they are threatened. whether you classify it as terrorism or resistance, muslims could care less. islam is not only seen as a religion for muslims, but a way of life, their state, and their honour. if you have a problem with that, suck it up and get used to it because you will be seeing a lot more of that in the future.
 
^^^Sigh. Self-fulfilling prophecy.

Having said that, there are about 2 dozen films about Christianity that are far, far more provocative.

This one is just a bunch of recycled viral videos....the Lion King is more controversial than this.
 
So guys how can we make a video that will show the people around the world that this movie has misinterpreted Islam.What ca we start by doing.:police::pakistan:
 
SP,

You better have a good answer to this! :mod:


Yes i do infact:

The western cultures believes the all the hatred starts from the madrasas. So, if you show images of closing madrasas or show reforms on madrasas that would be persive to the western culture that moderate muslim is coming back.
 
and by the way if you asking me for specific madrasa, i do not no any, but by living in American i can tell you this is what the american people persive that hatred is started from madrasa. And if you want i can provide link to what i just said.
 
Well SPI I also live in America(NJ) and to tell you the truth some people here don't even know about madrassas.

What we have to show the people is the context following and before the text shown in the movie. Obviously it will make sense in the end.:pakistan::pakistan:
 
Well SPI I also live in America(NJ) and to tell you the truth some people here don't even know about madrassas.

What we have to show the people is the context following and before the text shown in the movie. Obviously it will make sense in the end.:pakistan::pakistan:

If you look at this movie, the author has sited lots of mula's speaches, maybe to show a better light on islam, we need to show moderate mula or mula preaching true Islam.
 
I can't believe you guys would actually post the link to watch the movie. All your doing is supporting the movie by watching it. And all these "protests" that people are making in Muslim nations is actually making the movie more popular.

*Excuse me for using the term "movie". I cannot think of a demeaning word right now.

Now I'll be off to Wikipedia to try and get these Dutch a#@s to stop making the movie sound true. :cheers:
 
and by the way if you asking me for specific madrasa, i do not no any, but by living in American i can tell you this is what the american people persive that hatred is started from madrasa. And if you want i can provide link to what i just said.

This is just stupid and absurd. The madrasa is an educational facility, it is like a school actually it is a school. The one special feature about a madrasa is that it has many poor kids. These kids are fed and everything for free. Americans need to do research before believing what they hear on T.V. because half of the stuff in the American media is bias and frankly just not true.
 
UN chief slams “offensively anti-Islamic” video, appeals for calm

UNITED NATIONS, March 28 (APP): UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon Friday strongly condemned the Internet broadcast of a video made by the Dutch politician Geert Wilders, describing it as “offensively anti-Islamic,” while calling on those upset by the film to remain calm.
In a statement issued by his spokesperson after last night’s airing of the film, entitled Fitna, Ban said “there is no justification for hate speech or incitement to violence. The right of free expression is not at stake here”.

“I acknowledge the efforts of the Dutch Government to stop the broadcast of this film and appeal for calm to those understandably offended by it. Freedom must always be accompanied by social responsibility.”

The Secretary-General stressed that the United Nations stands at the locus of global efforts to advance mutual respect, understanding and dialogue between different cultures, religions and groups.

“We must also recognize that the real fault line is not between Muslim and Western societies, as some would have us believe, but between small minorities of extremists, on different sides, with a vested interest in stirring hostility and conflict.”

In 2005 Spain and Turkey established the Alliance of Civilizations under the auspices of the UN to promote better cross-cultural relations around the world, and last year Ban appointed the former Portuguese president Jorge Sampaio as the High Representative for the Alliance.

Associated Press Of Pakistan - UN chief slams “offensively anti-Islamic” video, appeals for calm
 
STATEMENT BY PRIME MINISTER BALKENENDE
(Home - Government.nl)

Date: Thu, Mar 27, 2008

'On behalf of the Dutch government, I would like to respond to the online film by Mr Wilders.

The film shows images of violent acts and holds Islam and the Koran responsible for them. The government condemns such acts and those who commit them.

The film equates Islam with violence. We reject this interpretation. The vast majority of Muslims reject extremism and violence. In fact, the victims are often also Muslims.

We therefore regret that Mr Wilders has released this film. We believe it serves no purpose other than to cause offence. But feeling offended must never be used as an excuse for aggression and threats. The government is heartened by the initial restrained reactions of Dutch Muslim organisations.

Muslims, Christians and people of other convictions can easily live together in peace. The problem is not religion, but misuse of religion to sow hatred and intolerance. That is why we are calling for respect for everyone's deepest convictions.

We are aware of the concerns and the sentiments about this film in the international Muslim community. We have recently spoken with many people at home and abroad to promote mutual understanding. We will continue to follow this course.

The Dutch government stands for a society in which freedom and respect go hand in hand. Such a society demands dedication and commitment. We oppose extremism. Anyone who breaks the law is dealt with firmly. Let us solve problems by working together. Let us reach out to others and build confidence and trust. Let us conquer prejudice. We shall surely succeed.'

REACTION BY DUTCH MUSLIMS

Dutch News Agency ANP reports that the 'National Comittee of Maroccans (LBM) has said to be 'very relieved' now that they have seen the movie by Geert Wilders. "The concerns that we and the Dutch society had for riots are considerably lower" said mr Brahim Bourzik. According to Bourzik this is also thanks to the efforts of the Dutch Government, "specifically the efforts made by Prime Minister Balkenende and Minister Vogelaar". Bourzik also said that Wilders apparently did think very well about his movie. "it is within the borders of the law". Like the LBM had promised before, the Maroccan Mosques will open their doors for all Dutch people on Friday. They will hold a press conference in the El Ouma Mosque in Amsterdam on Friday morning.

ANP also reports that Mustafa Biltunku of the Eyüp Sultan-mosque in Amsterdam, has not seen the movie. "Don't pay attention to it", the Turkish Iman said. "As long as we do, it will only become more important, while it is not worth it. That is wat I advise my people".

Imam Ali Kartal of the Mescid-i Aksa Mosque (Milli Görüs) in Utrecht said that he will not pay attention to the film in his sermon on Friday. "We should not be dancing in the garden of Wilders. The man is not worth it. Also when the mosque-attendants have questions, I will advise them not to react.". Kartal has only seen short parts of the film. "That he wanted to make an anti-Islam film, was clear to everyone".

Former 'head-Iman' of MMilli Görüs, M. Hulusi ünye, also was not very impresssed. "This kind of reaction we have seen since the revelation of the Qu'ran. The Qu'ran and the Islam are big enough to resist this".

ANP reports that Qu'uran expert Shayk Fawaz has called on Muslims for calm reactions. He did that in a speech in Arabac for hundreds of Muslims in Roermond. "We should not go and throw stones at windows after this film, because that is exactly what Mr Wilders wants" said Fawas at the debate with Christians that was organized by the Salafist youth organization Alfeth. Fawaz said that he has taken Qu'uran verses out of the right context.


REACTION BY DUTCH POLITICS

Government coalition parties:
CDA (Christian Democrats)

"De film is villainous and unnecessarily hurtful". The Christian Democrats had already called on Wilders not to produce the film.

PvdA (Social Democrats)

Marriette Hamer, vice-Partyleader said: "Wilders is seeding fear. The images are well-known, but the way he puts them together is deliberately meant to seed fear. Legally, it is within the law. I hope that the Dutch will be commonsensical enough to not be letting them drift apart". The PvdA is hoping to debate mr Wilders soon and appreciates the fact that Wilders has said he is willing to, "because so far he has refused".

CU (Christian Union)

"The impression is made that every Muslim uses violence, which fortunately is not the case. Most Muslims reject the mis-use of Islam and appreciate the fact that such abuse is not permitted in The Netherlands"

Opposition Parties:
SP (Socialist Party)

The Socialist Party said that they had seen "nothing new" in the Film Fitna. 'Most of the images and newspaper clippings are nothing new. Wilders only recognizes one kind of Islam: the Islam of the fundamentalists. In that respect, he is one and the same with the people he says he wants to fight with".

VVD (Conservative Liberals)

Partyleader Mark Rutte said the film was a 'missed chance'. "he had the opportunity to present solutions to a public of millions for problems of radical Islam and integration. Instead, he chose to show old images of terrorists and criminal acts. Parliamentarians should not be digging in archives, but work towards solving problems. That is what we are being paid for".

D66 (Liberal Democrats)

,,Wilders tries to explain a world religion in 16 minutes and connects in an inimitable way fascism, communism and Islam", says Alexander Pechtold, Leader of D66. He appreciates that Wilders is willing to engage in a debate with Muslims, but he would like to engage him in a parliamentary debate. "I have been asking for such a debate for the last year, but he keeps on evading it."
 
The myth of the madrassa
Muslims and terrorism
Peter Bergen and Swati PandeyPublished: WEDNESDAY, JUNE 15, 2005

WASHINGTON: It is one of the widespread assumptions of the war on terrorism that the Muslim religious schools known as madrassas, catering to families that are often poor, are graduating students who become terrorists.

Last year, Secretary of State Colin Powell denounced madrassas in Pakistan and several other countries as breeding grounds for "fundamentalists and terrorists." A year earlier, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld had queried in a leaked memorandum, "Are we capturing, killing or deterring and dissuading more terrorists every day than the madrassas and the radical clerics are recruiting, training and deploying against us?"

While madrassas may breed fundamentalists who have learned to recite the Koran in Arabic by rote, such schools do not teach the technical or linguistic skills necessary to be an effective terrorist. Indeed, there is little or no evidence that madrassas produce terrorists capable of attacking the West.

And as a matter of national security, the United States doesn't need to worry about Muslim fundamentalists with whom it may disagree, but about terrorists who want to attack it.

We examined the educational backgrounds of 75 terrorists behind some of the most significant recent terrorist attacks against Westerners. We found that a majority of them are university-educated, often in technical subjects like engineering.

In the four attacks for which the most complete information about the perpetrators' educational levels is available - the World Trade Center bombing in 1993, the attacks on the American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998, the Sept. 11 attacks and the Bali bombings in 2002 - 53 percent of the terrorists had either attended university or had received a university degree. As a point of reference, only 52 percent of Americans have been to university. The terrorists in our study thus appear, on average, to be as well educated as many Americans.

The 1993 World Trade Center attack involved 12 men, all of whom had a college education. The 9/11 pilots, as well as the secondary planners identified by the 9/11 commission, all attended Western universities, a prestigious and elite endeavor for anyone from the Middle East.

Indeed, the lead 9/11 pilot, Mohamed Atta, had a degree from a German university in, of all things, urban preservation, while the operational planner of 9/11, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, studied engineering in North Carolina. We also found that two-thirds of the 25 hijackers and planners involved in 9/11 had attended university.

Of the 75 terrorists we investigated, only nine had attended madrassas, and all of those played a role in one attack - the Bali bombing. Even in this instance, however, five university-educated "masterminds" helped to shape the Bali plot.

Like the view that poverty drives terrorism - a notion that countless studies have debunked - the idea that madrassas are incubating the next generation of terrorists offers the soothing illusion that desperate, ignorant automatons are attacking the West rather than university graduates, as is often the case. In fact, two of the terrorists in our study had doctorates from Western universities, and two others were working toward Ph.Ds.

A World Bank-financed study that was published in April raises further doubts about the influence of madrassas in Pakistan, the country where the schools were thought to be the most influential and the most virulently anti-American.

Contrary to the numbers cited in the report of the Sept. 11 commission, and to a blizzard of newspaper reports that 10 percent of Pakistani students study in madrassas, the study's authors found that fewer than 1 percent do so.

While madrassas are an important issue in education and development in the Muslim world, they are not and should not be considered a threat to the United States. The tens of millions of dollars spent every year by the United States through the State Department, the Middle East Partnership Initiative, and the Agency for International Development to improve education and literacy in the Middle East and South Asia should be applauded as the development aid it is and not as the counterterrorism effort it cannot be.

(Peter Bergen, the author of "Holy War Inc.," is a fellow at the New America Foundation. Swati Pandey is a research associate there.)
The myth of the madrassa - International Herald Tribune
 
this may shock some pakistani's here, but the idea of universities, law school, and medical school was based on madrassas. as we know the crusaders invaded the Holy Land, they accumulated a vast collection of knowledge that was translated into Latin.

After seeing madrassas, Christians who returned to their lands estabilished religious schools called universities(YES it was a religious thing). eventually, over time, universities became a secular institution for the upper class of Europe.
 

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